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OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:55 pm

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


Really slow week.  

*9K BHB-BOS JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3

AA SJU-DOM AUG 1.1>1.5 DEC 1.2>1.4

AC ABE-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.6
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5
AC LAS-YUL MAY 1.3>1.0 JUN 1.2>1.0 SEP 1.3>1.0 OCT 1.2>1.0
AC LAX-YUL MAY 1.8>1.6
AC SEA-YYZ MAY 2>1.5

AF IAD-CDG OCT 1.9>1.6

*AM ORD-CUN MAY 0.5>0.1 JUN 0.6>0 JUL 0.5>0

AS LAX-YVR JUL 4>3
AS SEA-LAX JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11 AUG 12>11
AS SEA-PSC SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5

CM MIA-PTY JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
CM SJU-PTY JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3 OCT 2>3 NOV 2>3 DEC 2>3

DL DTW-DCA AUG 6>7 SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 6>7
DL DTW-YYZ JUL 8>7
DL JFK-DCA JUL 4>3 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2
DL LGA-BOS NOV 13>12
DL MBS-MSP JUN 1.6>1.0 JUL 1.8>1.0 SEP 1.8>1.1 OCT 1.9>1.0
Wow, only 3 RTs left hub2hub
*DL MEM-MSP SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
DL MSP-YYZ JUL 5>6 AUG 5>6

G4 BLI-PSP JUN 0.6>0.4

HU LAX-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PEK MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

IB MIA-MAD NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5

KS BHB-BOS JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2 NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2

LA MIA-BOG SEP 1.4>1.0 OCT 1.4>1.0 NOV 1.5>1.0 DEC 1.4>1.0

NK FLL-ZSA SEP 0.2>0

OZ LAS-LAX JUN 0.7>0
OZ LAX-SJC JUN 0>0.8
OZ SEA-ICN OCT 1.0>0.8

SE JFK-CDG SEP 0.2>0.5 OCT 0>0.3

SY DFW-CUN DEC 0.6>0.3

TA JFK-SAP MAY 0.3>0.1
TA LAX-SAL AUG 2>1.9
TA MIA-GUA MAY 1.0>0.9
TA MIA-SAP MAY 1.0>0.8

UP BWI-FPO MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3
UP RDU-FPO MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3
UP RIC-FPO MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3
UP SDF-FPO MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3 OCT 0>0.3 NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3

US BHB-BOS MAY 2>0
US BOS-LGA JUL 14>13
US CLT-LGA JUL 13>12 AUG 14>13
US CLT-MYR JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8
US CLT-SBY AUG 4>3
US CLT-SDF JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8
US DCA-CLT JUL 11>10 AUG 12>11
US DCA-ORF JUL 3>5 AUG 3>4
US DCA-PBI JUL 3>1.6 AUG 4>3
US DCA-PWM JUL 3>4
*US DCA-RSW JUL 1.5>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0 OCT 3>0 NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0.8
US LGA-PIT SEP 7>6 DEC 7>6
US PHL-BUF JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
US PHL-DCA JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9
US PHL-ELM JUL 5>6
US PHL-ITH JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
Jeez...enough with the PHL-LGA RTs.
*US PHL-LGA JUL 13>14 AUG 10>13 SEP 10>12 OCT 10>12 NOV 10>12 DEC 10>12
US PHL-MKE JUL 4>5
US PHL-ROC JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
US PHL-YHZ JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US PHL-YOW JUL 4>3
US PHL-YQB JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US PHX-FLG JUL 8>6 AUG 8>6
US PHX-LAX JUL 8>7 AUG 8>7
US PHX-TUS JUL 11>10 AUG 11>10
US PHX-YVR AUG 2>3

VX BOS-SFO AUG 3>4
1 RT seemed like a light schedule
*VX PDX-SFO JUL 1.0>1.8
Are they closing it?
*VX PSP-SFO DEC 1.0>0

