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Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 9:29 pm

http://www.foxbusiness.com/news/2012...lion-on-airplanes-for-brazil-unit/

They will spend close to $4 Billion in the next 2 to 5 years, no manufacturer has been selected yet.

Is AV Brazil doing that well?
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:35 pm

If they know 50 airplanes will cost $4bn. but that a manufacturer has not yet been chosen, then it can only be a decision between A320 and 737. So congratulations to Airbus to selling a bunch of OEOs, congratulations to Avianca for their rapid growth and apparent success in Brazil.
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:35 pm

Quoting gabo787 (Thread starter):
Is AV Brazil doing that well?

well they have no other choice in order to increase their market share, also this would be very welcomed by * alliance!

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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:51 pm

Where are they planning to operate them to. Aren't GRU and GIG pretty much out of available slots?
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:02 pm

Could they be looking at Embraer or C Series?.
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
Aren't GRU and GIG pretty much out of available slots?

There are other airports in that region too and surprisingly, Brazilians in other parts of the country as well. SP has 20m., Rio 12m. people - that's less than 1/6 of the countries population.
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 pm

Quoting something (Reply 1):

Assuming they in fact were buying Airbus, I wonder what delivery slots they could get versus buying a 737MAX, C-Series or Embraer NB??
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
Assuming they in fact were buying Airbus, I wonder what delivery slots they could get versus buying a 737MAX, C-Series or Embraer NB??

Their lines seem to have a lot of slack in the mentioned time frame (2-5 years), which are the last years of the OEO production before the NEO is launched. Airbus will sell these pre-NEO slots for a very good price I assume and I would not hate seeing an Avianca do Brasil A321 with sharklets take to the skies.
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:24 am

Quoting something (Reply 5):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
Aren't GRU and GIG pretty much out of available slots?

There are other airports in that region too and surprisingly, Brazilians in other parts of the country as well. SP has 20m., Rio 12m. people - that's less than 1/6 of the countries population.

Yes but the southeast region has the bulk of the wealth. I would be more interested in CGH and SDU than GRU and GIG in terms of slots. Avianca's current schedule is a bit pathetic - if you are on GOL or TAM, you know (pretty much) if you turn up for the ponte aerea and you are early they will put you on the early one, or if it has all gone wrong then there will be alternatives. Avianca just doesn't have the frequency to make them a serious option over TAM or GOL at the moment for me.

Anyway, more competition can only be good - get the (extortionate) fares down...
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:57 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
Aren't GRU and GIG pretty much out of available slots?

No, only GRU is. GIG has available slots at any given time throughout the day.
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:53 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 9):
No, only GRU is. GIG has available slots at any given time throughout the day.

Thanks, I didn't realise that.
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 2:06 pm

Well that is great news. It was clear that if they wanted to grow in Brazil they would need a lot more aircraft than those currently ordered, which would only cover growth in BOG, LIM and central america. This is also good news for Star Alliance.
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 6:40 pm

Buy Azul, they have planes, an established operation, from which Avianca could expand its domestic and regional operation in Brazil. Buying GOL would be a great goal to achieve but the cost may be prohibitve and impossible since they are closely held.
 
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 4):
Could they be looking at Embraer or C Series?.


As far as I know, TA by itself is not entirely happy for their 11 E90s due to cargo constraints.
The airline has not ordered more planes, even though the memorandum of understanding signed in 2008 between Embraer and TACA stated about the possibility of more planes in the future.




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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 6):
Assuming they in fact were buying Airbus, I wonder what delivery slots they could get versus buying a 737MAX, C-Series or Embraer NB??


I'm not clear about why might AV consider the 737s when AV-TA is pursuing the commonality of the 320 family on Avianca, Taca, Aerogal and Avianca Brasil for the (120-160)-seater planes.

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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:47 am

What ever Avianca buys, even if they are behind TAM and GOL, all they would need to do is either add 2 or 3 inches of legroom nose to tail, or put in 10 rows of something like UA's E+ with 5 inches of legroom and they would have a huge advantage over Gol or TAM - who have the tightest economy seats ever sat in, ever!
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RE: Avianca Wants To Buy 50 New Airpanes For AV Brazil

Sat Mar 31, 2012 1:37 pm

Quoting VC10er (Reply 14):
What ever Avianca buys, even if they are behind TAM and GOL, all they would need to do is either add 2 or 3 inches of legroom nose to tail, or put in 10 rows of something like UA's E+ with 5 inches of legroom and they would have a huge advantage over Gol or TAM - who have the tightest economy seats ever sat in, ever!

People who want a bit more comfort and are willing to pay for it too, would usually elect Azul as their carrier of choice. They claim they're $17 cheaper on average, but my real world experience is inconsistent with this claim.

If Avianca were to install a more generous cabin layout, they would have to have either lower operating costs or higher fares. The question is would the market bear these higher fares or, would this more comfortable layout attract enough customers for the higher load factors to make more money than a denser configuration at what could potentially be a lower load factor?

All we know is that they want to spend $4bn. on 50 aircraft; that leaves only the A320 and 737 of which the latter can be ruled out as a possibility. What we don't know however is what strategy Avianca Brasil is pursueing. Will they fly domestically or internationally? Will they create a hub and spoke system or focus on direct links? If the former, couldn't they use some A330s? If the latter, wouldn't smaller aircraft (E195s and ATR72) make more sense, to go after smaller markets or higher frequencies? How important will the long haul Star Alliance feed be for them? If it's crucial to their operation, they will have no other choice but to focus on flying 'spokes' out of GIG and GRU to exactly the same markets JJ is already serving. How important is cargo to them?

There are so many variables that without knowing what they're on about, the order could consist of everything from 50x A320 to a mix of A330s down to ATRs. But so far, the all A320OEO order at favorable conditions seems the likeliest.
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