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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:10 am

California Pacific Airlines has been getting ready to launch out of Carlsbad Palomar Airport! Good news for those in Northern San Diego County as this could bring new job opportunities! They have 4 Embraer 170's on order with Premium and Economy class cabins with no seats in the middle! They are scheduling services to KSFO, KOAK, KSMF, KLAS, KPHX, and MMSL. Nice to see new airlines coming to be even after hard times! Can't Wait!

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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:24 am

I know they are on a.net, believe it or not. The CEO was recently interviewed from our local news paper. UT San Diego

They should receive their first E170 in four months.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:25 am

I thought you had some new news for us. I was in CLD last month and snapped a picture of their future ticket counter.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:28 am

Quoting gustywinds (Reply 2):

That counter has been ther science last may, is there any new news... Ie when they are going to start ops?
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:30 am

What about San Jose? I believe their original plan was to bypass SFO in favor of both OAK and SJC.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting n782nc (Reply 4):

I believe SJC is a route they will launch, according to the link provided by the OP.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:40 am

Are they looking at phx or Gateway?
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting n782nc (Reply 4):

Their website is showing KOAK and KSFO in the Bay Area not KSJC.  

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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:45 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):

KPHX I'm assuming.

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Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:48 am

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 6):

PHX, although I think they'd have a little more success from IWA. There's no competition from G4 or NK to SoCal. From PHX, they've got their work cut out for them, to say the least.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:29 am

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 7):

Their website shows planned service to SJC and OAK in the Bay Area, not SFO.
http://www.flycpair.com/about/aboutDestinations.htm

My confusion is based off of this...

Quoting KLAXAirport (Thread starter):
They are scheduling services to KSFO, KOAK

What I'm asking is this. Are they really planning to serve SFO instead of SJC, but just haven't updated their planned route map yet?

[Edited 2012-04-02 21:32:08]
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:17 am

I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.
 
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Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 11):

I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.

The were approved a month or so ago for a major phase of FAA certifications, which includes analyzing their business plan (among other things) and requires them to have adequate capital to start up and stay afloat for at least two years. The FAA would not have approved this phase if they couldn't get off the ground. It's a difficult phase to get past because it requires a huge amount of investment capital, organization, and time; since these standards were put in place in the 90s, there have been very few start ups -- it weeds out airlines that won't get going. There's no doubt in my mind they'll be flying, not to mention Embraer is supposed to give them an airplane in a couple of months, so I'm guessing they'll probably want some money for it.

The book Flying High by James Wynbrandt details how JetBlue made it through this process (the first airline to do so) if you're interested. It's also why so many people on here are skeptical of the new PEX flying by this summer because these certifications take a year or more...two or more years once you factor in all of the other work that needs to be done. Of the start ups that have had to go through this process, I think Skybus was the only one to dissolve.
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:13 am

They are also talking about eventually serving SJD on weekends. I'm still wondering how they plan to fly
down to Mexico nonstop using CLD's short runway. Although there has been some talk of extending it. I
don't know what became of it.

Quoting n782nc (Reply 10):
Their website shows planned service to SJC and OAK in the Bay Area, not SFO.

They are most likely planning to serve OAK and SJC, but it's worded like some airlines do: Serve San Francisco
via OAK and SJC.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:32 am

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
The were approved a month or so ago for a major phase of FAA certifications,

They also passed the DOT's financial stress test a little bit further back.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 11:05 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
That counter has been ther science last may, is there any new news... Ie when they are going to start ops?

The ticket counter has been there since May 2010!
 
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:18 pm

I hope no one is holding their breath.

Not only have CP Air continued to miss their own launch dates by years, the tough airline economic realities of the industry are heavily against them.

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 12):
which includes analyzing their business plan (among other things) and requires them to have adequate capital to start up and stay afloat for at least two years.

The DOT merely requires startup airline to have three months of operational funding available in addition to pre-operating costs. The financial litmus test determines what that number would be based on the projected scale and cost of operations.

And per the most recent DOT filings, CP had yet to secure this required launch funding via previously planned shares offering.
To date they were operating mostly on the assets of its founder Ted Vallas which includes a condo and annuity.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:21 pm

CP will fly soon, and they will be just fine. They are getting ready to get flight certs soon.
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 11):
I doubt they'll ever fly. Wasn't there a report late last year that they'd only raised about 10% of the start-up capital? Yea, I know the history. Yea, I know that SAN is a pain for North County. But that doesn't translate into a viable business plan.
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 16):
And per the most recent DOT filings, CP had yet to secure this required launch funding via previously planned shares offering.
To date they were operating mostly on the assets of its founder Ted Vallas which includes a condo and annuity.

I'd have to agree. I wish them well but as an investment I would run away. And, choice of a/c. With Pinnacle's Ch 11, might be easy to pick up several Q400s on lease for cheap. And they probably match the E170 over the indicated stage lengths, within 5 mins., with lower DOC.
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Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 9):

Also interlining with US, I could see them doing that.
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 17):
CP will fly soon, and they will be just fine. They are getting ready to get flight certs soon.

I hope that they promote themselves as a hometown airline. Reasonable fares, no nickel and diming, offer some incentives to be loyal, offer hot cookies or sweet roles in the morning, whatever...they need to distinguish themselves from the impersonal regional carriers. If their schedules at first are a bit inconvenient, the little extras will count big.
 
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Quoting DesertAir (Reply 20):

"offer hot cookies or sweet roles in the morning, whatever..." 

If you read their website, it absolutely does seem like their goal is good customer service and satisfaction.

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Wed Apr 04, 2012 1:11 am

If they do get off the ground, so to speak, I think they'll be a bit more convenient for the military community north of San Diego. As it is, Camp Pendleton, the largest Marine base in the US by population, is around 50 miles from SAN. CLD is only 18 miles away, approximately.

