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Saudia Increases JFK And IAD Services

Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:49 pm

Dear All,

This is to inform you that SV has officially announced that it shall be embarking on a major U.S. expansion spree this summer with frequencies into both JFK and IAD increased considerably. The main highlights effective 12JUN are as follows:

JFK-JED frequencies increased from 3 to 5 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

JFK-RUH frequencies increased from 1 to 2 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

IAD-JED frequencies increased from 2 to 3 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

IAD-RUH frequencies increased from 1 to 3 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

All flights are terminator flights with no domestic tag ons in either USA nor KSA.

The above mentioned frequency increases are available for booking across all major GDS booking systems.

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Tue Mar 27, 2012 6:48 pm

when did Saudia stop flying 744 to JFK ?
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 7:00 pm

So JFK is daily now.

I flew Saudia in October AUH-MED-JED, service was good, they're not run for profit which cuts both ways, cabin crew were a little disinterested (although the purser was great, a real old pro) but the catering was great for a short (2h or less) flight.

What was really interesting was the transit in JED (to Daallo Il-18 to HGA, second mention of that flight in two posts for me), seeing all the SV fleet lined up at midnight, lots and lots of 747-300, -400, and 777-200 all ready to fly off to the US, Asia, Europe etc. You usually only see one Saudia jet at a time, not rows of their heavies. Impressive operation.

The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out. I would recommend a transit flight if they're an affordable option from N America to (say) India. An unusual option, interesting airline.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:25 pm

No 77W to JFK or IAD?!
 
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:27 pm

Good to know - I've logged 106 flights on SV so it's a matter that interests me. Are the JFK-RUH/JED flights staggered so as to achieve daily service from that airport to KSA? Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?

No, there should only be one plane on the ground at a given time. The days are normally staggered with one flight going to JED one day, then RUH the next etc. I could have sworn this frequency was used in the past, but I could be mistaken. When will DL place its code on the SV flights? That would definitely help win some Fly America business in Washington and encourage connecting traffic over NYC.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:59 am

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 4):
Or are there some days where there are 2 SV planes on the ground?

Indeed there are no flights on sundays but two flights on tuesdays from JFK.

No tuesday flight from IAD so that evens out the utilization to N. America.

[Edited 2012-03-28 04:00:04]
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 6):
Indeed there are no flights on sundays but two flights on tuesdays from JFK.

Thanks...I stand corrected!
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:20 am

Very interesting news. I did not fly on Saudi when I came here. Since Saudi is the only nonstop to the USA, I am surprised their service was so infrequent, especially to RUH, it is a huge city.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):

The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out. I would recommend a transit flight if they're an affordable option from N America to (say) India. An unusual option, interesting airline.

Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 5):
When will DL place its code on the SV flights? That would definitely help win some Fly America business in Washington and encourage connecting traffic over NYC.

Probably not any time soon. They promised that they would not codeshare with SV when that idiotic "DL is against Jews" controversy was being stirred up...
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.

But it often means weird! i.e. DMM, world's largest airport but with half-built terminal, strange interior, huge atriums but minimal atmosphere. You can tell it was built to a high standard, but it all just feels rather odd.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting AA909 (Reply 10):
Quoting klwright69 (Reply 8):
Yes what a great observation! Welcome to Saudi. Lots of oil wealth does NOT equate to plush anything in Saudi.

But it often means weird! i.e. DMM, world's largest airport but with half-built terminal, strange interior, huge atriums but minimal atmosphere. You can tell it was built to a high standard, but it all just feels rather odd.

Yes, welcome to Saudi.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 5):
When will DL place its code on the SV flights?

A SV agent told me July 1st for codeshares and mileage accruals. Take it with a grain of salt
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 3:18 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out.

On the bright side, some key airports in the kingdom are getting a makeover.

The first phase of the expansion project at JED should be ready by 2014:

http://www.jed-airport.com

There's also an expansion project for RUH:

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/riyad...ree-fold-in-five-years-434784.html
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:49 pm

Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families. Is tourism non-existent? I think for me as a US citizen I would have to have a letter of introduction to even get a visa and then a sponsor in country that I would have to travel with when I got there, but I really have no idea. The thought of buying a ticket and going for a few days is appealing but I am guessing impossible.
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:53 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families. Is tourism non-existent? I think for me as a US citizen I would have to have a letter of introduction to even get a visa and then a sponsor in country that I would have to travel with when I got there, but I really have no idea. The thought of buying a ticket and going for a few days is appealing but I am guessing impossible.

There is lots of commerce between the two countries. Many Americans have jobs here.

Please spend your money somewhere else. Forget about your dream Saudi trip.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
The airports in Saudi Arabia weren't as plush as I expected, more like Tehran Mehrabad (on a bigger scale) than Dubai - big and functional but a bit worn out.

A lot of that was built in the 1970s, so it isn't exactly young anymore.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 9):
They promised that they would not codeshare with SV when that idiotic "DL is against Jews" controversy was being stirred up..

To be fair it isn't just Delta that gets it. There was a protest that resulted in Allianz not being allowed to get the naming rights to what is now MetLife Stadium.

Quoting flylku (Reply 14):
Who is on these flights? I suspect mostly business people and families.