WN ATL-DEN NOV 0.2>0.1
WN ATL-LAS NOV 0.2>0.1
These trips moved back to FL
*WN ATL-LAX AUG 3>1.6 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 0.2>0.1
WN ATL-MDW SEP 5>4
WN ATL-PHX SEP 2>1.0
WN AUS-DAL JUN 11>12 JUL 11>12
*WN AUS-PDX JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
WN BOS-STL JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
More FL trades
*WN CAK-DEN SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
*WN CAK-MDW AUG 0>1.3 SEP 0>2 OCT 0>2
*WN DAY-DEN SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0
Is this a net-new flight or an FL trade?
*WN DEN-MKE JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.4>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3
*WN DSM-MDW OCT 0>2
ECP must be doing better than we all thought.
*WN ECP-STL JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
WN LAS-MKE OCT 3>4
WN MKE-PHX OCT 1.9>3

ZK DEN-FMN NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4
ZK DEN-PGA NOV 0.1>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
ZK FMN-SOW NOV 0.8>1.7 DEC 0.7>1.7
ZK IGM-PHX NOV 1.1>1.9 DEC 1.0>1.8
ZK LAX-PRC NOV 0.2>2 DEC 0>2
ZK PGA-PHX NOV 1.1>2 DEC 1.0>2
ZK PGA-PRC NOV 0.1>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
ZK PHX-SOW DEC 2>3
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:08 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Wow, only 3 RTs left hub2hub
*DL MEM-MSP SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3

I don't suppose there is much left that isn't already covered by MSP or ATL.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:10 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU LAX-PVG
HU ORD-PEK
HU ORD-PVG

Code-share on AA services.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU LAX-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PEK MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

AA codeshare. Weird that it's showing up in OAG.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:27 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
1 RT seemed like a light schedule
*VX PDX-SFO JUL 1.0>1.8
Are they closing it?
*VX PSP-SFO DEC 1.0>0

Interesting. Yes, doubling SFO-PDX is certainly a good move although I will want to take a look at the schedule to see if it's been re-worked into more of a business commute-friendly, one-day trip offering. This had to be changed -- one flight in the market was just silly and useless.

And PSP showing no flights in December is certainly odd but as that is 8 months out, things could change...

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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:41 pm

PSP was always meant to be seasonal. This year for example it ends in about 2-weeks (Apr 30)
Not sure what their planned restart date is. (was Dec 15th last year). I guess they must have done OK however as they did extend the service several weeks this spring from its original end date.


The added PDX flight is as follows:
VX818 SFO-PDX 1600-1750
VX819 PDX-SFO 1835-2025

[Edited 2012-04-11 09:47:54]
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

ATL-LAX, ATL-LAS, and ATL-DEN all go from 3 daily to 2 on WN metal. Only 2 days of the Nov schedule are posted making them appear as if they're ending.
My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US LGA-PIT SEP 7>6 DEC 7>6
US PHL-BUF JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
US PHL-DCA JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9
US PHL-ELM JUL 5>6
US PHL-ITH JUL 4>5 AUG 4>5
Jeez...enough with the PHL-LGA RTs.
*US PHL-LGA JUL 13>14 AUG 10>13 SEP 10>12 OCT 10>12 NOV 10>12 DEC 10>12
US PHL-MKE JUL 4>5
US PHL-ROC JUL 6>7 AUG 6>7
US PHL-YHZ JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
US PHL-YOW JUL 4>3
US PHL-YQB JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

First of all, can we stop complaining about PHL-LGA? The fact of the matter is that due to the Air Wisconsin crew base in LGA, they have to still have a lot of flights to PHL without making LGA-CLT all CRJ-200s, which I know no one wants. The second thing is, there are people on these flights and US does make money on them as strange as that seems. Thirdly, having a bunch of LGA helps in IROPS because it gives the agents a little more flexibility in routing pax, not to mention having easy flights to cancel to help PHL out. Lastly, they have to use their slots somewhere, and even if they wanted to get rid of them, the DOT wasn't going to let DL get any more slots out of the deal, so realistically, what choice does US have?

