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Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:53 am

Recently watching a clip of What my Line from Sept 1957 The guest host says he is filling in for John Daly as he is on the First Non Stop Flight from New York to Athens heading on vacation. I have tried searching and seem to keep missing the right keywords or something but I can not find what that flight was (Airline, Eq).
Can anyone please help. Below is the clip at 5m12s he tells about the flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=ug8YdXnFZTo
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:12 pm

It likely ether TWA or Pan Am.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:15 pm

I think that would have been TWA.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:27 pm

They were my first guess but I was not able to find anything to support it.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:05 pm

I'm thinking TWA or, on the outside shot, Olympic Airways. TW840 used to go JFK-FCO-ATH-TLV once upon a time. A famous hijacking on that too I believe and a crash too.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:10 pm

It definitely wasn't Olympic. They had just formed earlier that year and wouldn't fly nonstop to JFK until about a decade later.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:27 pm

In 1957, the only transport aircraft capable of flying IDL-ATH non-stop with any appreciable load would have been the L1649A, or the DC-7C.

As ATH was TWA "territory" my guess too would be TWA using a L1649A. It had been introduced into passenger service during 1957.
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:05 pm

Did the plane destroyed in TWA 800 make it's last complete flight on that route?
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:29 am

Quoting longhauler (Reply 6):
In 1957, the only transport aircraft capable of flying IDL-ATH non-stop with any appreciable load would have been the L1649A, or the DC-7C.

As ATH was TWA "territory" my guess too would be TWA using a L1649A. It had been introduced into passenger service during 1957.

I don't believe TWA operated IDL-ATH scheduled nonstop service with the L-1649A, unless it was a one-off special flight of some type.

I found the following excerpt from a Boston newspaper item dated November 1957. Sounds like it involved a special Air France demonstration flight from NYC to ATH, no doubt using the L-1649A (AF one of the only 3 customers for the L-1649A).
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/boston/a...nter+Vacation+Preview&pqatl=google

[Edited 2012-04-07 21:05:48]
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting penguins (Reply 7):
Did the plane destroyed in TWA 800 make it's last complete flight on that route?

Yes the plane's last completed flight was TW881 ATH-JFK.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 4:59 am

My only conflict with the Boston article is that the Live Air date for the show that Daly was on vacation for that week was in Sept '57
The article looks like it says the flight mentioned is in Nov '57
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 8):
I don't believe TWA operated IDL-ATH scheduled nonstop service with the L-1649A, unless it was a one-off special flight of some type.

I agree. In the TWA timetables I have for 1957, there is no mention of an IDL-ATH non-stop flight. Everything was routed through FCO.

I assumed it was a special demonstration flight, as the L1649A was brand new at the time. I am sure both TWA and Lockheed would have loved to show off the capabilities of the aircraft.
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 6:46 pm

This April 1, 1958 TWA timetable does not show NYC to ATH non-stops. Every flight to ATH stopped in Rome.

http://timetableimages.com/i-t/tw5804i.jpg

April 24, 1960 shows the same no ATH non-stops, stopped in Rome.
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/tw60/tw60-10.jpg
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/tw60/tw60-11.jpg

I don't think PAA flew to ATH in 1958:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa/pa58/pa58-04.jpg

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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Sun Apr 08, 2012 9:09 pm

Marson's book says even the Rome nonstop didn't start until October 1957, and I don't think the book mentions a later Athens nonstop. The 12/57, 4/58 and 7/58 timetables don't show one, so looks like it was a special.
 
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RE: Inaugural Service Non Stop New York To Athens

Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:14 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 12):
I don't think PAA flew to ATH in 1958:

Pan Am didn't have traffic rights to ATH until much later, around the mid-1980s I think, and then it was only a tag-on from FRA and with no 5th freedom rights FRA-ATH..

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