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Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:14 pm

Norwegian DY B787 interior ( First illustrations )

In this Norwegian article you can see some the first images of what the interior of the B787 interior for Norwegian DY will look like:

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/03/23/t...norwegian/fly/dreamliner/20784500/

( You can click on most of the pictures and get a bigger one. There are 5 pictures in the article )


Norwegian DY B787's will have 291 seats. 32 to of them at the front will be in a different section with bigger seats and legroom.


The first aircraft has a planned delivery in early 2013 and another one shortly after. The next ones will arrive in 2014 and 2015. The company has ordered a total of 6 B787's , 3 of wich are fuly owned and 3 that is leased.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:18 pm

Looks rather dull. And with no business class I guess they go after the tourists
 
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Looks rather dull. And with no business class I guess they go after the tourists

Businessclass ? :

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
. 32 to of them at the front will be in a different section with bigger seats and legroom.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 2):


Businessclass ? :



Nope 2-3-2 with recliners in a 787 is more like premium economy
 
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Fri Mar 23, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 3):
Nope 2-3-2 with recliners in a 787 is more like premium economy

   Better seats doesn't necessarily constitute Business Class. Sounds like level of service will remain unchanged, so I'd say this is definitely a Y+.
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:44 pm

I think the interior looks a bit pale, almost a bit sterile. Buy maybe the moodlighting and entertainment system will help ? I'm not sure the black leather interior of their B737 800 would have looked good for their upcomming B787's as it does for their B737 800*s

Either way, exciting times ahead for Norwegian aviation.
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:12 pm

Will it have PTVs? Will the on board product be any different than their current one?
 
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 5):

I think the look of the LEDS will accent the gray/white seatbacks very nicely during flight. That being said, the black covers are definitely more appealing stand-alone.
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Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:35 pm

Y looks boring and uncomfortable with its 3-3-3. I will opt for the 2-3-2 seats, which are still boring, but at least have only one horrific middle seat (actually in Y+/J it is probably OK)
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 6):

Will it have PTVs? Will the on board product be any different than their current one?

Well, looking at the pic of the section between the two cabins, one can see that on the far side, the seat (which will be in front of another seat), has no ptv. However, I think it is likely it has just been omitted as there hasn't been any announcement. I really hope they do get some good IFE.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012 3:36 am

I can't imagine that there won't be IFE onboard. It would be stupid of DY to omit such a system, especially on their longhaul product.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:25 am

291 seats, is that a record? ANA and JAL have under 200 seats   As cramped as the 332s that some fly from Sweden to asia..
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:47 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 11):
291 seats, is that a record? ANA and JAL have under 200 seats

You cannot compare full service carriers offering a topclass product like JL and NH to a new DY longhaul product. DY is a LCC, and is after a different public.

291 a new record? Hmm,... for the 787-8 probably it is the most dense seating for the moment. I wonder which cabins ArkeFly from the Netherlands will get now after seeing the DY layout.

The greyish colours are the same boring setting what we see on the new AY cabin... I really miss some colour.
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:50 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 11):
As cramped as the 332s that some fly from Sweden to asia..

The 787 8 is the same size as an A330 200  
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:56 am

Novair stuffs 299 seats on a A332   I flew a cheap ticket to Thailand once, but my knees got really sore after that flight. My first and only LCC long flight..
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:02 am

Minimalist at best is about all you can say about this interior, but in a way thats all they need.

White seats will likely not look that good after a couple of years though with all the wear and tear.

One thing though is this shows just how things really have not changed with the 787. It still looks like any other plane on the inside, with larger windows the only innovative thing that can be seen. The more we progress the more we still seem stuck with the same overall product many years down the track.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:13 am

Looks minimalistic and, hmmmm, dense   

But hey, Norwegian is a LCC and their product reflects that, so I guess that's fair enough.

In some way it's more honest than "full service" carriers with their cramped un-attractive Y10 seating on 77W.

Best of luck to Norwegian and their longhaul operations.
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:13 pm

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
White seats

Looks like they are light grey   But I agree , they will proabably notice the expence of the drycleaning after a while ...


Please remember that this is just an ilustration. I am pretty sure that the cabin will have both IFE and WIFI onboard. For all passengers or those who want to pay extra for it.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:20 pm

It's hard to see the pitch from these photos. And we were all expecting a 3-3-3 config, especially when an airline like QR will use 3-3-3.