That rant over....a few frequency additions in PHL. I am surprised that YQB is adding a 4th flight as those flights only seem to be 60 percent full at best (usually 40 percent). MKE is a no brainer, and that will help Air Wisconsin with getting planes to and from their MKE MX hangar. The upstate NY flights will help make up for the LGA service lost in the slot deal as they actually did connect PAX in LGA strangely enough. YOW dropping a PHL makes sense as there is now 3 DCA-YOW's and a CLT-YOW that they can route people over. YHZ going to four a day is something I thought already happened, or this could be a seasonal adjustment as well.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

*9K BHB-BOS

This is Cape Air taking over the EAS route from Colgan, hence the US change on the same route. This is an EAS route that has done well historically, and I think Cape Air will do well with this one.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK FLL-ZSA SEP 0.2>0

must be time to re-bid the ClubMed contract, unless somebody else already got it
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:28 pm

Quoting MountainFlyer (Reply 1):
I don't suppose there is much left that isn't already covered by MSP or ATL.

It's a little strange to see them pull that MSP, however, because as they shrink the hub they need those hub routes to cover the traffic.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU LAX-PVG
HU ORD-PEK
HU ORD-PVG
Code-share on AA services.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 3):
AA codeshare. Weird that it's showing up in OAG.

Ahh, I wondered what that was. HU probably just forgot or doesn't know how to mark the flights properly as a duplicate in their OAG filing.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Interesting. Yes, doubling SFO-PDX is certainly a good move

Just for a month, though.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
And PSP showing no flights in December is certainly odd but as that is 8 months out, things could change...

Actually, they also deleted PSP from January. There is no resumption date now. They do not have a FEB schedule filed. T100 shows it had a 61% LF in 12/2011 which was the first month reported. That's poor, but not atypical for a first month. Perhaps they already gave up on it ala SNA? Another possibility is that they are seeking a subsidy of some sort and removed it for more leverage.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
This year for example it ends in about 2-weeks (Apr 30)
Not sure what their planned restart date is. (was Dec 15th last year).

It looks like they are suspending it unless it is a schedule error. I don't think the VX product works well on short-haul except to LAS. I question the supposed plan to add LAX-SMF.

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
First of all, can we stop complaining about PHL-LGA?

No, we cannot. They are wasting slots and they should go to B6 or WN or somebody else.

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
The fact of the matter is that due to the Air Wisconsin crew base in LGA, they have to still have a lot of flights to PHL without making LGA-CLT all CRJ-200s, which I know no one wants.
Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
Lastly, they have to use their slots somewhere

It's all about the slots and I wouldn't keep bringing it up if they didn't keep increasing and increasing the flights on the route. It's a joke.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:53 pm

I'll complain about the flights

There are 15 flights today LGA-PHL

This claimed money maker route has:
1 E190
9 Dash 8s
4 CRJs
1 ERJ

There is 0 local traffic. Zero!

The slots are highly coveted by other airlines (especially LCCs) that will use them to fly places with mainline equipment. 9 Dash 8s vs 9 320s with 150 seats.

Assuming the 320s have 150 seats and a flat 50 seats for the Dash 8s (and that is being generous)

100 more people per flight x 9 flights = 900 more people per day. Assuming a cab ride to the city for half that group at 30 dollars a pop.

That is $13,500 being pumped into our local economy a day. $94,500 per year. $4.9 million per year.

That is real money


In an unregulated market, US has every right to serve its hub in PHL how it sees fit. But when you have a slot controlled airport, that should not be the case.

AND I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were no slots, you would not see 9 flights a day on turboprops.

