EricR
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DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:18 pm

Looks like high fuel costs have resulted in DL exiting the Huntington WV market effective June 1. DL's exit leaves only US and G4 in this market. The list of small markets losing service due to high fuel costs continues.

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...ia-airport-from-route-map/656127/1

[Edited 2012-03-26 11:20:04]
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:40 pm

Unfortunately I think we will be seeing more and more of this as the economics of RJs drop like a rock, and especially when there is network service a mere 60 miles away by freeway in CRW (CharlestonYeager).

Also the article in the US Today mentions 30 to 60 Allegiant flights per week from Huntington? Surely they jest--maybe 30-60 per year and then only seasonally!

I fear this will happening througouht the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where I live, where if we are lucky we will retain scheduled air service into MQT even though this is 2-3 hours drive away from other stations (such as IMT, CMX, ESC) that still have some service.
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:43 pm

Would be nice if Silver Airways DBA United Express started an HTS-CLE route.
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:44 pm

US does ok to Charlotte. Odd that retaining to ATL was not attempted.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:45 pm

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 3):
Odd that retaining to ATL was not attempted.

It's an old CVG route - maybe they wanted to keep the "midwest connection." I don't think HTS has ever had ATL service.
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 1):
Also the article in the US Today mentions 30 to 60 Allegiant flights per week from Huntington? Surely they jest--maybe 30-60 per year and then only seasonally!

That's got to be a mistake. In the high season they run 4x weekly to 4 different cities..

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 3):
US does ok to Charlotte. Odd that retaining to ATL was not attempted.

They tried ATL years ago and it failed too.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 2):
Would be nice if Silver Airways DBA United Express started an HTS-CLE route.

CRW lost CLE when CLE was a stronger hub and they couldn't sustain DTW so I'm sure HTS-CLE would do horribly.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 3):
Odd that retaining to ATL was not attempted.

It's an old CVG route - maybe they wanted to keep the "midwest connection." I don't think HTS has ever had ATL service.

Departed Flights shows that Piedmont did fly HTS-ATL 1x day with 737s in 1978.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 2):
Would be nice if Silver Airways DBA United Express started an HTS-CLE route

Why? There's less feed at CLE to support it than DTW could offer. As someone else said, it's only an hour to CRW. There are a lot of markets that will no longer make sense for traditional air service. HTS is likely one of them.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:01 pm

I can't help but wonder if this actually hurts airlines in the long run. Think of it this way, when you don't have service to a smaller market, you force everyone to drive longer distances to use your product. What this has the effect of doing is increasing demand for oil since all these customers have to buy a lot more gas to make the drives to use your product. With more people using oil, it drives up the price of oil. And when oil goes up, the airlines bottom line goes down.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):

Why? There's less feed at CLE to support it than DTW could offer. As someone else said, it's only an hour to CRW. There are a lot of markets that will no longer make sense for traditional air service. HTS is likely one of them.

The little Beechcraft are all over WV already. If Parkersburg and Beckley can support air service, then so can Huntington.

I do remember the Commutair flights on the Q200's from CRW-CLE were often quite empty. A few times I was the only pax and I was a non-rev  Wow!
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 9):
The little Beechcraft are all over WV already. If Parkersburg and Beckley can support air service, then so can Huntington.

I never realized having EAS meant you were supporting air service. Huntington can support a minimal amount of air service.. they have US to CLT and that seems to hold it's own amongst the dash 8 flying. DL has tried everything there and hasn't been able to make anything work.

About a week after they leave HTS, DL is adding another daily CRW-ATL for a total of 6.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting Coronado (Reply 1):
I fear this will happening througouht the Upper Peninsula of Michigan where I live, where if we are lucky we will retain scheduled air service into MQT even though this is 2-3 hours drive away from other stations (such as IMT, CMX, ESC) that still have some service.

IMT, IWD, CMX, and ESC are all under EAS. Marquette may end up in the same boat, especially if Eagle closes their MX base up there.
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:20 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 8):
Think of it this way, when you don't have service to a smaller market, you force everyone to drive longer distances to use your product. What this has the effect of doing is increasing demand for oil since all these customers have to buy a lot more gas to make the drives to use your product.

A van with 12pax uses a heck of a lot less fuel per mile per pax than any aircraft. Even a car with one pax uses less fuel than an airplane.

With the budget issues I think there will have to be some major reallocation of EAS. The incumbent carriers that are receiving EAS for points like IMT and RHI are already trying to get out of providing the service. they may try to just give a EAS block grant to a specific state and then let the state divvy it up in which case I don't hold my breath for EAS going to smaller communities or communities that tend to have a small number of voters, even though during the summer season their populations may triple or quadruple.
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:34 pm

This is why Delta Connection carriers retiring their turboprop fleets in the last several years was a bad idea (I thought that OH and EV retiring their E-120s when they did was a bad move, and EV retiring the ATR-72s was also a bad idea.). When I worked at EV nearly a dozen years ago, HTS was an all E-120 city from ATL. Some smaller cities just are not able to make regional jet service viable for an airline. Unfortunately that means either having to switch to another airline in order to be able to fly out of that airport or having to drive to the nearest city that has service from that airline. You almost wonder why couldn't SkyWest open up a small E-120 base at ATL to operate some of these smaller routes Delta/Delta Connection has dropped in recent years (I'm guessing that between their UAX and DL Connection ops in the West with them, they really can't spare any.).
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:26 am

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 10):
DL has tried everything there and hasn't been able to make anything work.

Apparently something did work for a while. HTS kept service to CVG through a ton of the hub's cutbacks. DL only dropped HTS-CVG at the end of last summer. It was the last city in the DL network served exclusively through CVG, a distinction it held for quite some time. For some reason DL apparently was very reluctant to move the flight to DTW, I guess with good reason.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:35 pm

This is a shame to read... HTS was a great station for ASA/ExpressJet. They will be missed.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:40 pm

Wonder what will happen to CIU I know they do 2 flights up and a day and the seem pretty full. Hope Delta does not drop that.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:20 pm

Almost all of PDT's HTS flights are now on the -300
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:02 pm

Quoting toltommy (Reply 7):
There are a lot of markets that will no longer make sense for traditional air service.

The way things are going it looks like TOL will be one of them.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 13):
Delta Connection carriers retiring their turboprop fleets in the last several years was a bad idea

I fully agree on this point. When Delta decided to get rid of fairly new Saab 340 B+ aircraft that are excellent for select markets I thought it was stupid. They saw it as a chance to get rid of another aircraft type from the fleet.
 
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RE: DL Withdraws Service To Huntington WV

Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting srbmod (Reply 13):
This is why Delta Connection carriers retiring their turboprop fleets in the last several years was a bad idea (I thought that OH and EV retiring their E-120s when they did was a bad move, and EV retiring the ATR-72s was also a bad idea.).

I agree. They should park more CRJ200 instead as they burn a lot more fuel.
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