291 seats is quite a bit more than NH and JAL, but seeing as DY won't have business class, but rather something that looks like Y+, I'm not surprised at this number. And if DY can deliver on their promise of intercontinental returns for 2000KR, I don't think anyone has the right to complain!

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Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 18):
And if DY can deliver on their promise of intercontinental returns for 2000KR, I don't think anyone has the right to complain!

Don't get your hopes up too high   There no doubt will be tickets for this price but I'm guessing that most of the 291 passengers will pay a higher price. That is'nt to say that it won't be lower than for instance SAS, but I doubt it will be as low as 2000 return for most people.

As long as there will be IFE onboard and possibility of buying food, I am not gonna complain. I am used to flying economy also over long distances, so I don't think this will be any worse than flying a regular economy seated flight.

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Sat Mar 24, 2012 4:50 pm

Gentlemen, before we continue nagging about the confined space at Norwegian IC, let's first see what is offered out of the box today:



It's the A330 with 3+3+3 seating that offers the least seat width, and Air Asia X flies the A333 in this configuration.

On second place from the bottom comes the Boeing 777 with 3+4+3 seating. Well, who do you think flies with this type of seating? Here are seven examples: Air France, Air New Zealand, ANA, Austrian, Emirates, JAL and TAM. All these are more and less legacy carriers.

In other words, Norwegian IC hasn't gone for the highest density seating in their economy part of the 787 - but is way better than the worst in the business.

Now let's continue with Norwegian "business" cabin of the Norwegian IC 787, the seat and aisle width there is more and less identical to the SAS Economy+ seating (2+3+2) in their long haul fleet. With that, it's easy to says Norwegian IC will offer the front of the cabin to people that want extra space both sidewise and lengthwise.

Since the pictures are Autocad drawings and not photos, you can't see what seat manufaturer that will be use or the model they will use. Since Norwegian now is installing Recaro seats in their 738, it would be a safe guess to say it will be the same manufaturer for the Norwegian IC seats. I don't think I'm way off if I guess the CL 3620 for the brunt of the seats.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:01 pm

It looks like a 777 interior. Never mind let's wave our flag anyway.

Is any airline hoping to use their 787 for more than just a passenger bus? Where's the luxury?
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY B787 Interior ( First Illustrations )

Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:56 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 21):
Where's the luxury

Luxury is really a niche market today and not something to base an airline on.
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting ln-kgl (Reply 20):
Well, who do you think flies with this type of seating? JAL

To be fair, JAL is only 3-4-3 on their domestic aircraft, where the seat comfort is the same as 737s which operate similar 1-2 hour flights throughout the world. I believe that your inclusion of JAL (and ANA come to think of it) is not in keeping with the (otherwise valid) point you made.

JAL International Configuration
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/conf/777.html

http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/conf/777er.html

JAL Domestic Configuration
http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/conf/773.html

http://www.jal.co.jp/en/aircraft/conf/772.html

ANA also only use 3-4-3 on their domestic aircraft.

[Edited 2012-03-24 15:51:24]
 
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting ditzyboy (Reply 23):
To be fair, JAL is only 3-4-3 on their domestic aircraft, where the seat comfort is the same as 737s which operate similar 1-2 hour flights throughout the world. I believe that your inclusion of JAL (and ANA come to think of it) is not in keeping with the (otherwise valid) point you made.

I didn't say anything about what share or what type of operation these 777s were used for, just that JAL flew a number of 777 with 3+4+3 seating. If you compare the seat width of the 777s with 3+4+3 seating with a 737 with 3+3 seating, they are identical. Air New Zealand too fly with a mix of 3+4+3 and 3+3+3 and the highest density you'll find on their newest 777-300ER.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting Dahlgardo (Reply 16):
But hey, Norwegian is a LCC

Not really sure we can call Norwegian a lowcost carrier. It's not like it's Ryanair ...
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:40 am

Great stuff!

This plane is perfect for offering a variety of long haul flights at low cost!
I think Norwegian is the most progressive airline in Northern Europe right now!

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Sun Mar 25, 2012 9:42 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 25):
Not really sure we can call Norwegian a lowcost carrier. It's not like it's Ryanair ...