They are slot squatting, plain and simple
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
PSP was always meant to be seasonal. This year for example it ends in about 2-weeks (Apr 30)
Not sure what their planned restart date is. (was Dec 15th last year). I guess they must have done OK however as they did extend the service several weeks this spring from its original end date

Yes, a seasonal route for sure. But no service (as of now) planned in December? (Even December seems a bit late to me to be starting a sun-and-fun, warm-weather, golf-and-swimming destination flight -- and only a single, 90-minute, intra-state flight at that...)

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
The added PDX flight is as follows:
VX818 SFO-PDX 1600-1750
VX819 PDX-SFO 1835-2025
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
Just for a month, though.

Hmmmm. Thanks for the info guys. So apparently VX won't be changing the original flight to an a.m. r/t? And the second flight is only for a month? Well, who am I to question David Cush and his team? But they sure aren't making a big impressive splash at their newest city! (Perhaps the incentive package offered by Portland just wasn't up to Virgin's usual standards.   )

It will be very interesting to see the near-term future plans of Virgin at PDX and how it all works out for all concerned.

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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:13 pm

So let's just revoke every slot flown by something with less than 150 seats and give them to airlines that will fly 737s or A320s into LGA. That should fix all of the problems in NYC.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
100 more people per flight x 9 flights = 900 more people per day. Assuming a cab ride to the city for half that group at 30 dollars a pop.

That is $13,500 being pumped into our local economy a day. $94,500 per year. $4.9 million per year.

That is real money

Oh, add in the hotel and food and it is 10 or 20 times that.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
AND I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were no slots, you would not see 9 flights a day on turboprops.

They are slot squatting, plain and simple

PHL-LGA is 1.1% local according to DOT and carries an average of 28 passengers per flight.

If it were being allocated for anything other than slot-sitting it would have maybe one mainline to cover the Atlantic bank and 5 or 6 other flights per day. DCA-PHL has 8 flights per day and they are BOTH hubs for US.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
There is 0 local traffic. Zero!

Ah common, lets not exaggerate now.

Per DOT well over 170,000 people flew the US LGA-PHL route in the last 12-months.

And believe it or not, local O&D is 515 folks daily between NYC and PHL, so there clearly is some demand for flights between the cities.


Also keep in min that, for US Airways, NYC is an important and large market, and these flights allow it to sell its entire network to the NYC market by routing people LGA-PHL-XXX.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
AND I have a sneaking suspicion that if there were no slots, you would not see 9 flights a day on turboprops.

They are slot squatting, plain and simple

I believe they used to run about 20 dash 8's on this. I wouldn't call 9 so bad. What should they fly to their hub that's a stones throw away? More RJ's?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):

Ah common, lets not exaggerate now.

Per DOT well over 170,000 people flew the US LGA-PHL route in the last 12-months.

And believe it or not, local O&D is 515 folks daily between NYC and PHL, so there clearly is some demand for flights between the cities.


Also keep in min that, for US Airways, NYC is an important and large market, and these flights allow it to sell its entire network to the NYC market by routing people LGA-PHL-XXX.

Thank you...finally someone gets it  

As I said before and I will say it again, what is USAirways supposed to do with the slots? If they had tried to divest them to Delta in the deal giving them even more slots, the DOT and DOJ would not have approved the slot deal, period. The other option would be to divest the slots to someone else. But who? Even though B6 has an LGA presence, any more LGA slots could risk undermining JFK. UA could have a use for them, but they have the EWR hub and a significant amount of service to both ORD and IAH from LGA, so I don't think they would get them. AA is bankrupt and can't afford the slots. F9 isn't going to have a use for 10 LGA-DEN flights, nor would it be profitable for them. VX wouldn't have a use for them since their big hubs are beyond perimeter. Realistically, the only carrier I could see that would make good use of the slots would be WN. The question is though, how much does WN want to expose their network to LGA? Clearly it's an airport they serve, but given the way WN operates, too much service at a delay proned airport won't help their operation out, and given current routes out of LGA, unless they wanted to add DEN service, I just don't see how it would help WN long term.