Probably. I wonder how many connections they could get from Houston and Dallas with a decent codeshare.
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 15):
Please spend your money somewhere else. Forget about your dream Saudi trip.

Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists? I know that the Islamic holy sites are off limits to non-Muslims.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 17):
Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists? I know that the Islamic holy sites are off limits to non-Muslims.

I suspect more than you'd think, but if Islamic holy sites are completely off-limits at all times, not much point, they would be the most interesting. Maybe you could spend time sunbathing on the beach?? Haha!... Read a few years ago some tour organization was offering escorted tours but they were pretty expensive. It would probably be like going to N. Korea...

Also heard the SV flights, at least out of IAD, were all but empty, total pax could fit on a Gulfstream. Is this still accurate?

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Wed Mar 28, 2012 5:58 pm

[quote=OM617,reply=18]Also heard the SV flights, at least out of IAD, were all but empty, total pax could fit on a Gulfstream. Is this still accurate?

At least out of IAD I would say not at all. If they were empty, why is SV adding flights?

There have been a few times when I have had flights out of IAD the same time as the SV flights were departing. I either had to walk by or my gate was directly across from where SV was departing. They looked pretty full to me.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 19):
There have been a few times when I have had flights out of IAD the same time as the SV flights were departing. I either had to walk by or my gate was directly across from where SV was departing. They looked pretty full to me.

There's a large Saudi diplomatic presence in the DC area, probably larger than most other countries. It wouldn't surprise me if the flights are kept for this reason alone.
 
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:39 pm

Many of the passengers that travel between Saudi Arabia and the U.S. are Saudi students who are attending colleges in the U.S. There are also Saudis who visit the U.S. for business or tourism.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 17):
Out of curiosity, is there anything to even see in Saudi Arabia for tourists?

Some travel agencies organize some trips to Saudi Arabia for tourists, such as scuba diving tours in the Red Sea. Scuba diving in the Red Sea is one of the things that I cherish the most about living in Jeddah. Since I'm currently a college student in San Diego, every time I visit Jeddah I do my best to join a diving trip for enjoyment as well as to maintain my diving proficiency.

Some underwater scenes of the Red Sea in Jeddah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_l4aRXiLbk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWGW_esn7mI

Here are some examples of dive operators in Jeddah:

http://www.sauditourism.com.sa/en/Experiences/news.aspx?NewsID=19

[Edited 2012-03-28 12:28:50]
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Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:21 pm

Yes, Eightball is right on all counts..

There are some attractions in Saudi Arabia. But you will never be able to enter without a sponsor.

I am surprised SV did not have more service to the USA before. I guess all the other one stop players via Europe and the Middle East are too strong in the market.
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:59 pm

I have flown on them and my dad actually worked for them in the 80's and they were modern for that time they had a lot of ex-pats that had worked for them. They actually modeled there maintenance department after the bigger airlines with the shops etc. It was a top - notch maintenance facility. Infact, I not sure but, I believe they were the one of the only Rolls Royce certified overhaul shops that was endorsed by Rolls Royce in the middle east they were not as extravagant as say emirates but, I have flown first class from JFK to JED and it was comparable to TWA or Pan AM
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:46 pm

SV flights from IAD are usually Close to full, and often overbooked during the peak travel periods. There is a very large middle eastern population around DC, and over the years SV has been growing steadily at IAD. Many utilize connections to Egypt, Sudan, and other places - much more than simply O&D but 99% non-US citizens.
 
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
JFK-JED frequencies increased from 3 to 5 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.
Quoting behramjee (Thread starter):
JFK-RUH frequencies increased from 1 to 2 weekly nonstop flights operated with a B 772ER.

When you think of the very close relationship between those two countries and the number of ex-pat workers in Saudi that number of flights is tiny. The Saudis love going to America to see Disney too.

Such a small aircraft so infrequently is a real surprise to me.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 25):

Such a small aircraft so infrequently is a real surprise to me.

Yes, absolutely right. Even the small community college near my folks home in Colorado has loads of Saudi students attending.

It is really stunning two big countries have had such paltry nonstop air service.
 
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 24):
SV flights from IAD are usually Close to full, and often overbooked during the peak travel periods. There is a very large middle eastern population around DC, and over the years SV has been growing steadily at IAD. Many utilize connections to Egypt, Sudan, and other places - much more than simply O&D but 99% non-US citizens.

Do a lot of them connect at IAD onto United and other airlines?
 
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting babybus (Reply 25):
When you think of the very close relationship between those two countries and the number of ex-pat workers in Saudi that number of flights is tiny. The Saudis love going to America to see Disney too.

I bet LH, AF, and KL carry quite a few people to and from Saudi. Looking at the June schedule:

LH FRA-JED - 4x weekly
LH FRA-RUH - Daily
LH FRA-DMM - 4x weekly (operated by Privatair)
AF CDG-JED - 6x weekly
AF CDG-RUH - 3x weekly
KL AMS-DMM - Daily
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 28):
Looking at the June schedule:

And don't forget

TK IST-RUH - 14 weekly
TK IST-JED - 21 weekly
TK IST-DMM - 4 weekly
 
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Sun Apr 01, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 29):
And don't forget

TK IST-RUH - 14 weekly
TK IST-JED - 21 weekly
TK IST-DMM - 4 weekly

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