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Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:32 am

I know they have the 777 and MD11 but if they truly want to compete in Asia then they're going to have to get the jumbo.First of all the MD11 barely has the range to get to Tokyo from Atlanta, and they can't put any freight on that route due to weight restrictions, as a matter of fact, two positions meant for containers under the belly actually have extra fuel cells.And the 777 has issues with etops, so i want to know if they're ever gonna step up and get the mighty 747!
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:37 am

No. They won't.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:38 am

I doubt that Delta will get the 747 any time soon. Delta seems to use smaller planes, such as the 767-300ER, MD-11, and the 777-200, and they seem to be making money. I think that the 747 is just too big for Delta. I think Delta may buy the 777-300 some time or the Long Range 777, but that's about it.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 10:39 am

too costly. not enough gate space in ATL for a 747-400 during the Intl pushes here. although it would be nice to see a 747 in the new paint. but, it's on gonna happen.......
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:55 am

It will never happen. They are trying to slim the fleet down to 737/757/767/777's.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:57 am

What about Freighter needs? A Combi Version might not be too bad of an idea.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 12:34 pm

I hope Delta will get the B 747-400 too! It would be great to see one. In fact, Delta did own some 747-100s brand new delivered from Boeing in the 70s. However, after about 5 years, ALL of its 747s have been sold.

I doubt Delta will get the 747-400 as they seem to use relatively smaller planes like 777, MD 11 etc etc.

Hope this helps. Anymore ideas from anyone?
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 12:45 pm

This is one reason why I absolutely love the mighty Delta Air Lines. They don't need a 744 to prove they are mighty like others. Just take a look at American & Continental also. They don't need 747s. Delta has been performing so nicely without it. Its also proof that the MD-11 must be doing something well for them to keep it. I think the 777s & MD-11s are what sets Delta apart from the rest. Even before the MD-11, it was the almighty L10 TriStar, which we will all remember as long as we live. The TriStar & 767s were its biggest jets. Now, besides the MD-11, my personal faves Delta & Continental as aquired two of the ultimate long range weapons, the awesome 767-400ER and 777s. I would always say that those two are the ultimate carriers of the United States of America.
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 3:27 pm

While the 747 is the queen of the skies, it's not very popular among U.S. carriers. For example, Delta, US Airways, Continental, American and TWA don't use the 747s. And some of these carriers, such as Delta and American, have been able to get away with transpacific service. Delta uses MD-11s and American uses 777s to Tokyo.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:31 pm

I have to agree with you all, but i can't see Delta really committing to Asia without the big '47, and they're supposed to be getting rid of 7 of their MD11's by 2003, so it seems to me that the 777 is the future flagship for Delta, which while i certainly like the 777, i don't know that it can run the ultra-long range Asian routes, unless Delta decides to buy the 777-200x.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:36 pm

I hope they will get some 747-400s as well
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Wed Oct 11, 2000 11:37 pm

Why does Delta need a -400 to compete in Asia ? If any thing they'll start to deploy 777-200s on the Pacific and if growth is required, move up to the -300ER. Several Asian carriers are already starting to do just that.
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:13 am

According to sources here in ATL the much aniticipated decision for the China routes are going to UPS. One of the main reasons is the lack of a 747. Certain countries (Russia) will not permit a two engine aircraft through their airspace. I personally think the 777 is a magnificient aircraft, but it is going to cost DL the China routes!!!!
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 5:50 am

Tritanic.....I'm intrigued by your comment that "Certain countries (Russia) will not permit a two engine aircraft through their airspace."....

Out of curiosity, what is your basis for the fact?
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:01 am

I am sure that Aeroflot is flying the 777. That statement was rediculous.
 
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Tritanic

Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:15 am

LOL!!! Considering I flew on an Aeroflot 767-300ER last summer to and from Moscow, as well as from St. Petersburg to Moscow, I'd say your statement about Russia not permitting twins in their airspace is absurd at best. Where in the world did you come up with that??? Never mind there are several airlines operating the twinjet Tupolev TU204, 757, A310 and 777, the twinjet Tupolev TU134 has been in service since the '60s!

Watch what you say on here; if you make statements that everyone knows are ridiculous, you lose credibility.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 8:57 am

Delta already has GREAT aircraft (besides theMD-11 ) I think they should replace MD-11's with 744's!!
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:08 am

It was Delta pilots who pointed that out, and it had to do with polar flights also. China was the other with a 747 preference. And this was just not the opinion of a few either. Within my company we are very doubtful now about aquiring those routes. SO, kiss my ass on the credability, this is speculative from within the industry, and I'm not saying that NO TWO ENGINE AIRCRAFT CAN TRAVEL WITHIN THOSE COUNTRIES. Just on the proposed direct routing from JFK to CHINA!
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:21 am

Gentlemen, please read the related posts about Polar flights.
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:29 am

The Future Delta Long-Range Fleet:

7 777-200s are currently in service, with more on the way. All MD-11 aircraft willl be retired prior to, if not by the same time all 727s are retired, which is 2005.

6 more 777-200s are due to be delivered during the next 4 years. This leads me to believe that the 777-200 will not be the flagship for long.

When Ichon Airport in S. Korea opens, look for many new Pacifc routes to open up, espically to there. Once this occurs we will be seeing an influx of 777/747 orders, depending on what is needed in terms of capacity.


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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 9:59 am

This is nonsense. For all those who seem to think the 744 is absolutely required for building an Asian route base from the US east coast, I would like to direct your attention to the following range charts:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777-200/rng.html

Note the range of the ER. If you still doubt it, remember the CO is starting EWR-HKG service next year. That's a 16 hour ETOPS flight. As Tritanic correctly pointed out, they will use a polar route.

The last time I checked, Hong Kong was in China.

-Marc.

 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:07 am

I'm in complete agreement, but for the love of god pass on those sentiments to the Republic of China!!!
 
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RE: Will Delta Ever BUY The 747-400?

Thu Oct 12, 2000 10:12 am