That does beg the question though? In the initial slot deal, US said they wanted to maintain ILM-LGA service as their only non hub flight? They decided not to...but wouldn't 3X daily on that route if they wanted to, allow them to only run 9 PHL-LGA's?

One last thing. We are only talking about maybe 1 extra flight an hour in LGA. One flight is not going to make that much of a difference in terms of easing the traffic congestion in LGA.

So again, I will say. Quit complaining about PHL-LGA. It's not going anywhere, and quite frankly myself and many A.Net people are sick of the constant complaining about this that will do absolutely nothing. If you are that upset by it, write Doug and Scott a letter please.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
apodino

As noted above also, KS is starting BHB-BOS too in June. They will supplement 9K in the summer season. 9K will fly alone in the off season.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):

Clearly, the only reason that these flights remained was the Air Wisconsin base. After all, it was a big decision in the RDU flights... Oh wait....
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:52 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU LAX-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PEK MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Code-share on AA services.

Someone i know at LAX told me that HU is actually sending their metal there.... is HU part of OW or something?

If not the case, again interesting it's on the OAG.


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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 15):
I believe they used to run about 20 dash 8's on this. I wouldn't call 9 so bad. What should they fly to their hub that's a stones throw away? More RJ's?

As they waited for the sale of slots to DL to happen, they stashed more and more slots on LGA-PHL, but now they are doing it again.

Quoting apodino (Reply 16):
As I said before and I will say it again, what is USAirways supposed to do with the slots?

Oh, I'm sure B6 wouldn't pay top dollar for them. :p

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

I think the demise of the CVG hub has been good for the other airlines in CVG. DL used to fly CVG-YYZ up against AC, so I'm sure it is great compared to that!

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
again, thanks for the report Enilria

 
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Someone i know at LAX told me that HU is actually sending their metal there.... is HU part of OW or something?

Its code-share on all 3 of AA's China routes. They applied with the DOT back in December for this.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

I think the demise of the CVG hub has been good for the other airlines in CVG. DL used to fly CVG-YYZ up against AC, so I'm sure it is great compared to that!

DL still flies CVG-YYZ
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
First of all, can we stop complaining about PHL-LGA? The fact of the matter is that due to the Air Wisconsin crew base in LGA, they have to still have a lot of flights to PHL without making LGA-CLT all CRJ-200s, which I know no one wants. The second thing is, there are people on these flights and US does make money on them as strange as that seems. Thirdly, having a bunch of LGA helps in IROPS because it gives the agents a little more flexibility in routing pax, not to mention having easy flights to cancel to help PHL out. Lastly, they have to use their slots somewhere, and even if they wanted to get rid of them, the DOT wasn't going to let DL get any more slots out of the deal, so realistically, what choice does US have?

+1 Completely agree. The whining gets old and is a turn off. Of course I'll get flamed now for calling out someones well known attitude.

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
The slots are highly coveted by other airlines (especially LCCs) that will use them to fly places with mainline equipment. 9 Dash 8s vs 9 320s with 150 seats.

Look at all that mainline flying Delta added. Mmmhmm. Guarantee mainline flying will go in there.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 12):

So let's just revoke every slot flown by something with less than 150 seats and give them to airlines that will fly 737s or A320s into LGA. That should fix all of the problems in NYC.

Why stop there? Allow airlines to operate sub 150 seat aircraft, but the aircraft may not fly to a city the larger than a "Small Hub" as classified for the DOT. That should help expand service...right? LOL
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
HU ORD-PEK MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
HU ORD-PVG MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

Dang and I thought ORD was getting a new carrier. I was all smiles to be disappointed.

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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:21 pm

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Is this a net-new flight or an FL trade?
*WN DEN-MKE JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 1.4>3 SEP 1.0>3 OCT 1.0>3
WN LAS-MKE OCT 3>4
WN MKE-PHX OCT 1.9>3

All three of these are trades from AirTran. DEN-MKE has been 2x WN / 1x FL. It was planned to go to 1x WN / 2x FL in August and for fall. The new adjustments have all DEN -MKE going to Southtwest in June (which is probably for the best considering DEN-MKE was pretty dismal as of late for FL). By October, all westbound flying out of Milwaukee will be on Southwest, save for 1x SFO and MKE-MSP.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Jeez...enough with the PHL-LGA RTs.