What's the difference then? I mean, Norwegian is also not KLM, Biman or Emirates. Biman is not KLM or Emirates but falls in the same category..
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:35 am

One major difference between Ryanair and Norwegian is that Norwegian offers transfer tickets while Ryanair don't. In other words Norwegian has hubs and Ryanair has only airports where they base aircraft.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 25):

Norwegian is an LCC, Ryanair would be an ULCC. Norwegian does not operate like a traditional legacy carrier.

It has some perks over FR, but it is still intended in catering for budget travelers, and not business travelers.

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Sun Mar 25, 2012 6:14 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 29):
It has some perks over FR, but it is still intended in catering for budget travelers, and not business travelers.

There aren't large difference between SAS and Norwegian on domestic flights in Norway. Many companies have been cost-conscious for years now, and the result is almost a 50/50 sharing of the business market.
 
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Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:10 pm

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 30):
There aren't large difference between SAS and Norwegian on domestic flights in Norway. Many companies have been cost-conscious for years now, and the result is almost a 50/50 sharing of the business market.

I agree, but LCC isn't necessarily just low air fares, but it is low operating costs. DY has quite a bit lower, be this salaries of pilots and cabin crew, etc.

I think the case is more that SAS is trying to offer low fares, and is almost becoming an LCC themselves. But there are some key differences, such as free baggage, loyalty program with partners and lounges, intercontinental business class, etc.

The fact that DY is hoping to offer return fares for KR2000 suggests it will fly intercontinentaly as an LCC. I wouldn't be surprised that meals will be purchased on board, baggage has to be paid for, etc.

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Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:56 pm

I'm certain that Norwegian IC will follow the Norwegian Air Shuttle model with BOB, pay for the baggage you want to bring with you and pay to reservate a seat at the same time as ordering the tickets (and not wait until 22 hours before departure and still end up with the d..... middle seat). You forgot to mention one area CXfirst that will be very different between SAS and Norwegian, and that's the size of the administation. SAS is still struggling with the aftermath from their heydays and the ship is both difficult to control and far from being nimble. Norwegian IC will not be an alternative for the precious few flying in front, but will attack the fundation for any intercontinental operator - the tourist class. Norwegian IC may well surprise us with a feed system at the non Scandinavian end of the IC flights.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:06 am

Quite like the interior , Im sure it will look even better in real .
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 2:17 am

Looks dense? Yes indeed. You're talking about an LCC here. Don't expect to be overwhelmed. Expect it to be rather cheap. About the colors, if that bird is going to take me on a 10 hour flight, I'm mightily happy they didn't let some 60's hippie with "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" on repeat throw the color buckets.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 31):
The fact that DY is hoping to offer return fares for KR2000 suggests it will fly intercontinentaly as an LCC

We all know that it will only be a certain limited amount of seats with this price

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 34):
Looks dense? Yes indeed. You're talking about an LCC here. Don't expect to be overwhelmed.

If you look a few post up, you will see that many legacy carriers are flying even dencer and that there is actually a little bit more space in a B787 in such a set up than an A330
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 35):
If you look a few post up, you will see that many legacy carriers are flying even dencer and that there is actually a little bit more space in a B787 in such a set up than an A330

I saw   It still looks dense to me. Not overly, extremely dense - but dense. I didn't mean that in a negative way at all, it's really just a fact that you're not gonna fly intercontinentally for 2000KR fully reclineable chairs and personal space  
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:38 am

Quoting airbuseric (Reply 12):
291 a new record? Hmm,... for the 787-8 probably it is the most dense seating for the moment. I wonder which cabins ArkeFly from the Netherlands will get now after seeing the DY layout.

JQ has said they intend to fly '300 seat' 787's, with what will be a very similar product... QF domestic will have the same configuration as well (currently up to 314 on the A332's...)
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:20 am

Quoting fiscal (Reply 8):
Y looks boring and uncomfortable with its 3-3-3.

It looks like most carriers, except for JL and NH, will be using 3-3-3 on the 787s. AI and UA for example, will be using a 3-3-3 set-up in Y. So better get used to it  
Quoting someone83 (Reply 3):
Nope 2-3-2 with recliners in a 787 is more like premium economy

It looks a bit like the business class that carriers used to have in the 1990s. Some 50" pitch, quite wide recliner seat. It certainly looks more spacious than premium economy seats like found on SK, BA, AZ etc, and certainly it's more comfortable than the 'premium economy' zones that are effectively Y with more seat pitch (KL, DL, UA).

