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UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Tue Oct 10, 2000 11:40 pm

Effective 2.15.01, United will begin daily nonstop service from Chicago to Amsterdam. The flight will operate using a 767-300 aircraft.

Also on that date, United will discontinue its daily flight from Chicago to Honolulu as the DC-10 used on the route will be retired.
 
ContinentalEWR
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Tue Oct 10, 2000 11:59 pm

Why on earth is UA dropping HNL? Just because the DC10-30 is being retired?
That's nonsense. The 767-300ER has the range to make the flight, as does a
777. Why would they drop this route? Are you sure?
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 12:10 am

Looks to be true... a flight search on United's website shows no sign of a nonstop ORD-HNL flight after 2/14/00. Looks like Valentine's Day will be not only the alst chance to fly UA's DC-10, but the last chance to fly UA nonstop from ORD to HNL. The United website does list American's service from HNL, to be operated by a 767-300, so Chicago will still have HNL service.
 
uprightNlocked
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 12:52 am

I highly doubt that UAL will drop its ORD-HNL service. That flight (sometimes multiple flights per day) is always sold out. They are probably have not committed an a/c type to that route. Expect to see a 2-class 777 on that route - with a 742 during "peak" season.
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:04 am

Uprgihtandlocked, you better believe it; ORD-HNL will be dropped effective 15Feb01. UA did indicate that they may restart it in the future. UA will also add a third SFO-OGG flight. The777Man
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uprightNlocked
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:09 am

The777Man - You will not see a disruption in service on the ORD-HNL route. I bet they are not releasing their schedule in an attempt to "surprise" AA with the a/c on that route. AA will be switching to the 767 and do not have enought 777's to utilize on the route. UA can use a 777 or a 747 and "steal" the market from AA. Or, I could be wrong. Time will tell....
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:13 am

I would tend to think that AA won't be suprised at all. No matter what UA does, I think American has no intention of doing any a/c changes on that route. I don't know. Time will tell ...
 
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 1:15 am

Look for United to re-start this route soon.

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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 5:38 am

It seems really strange that UA would just drop a route that is consistently oversold to the max on a 290 seat DC-10. A two-class domestic 777 would be perfect for the route. I don't think AA has any two-class 777s yet, maybe this is why they are only deploying a domestic 763 on the route, though I could be wrong. A 3-class 777 on the route isn't ideal.
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RE: UA To Start ORD-AMS, Drop ORD-HNL

Wed Oct 11, 2000 9:19 am

This is really quite simple. Hawaii flights are notoriously low yield. Mostly tourist traffic on redemmed FF miles or super saver tickets. Why dedicate one 767 or 777 that would be flying all day on a low yield flight when you can put that same 767 or 777 on a high yield flight like ORD-AMS (which will be full of high ticket price paying business pax). Plus UA has been building up additional flights to Hawaii from LAX and SFO.
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