Why are you complaining about PHL-LGA and slot holding when PHL-DCA has just about the same amount of flights as I posted below? No complaints from you regarding that and DCA is also a slot airport?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHL-DCA JUL 10>9 AUG 10>9
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Are they closing it?
*VX PSP-SFO DEC 1.0>0

As mentioned it was Seasonal, and was a JFK-SFO-PSP routing same flight...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN AUS-DAL JUN 11>12 JUL 11>12
*WN AUS-PDX JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0
WN BOS-STL JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3

All Seasonal, the PDX-AUS addition is a through flight to DAL, hence why you see an increase there too.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

ECP must be doing better than we all thought.
*WN ECP-STL JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0

Maybe..also seasonal, all ending in August, end of Summer.

I was surprised by ECP-STL but I think this speaks more for STL and not ECP. Northwest Florida Pan Handle is a VERY strong market for the midwest, STL in particular, STL rarely is every without a flight to that area whether by scheduled or chartered flying.

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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 10):
The slots are highly coveted by other airlines (especially LCCs)

Then those LCC's should call US and make an offer. DL did it and US listened. Make the right offer and they'll probably listen again.

But until then, they belong to US to do with as they wish. Plain and simple.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:51 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 16):
As I said before and I will say it again, what is USAirways supposed to do with the slots? If they had tried to divest them to Delta in the deal giving them even more slots, the DOT and DOJ would not have approved the slot deal, period. The other option would be to divest the slots to someone else. But who? Even though B6 has an LGA presence, any more LGA slots could risk undermining JFK. UA could have a use for them, but they have the EWR hub and a significant amount of service to both ORD and IAH from LGA, so I don't think they would get them. AA is bankrupt and can't afford the slots. F9 isn't going to have a use for 10 LGA-DEN flights, nor would it be profitable for them. VX wouldn't have a use for them since their big hubs are beyond perimeter. Realistically, the only carrier I could see that would make good use of the slots would be WN. The question is though, how much does WN want to expose their network to LGA? Clearly it's an airport they serve, but given the way WN operates, too much service at a delay proned airport won't help their operation out, and given current routes out of LGA, unless they wanted to add DEN service, I just don't see how it would help WN long term.

Also, you neglect to mention (but further helps your point) that by US cutting back to a level of 5x or so a day on PHL-LGA would significantly weaken their position in the New York market for flows over Philadelphia. Yes, there isn't a ton of local traffic (I was actually surprised the number was that high). But there are many cities that PHL is a logical connecting point for that don't have a viable alternative into LaGuardia - cutting back too much on PHL-LGA would hurt US in those flows rather significantly - US still wants to compete on routes such as CLE-LGA; not everyone might want to take the nonstop flight (especially if US has a lower price versus a nonstop premium on Delta or Continental). Cutting back significantly would hurt US' position on a lot of those midwest/northeast markets into LaGuardia where it might not make sense to go all the way down to Charlotte then back up to New York.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-PSC SEP 6>5 OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5

So this is where the plane comes from to run PDX-PSC, which I'm surprised did not make it on the update.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*VX PDX-SFO JUL 1.0>1.8
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

The added PDX flight is as follows:
VX818 SFO-PDX 1600-1750
VX819 PDX-SFO 1835-2025

Yeah I think we all thought 1 flight was not a good start, glad to see they are increasing the number of flights to give the route a good shot, I thought VX would be a good match for the PDX culture. Not sure how the new times look against the original flight time when VX announced their PDX service.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting silentbob (Reply 12):
So let's just revoke every slot flown by something with less than 150 seats and give them to airlines that will fly 737s or A320s into LGA. That should fix all of the problems in NYC.