Personally, I think it can be a good move. Currently, the gap between Y/Y+ and C is very big, both comfort-wise as fare-wise. Also, when flying Y, you are basically 'obliged' to pay for all kind of luxuries like expensive food, more miles, more luggage allowance, whereas one might basically just want a more comfortable seat.
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:45 pm

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 36):
it's really just a fact that you're not gonna fly intercontinentally for 2000KR fully reclineable chairs and personal space

It has never been said that you would be able to fly business for 2000 NOK return      
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:16 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 6):
Will it have PTVs?

If they fit IFE at all, it will have PTV's. There are only two IFE systems on offer on the 787 (Panasonic and Thales) and they're both PTV systems.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 15):
One thing though is this shows just how things really have not changed with the 787. It still looks like any other plane on the inside, with larger windows the only innovative thing that can be seen.

Speak for yourself. In addition to the huge windows, I see a cabin where I can walk almost side to side (including the entire center section) without ducking at all and I'm 6' 2". I see pivot bins so big my seatmates and I can all stuff a rollaboard in there. And, although I can't "see" it, I see denser and more humid air.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:52 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 40):
If they fit IFE at all, it will have PTV's. There are only two IFE systems on offer on the 787 (Panasonic and Thales) and they're both PTV systems.

What about a wireless delivery system, which passengers can pay to access on their own devices (or hire one)? This is a LCC we're talking about here, they don't want to spend enormous amounts of money on a built-in IFE system.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:25 am

Quoting joost (Reply 38):
It looks like most carriers, except for JL and NH, will be using 3-3-3 on the 787s. AI and UA for example, will be using a 3-3-3 set-up in Y.

And LOT will also configure it's Y-section in a 3-3-3 set-up, as can be seen on this pictures.

Interesting enough, the 2-3-2 Y+ section in the LOT aircraft looks an awful lot like the premier section on DY:

http://www.lot.com/nl/en/web/newlot/dreamliner-787
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:37 am

I am not a big friend of greys. Its the colour of the ones too afraid to decide.

[Edited 2012-03-27 02:37:29]
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:59 am

Quoting joost (Reply 42):
Interesting enough, the 2-3-2 Y+ section in the LOT aircraft looks an awful lot like the premier section on DY:

They are identical - except for the colours and materials. Since we are talking about the colours - the light grey colour to the seats will be like a silver screen for the multi coloured LED roof lighting.
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:56 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 41):
What about a wireless delivery system, which passengers can pay to access on their own devices (or hire one)? This is a LCC we're talking about here, they don't want to spend enormous amounts of money on a built-in IFE system.

That's certainly an option (and probably more consistent with an LCC) but it's something Norwegian would have to work out directly with a different IFE vendor. Right now, there's no system of that type offered by Boeing on the 787. Given that Norwegian is a GoldCare operator, that seems unlikely.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:11 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
I am pretty sure that the cabin will have both IFE and WIFI onboard. For all passengers or those who want to pay extra for it.

Norwegian have WiFi on their new 737-800 and will reintroduce it on all their 737 during 2012. I would hardly believe they would not have it on their longhaul frames. Is there a std option for the 787 for Wifi, and in such case which system? Same as 737?
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:39 pm

THe Norwegian DY official presentation of their upcomming B787's stats states that they will have entertainmentsystem.

There will be AVOD in every seat on all B787's of Norwegian DY

You can download offiicial documentation ( in Norwegian ) from their official website . Follow link and scroll down at end of site and to the right hand side you will find a few documents reagrding their upcomming B787's. For the info in question ( in Norwegian ) click on the document titled ( 787 Dreamliner til Norwegian )

http://media.norwegian.com/no/


So relax guys, you'll get your share of fun also on Norwegian longhaul  

[Edited 2012-03-27 11:47:00]
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:04 pm

Norwegian uses Row44 broadband solution for it's oneboard Wifi. Row44 in turn is based on a Hughes satellite network for the broadband service. Row44 is also the solution used by Southwest.
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 8:25 pm

I must say the seats do look incredibly uncomfortable. The photo at the front of Y looks straight off an old style bus - flat bench seats, and the ones in Y+ (or whatever it's called) look like a sun deck chair, two flat slabs of foam. yuch!

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