Maybe it'll be easier for short hops to the Bay Area and Phoenix, connecting onward?
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Will they just serve as a connector airline (i.e. getting from KPHX to KSJC) or are they aiming at the SD market?
 
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Quoting penguins (Reply 23):
Will they just serve as a connector airline (i.e. getting from KPHX to KSJC) or are they aiming at the SD market?

They are presumably aiming for the affluent local community and point to point traffic, not connections. With their location and equipment they will not be able to compete on price to those [heavy WN] markets.
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):

Science last may huh? wow.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 3:13 am

So many things about this airline look like a pipe dream of a 90yo guy who wants to check one last thing off his bucket list.

How many E170 can the CLD ramp hold? Probably less than 4. Plus there will be no room for MX hangars, which the E170 is known to need quite often. Nobody is going to pay for first class on a 60 min flight.

If they had followed the same model Porter did with Toronto City, they might actually have a fighting chance with the SD market. Currently, it seems doomed to failure.
 
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 6:32 am

I work in Vista, a few miles from CRQ. All I know is it would be great to catch a jet out of North County and not have to drive to SAN, LAX or ONT. I spent some time browsing CP Air website. Looks good- I really hope they pull it off.


Quoting SAN-" class="quote" target="_blank">Sean-SAN- (Reply 26):
How many E170 can the CLD ramp hold? Probably less than 4.

Looks like room for at least 5 directly behind the new terminal on the new ramp.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Paloma...port+Rd,+Carlsbad,+California&z=18



Quoting SAN-" class="quote" target="_blank">Sean-SAN- (Reply 26):
Plus there will be no room for MX hangars

  How much more room would you need? Are the AC MX really that bad?



Quoting SAN-" class="quote" target="_blank">Sean-SAN- (Reply 26):
Nobody is going to pay for first class on a 60 min flight.

You might have a point. But again, scheduled jet service out of Carlsbad is unique. I wouldn't expect it to be free. *Anyone* that drives from No. SD county to fly out of SAN on a regular basis would understand.
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 11:12 am

I'd love to see this carrier get off the ground, and make a small niche for itself on the west coast. What are the distance limitations of the aircraft they are using? Can they make PDX or SEA in the future if they wanted to?
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Quoting RWA380 (Reply 28):
I'd love to see this carrier get off the ground, and make a small niche for itself on the west coast. What are the distance limitations of the aircraft they are using? Can they make PDX or SEA in the future if they wanted to?

Yes, they do plan on PDX and SEA. IIRC, it is not planned until after their first year. There is a CP Air exec that was visiting this site, and answering questions. Might want to do a forum search. He was very knowledgeable , and was very nice. Perhaps the usual negative posts might have made him not want to be a part often discussions. As for being a pipe dream? Get a lighter for the pipe, because this airline is going to fly. Will it survive? Ya never know. However, the CP Air staff are no dummies, and they are beyond determined for the airline to succeed.
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 29):
Yes, they do plan on PDX and SEA.

Not sure how that's happening. With CLD's runway only 4,897 they can only have full payloads for maybe 600nm. SEA is 1,023nm. Maybe Embraer worked some magic numbers or a stop at OAK or SJC.
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:15 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 30):
With CLD's runway only 4,897 they can only have full payloads for maybe 600nm

I know CPAir has plans to launch SJD in the future, I was wondering with the length of the runway
can they make it from CLD to SJD (Mexico) nonstop? Or will they have to make a tech stop in SAN? A couple of
years ago, there was talk of extending CLD's runway from 4,897 to 5,897, but I haven't heard anything else
about it. But nevertheless, I wish CPAir the best of luck. CLD needs more air service to that brand new terminal
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Wed Apr 04, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 30):
Not sure how that's happening. With CLD's runway only 4,897 they can only have full payloads for maybe 600nm. SEA is 1,023nm. Maybe Embraer worked some magic numbers or a stop at OAK or SJC.

The question was asked in another thread on CP. IIRC, the executive answered the question regarding the runway length. He also said that PDX and SEA were indeed on their list of cities to serve. I don't have time to search the threads at the moment. Taking a wild guess here, but was the runway lenghthened or are there plans to do so? Somehow, they would be able to do it per his explanation. My memory is not as good as it used to be, because I used to retain things like this! Could it be happening? Is this normal at 36?
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 32):
My memory is not as good as it used to be, because I used to retain things like this! Could it be happening? Is this normal at 36?

It certainly happens at 46.... Can't remember what 36 was like.  
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Could we possibly see trans-continental flights to like JFK or MIA form California Pacific?

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Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 34):
Could we possibly see trans-continental flights to like JFK or MIA form California Pacific?

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Not in their business plan. Just local service, Mostly West Coast.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting doug_Or (Reply 24):
They are presumably aiming for the affluent local community and point to point traffic, not connections. With their location and equipment they will not be able to compete on price to those [heavy WN] markets.

I see this like AS/QX at SRS, I could even see AS/QX going head to head in CLD if local demand becomes great enough.

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 29):
Yes, they do plan on PDX and SEA. IIRC

Cool, yet another carrier in the skies of the Rose City & The Emerald City, I'd surely give them a try.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 34):
Could we possibly see trans-continental flights to like JFK or MIA form California Pacific?

Back in the 30s airlines did it with DC2s, Lockheed Lodestars, and Ford Trimotors.

Also, OO does IAD-COS / COS-LAX and IAD-MCI / MCI-SFO with CR7s .

California Pacific could try something similar with E70s .

But what would be the point ?  
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:13 pm

Call me a cynic, but I will believe it when I see it, and then truly believe it if it survives more than two years.

Not that I wouldn't mind seeing upstarts be successful, I'm just realistic about the current state of the industry.
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