Actually there are some people that wanted to do just that. Of course, many places would lose service altogether if they couldn't fill a 737/320.
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:26 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Ah common, lets not exaggerate now.

Per DOT well over 170,000 people flew the US LGA-PHL route in the last 12-months.

I'm not sure where you are getting your data, but the O&D between NYC (all airports) and PHL was 18 passengers/day in the 3RD QTR of 2011.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 14):
Also keep in min that, for US Airways, NYC is an important and large market, and these flights allow it to sell its entire network to the NYC market by routing people LGA-PHL-XXX.

NYC is so important that US just decimated it's network at LGA and left itself nothing more than a token player in the market??? US is now a distant fifth place in the NYC market (behind UA, DL, AA, B6).

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 28):

Also, you neglect to mention (but further helps your point) that by US cutting back to a level of 5x or so a day on PHL-LGA would significantly weaken their position in the New York market for flows over Philadelphia.

Not really as most markets leaving from PHL don't have more than 5 flights a day. I can see US having about 6-8 flights on the PHL-LGA routing, but beyond that it is a waste.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:58 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

I think the demise of the CVG hub has been good for the other airlines in CVG. DL used to fly CVG-YYZ up against AC, so I'm sure it is great compared to that!

DL still flies CVG-YYZ

Really? They must be flying out of spite. Think of all the other stuff with no competition they have dropped.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 23):
The whining gets old and is a turn off. Of course I'll get flamed now for calling out someones well known attitude.

It seems like every week somebody says I hate DL or WN or F9 or US. I guess I keep things even at least.   I hate actions that are not friendly to the traveling public (or sometimes employees of the airlines), not specific carriers.

Quoting kordcj (Reply 24):
Btw thanks enilria for posting these reports.

 
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 26):
Why are you complaining about PHL-LGA and slot holding when PHL-DCA has just about the same amount of flights as I posted below? No complaints from you regarding that and DCA is also a slot airport?

There are 50% more slots on PHL-LGA than DCA. As others have pointed out, they are flying more PHL-DCA flights than there are connecting banks and there is effectively no local market (1%) to justify non-bank trips. It's pretty obvious math that they flights are not economically optimized. They are just blocking slots. They should sell them to B6/WN/etc. Before they didn't do that to protect their other slot holdings, but it makes less sense that they are now a smaller player. They should sell the BOS-LGA section of the shuttle along with all these surplus slots. It's the best move for the shareholders and the traveling public. They are probably just waiting to see if a merger happens before doing that.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 26):
As mentioned it was Seasonal, and was a JFK-SFO-PSP routing same flight...

Yes, but they deleted the seasonal resumption. It appears dead unless it is a mistake.

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 28):
Cutting back significantly would hurt US' position on a lot of those midwest/northeast markets into LaGuardia where it might not make sense to go all the way down to Charlotte then back up to New York.

Again, they don't need more flights than there are connecting banks. It is just as simple as that.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 30):
Quoting silentbob (Reply 12):
So let's just revoke every slot flown by something with less than 150 seats and give them to airlines that will fly 737s or A320s into LGA. That should fix all of the problems in NYC.

Actually there are some people that wanted to do just that. Of course, many places would lose service altogether if they couldn't fill a 737/320.

When there is a constrained resource shouldn't it go to those who can utilize it most effectively? Do we allow bicycles on the interstate?

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 31):
Not really as most markets leaving from PHL don't have more than 5 flights a day. I can see US having about 6-8 flights on the PHL-LGA routing, but beyond that it is a waste.

Exactly
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 32):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

I think the demise of the CVG hub has been good for the other airlines in CVG. DL used to fly CVG-YYZ up against AC, so I'm sure it is great compared to that!

DL still flies CVG-YYZ

Really? They must be flying out of spite. Think of all the other stuff with no competition they have dropped.

Couldn't tell you if they're doing it out of spite or not, but it still runs 3x daily on DL Connection in addition to AC's 1.5 daily flights. Given that AC started the route 3x daily, it would seem that DL is giving them a run for their money, but with pax being able to pre-clear at YYZ and UA handling the flight in CVG, I guess the cost of maintaining the flight is pretty low for them to keep the route around at such a low frequency.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL MEM-MSP SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3

Goes to show you how weak the Memphis market is without connections compared to say CVG that's still holding its own. I wouldn't be surprised if it's that 6am departure that their dropping. That flight sells pretty much zero seats and is there just to reposition the mainline a/c out of MSP to MEM.

Quoting enilria (Reply 32):
Again, they don't need more flights than there are connecting banks. It is just as simple as that.

Just for this market or in general? What about Delta's hourly fligts to MCO from ATL? or to LGA?
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:43 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Given that AC started the route 3x daily, it would seem that DL is giving them a run for their money, but with pax being able to pre-clear at YYZ and UA handling the flight in CVG, I guess the cost of maintaining the flight is pretty low for them to keep the route around at such a low frequency.

If memory serves, DL had dropped it, but re-entered exactly when AC did...or am I thinking of CVG-YUL?

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
Goes to show you how weak the Memphis market is without connections compared to say CVG that's still holding its own.

I think that's true. I haven't looked at the numbers, but I'd assume MEM is smaller O&D than CVG.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 34):
What about Delta's hourly fligts to MCO from ATL?

There is a substantial local market on that route so connections are not the only thing that is important. PHL-LGA is 1% local. MCO-ATL is probably 40%. Additionally, DL has 1000 flights per day from ATL so the concept of connecting banks there is already blurry.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 35):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Given that AC started the route 3x daily, it would seem that DL is giving them a run for their money, but with pax being able to pre-clear at YYZ and UA handling the flight in CVG, I guess the cost of maintaining the flight is pretty low for them to keep the route around at such a low frequency.

If memory serves, DL had dropped it, but re-entered exactly when AC did...or am I thinking of CVG-YUL?

I think you might be right. DL only just recently dropped CVG-YUL, but I recall some one mentioning DL had brought back YUL when AC started as a good amount of pax on AC would be connecting to YUL and DL kind of wanted to pre-empt them on the traffic.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:32 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 33):
Quoting enilria (Reply 32):
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 22):
Quoting enilria (Reply 20):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC CVG-YYZ MAY 1.7>1.5

How is this route doing? I haven't heard anything about it since it started.

I think the demise of the CVG hub has been good for the other airlines in CVG. DL used to fly CVG-YYZ up against AC, so I'm sure it is great compared to that!

DL still flies CVG-YYZ

Really? They must be flying out of spite. Think of all the other stuff with no competition they have dropped.

Couldn't tell you if they're doing it out of spite or not, but it still runs 3x daily on DL Connection in addition to AC's 1.5 daily flights.

My dad has flown this route a few times, so I called him about it yesterday, and he says that each time it's overbooked. I don't think DL is going to give up this route then, based on that, and what you guys said.

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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 32):
They are probably just waiting to see if a merger happens before doing that.

You may be onto something here. Since US is trying to tie up with AA, having a few extra LGA slots does help in that regard.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 4/13/2012: US/VX/WN

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:51 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 36):
I think you might be right. DL only just recently dropped CVG-YUL, but I recall some one mentioning DL had brought back YUL when AC started as a good amount of pax on AC would be connecting to YUL and DL kind of wanted to pre-empt them on the traffic.

I think AC added MEM-YYZ during that same battle.

Quoting apodino (Reply 38):
Quoting enilria (Reply 32):
They are probably just waiting to see if a merger happens before doing that.

You may be onto something here. Since US is trying to tie up with AA, having a few extra LGA slots does help in that regard.

OTOH, if the merger with AA goes South I wonder if they will sell that stuff to B6/WN. There really is no reason for US to block those slots so DL has less competition.