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Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:42 pm

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:48 pm

Nice add. I think UAL's transcontinental network from SFO is lacking a few key pieces, RDU was one. Hopefully the local market can generate enough traffic to keep this one on the schedule.

I'd like to see MIA, ATL, TPA added as well.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:54 pm

Great add for United just surprised they are not using a 319 or 73G until they see how this new market performs.

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:56 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 1):
I'd like to see MIA, ATL, TPA added as well.

SFO-IND is another one.

Back in the day UA used to fly SFO-MIA and ATL. MIA had 767s and 777s (back when it was a mini hub for UA) and ATL was mainly 733's (yes, hard to believe I know.) Considering AA flies SFO-MIA several times a day I would think a well timed 319, 320, or 738 would be perfect. I think UA would be a bit more skeptical about starting ATL again considering DL is so strong on ATL-SFO. Not sure about how well TPA-SFO would be although TPA-DEN seems to do well using 757s.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
1 Daily 738. Awesome addition UA!

Flight should do fine with the tech/medical trade traffic back and forth, plus UA's connex to Asia/Hawaii.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:13 pm

I'd love to see SFO-CLT.

I think it would work, even with US on the route.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:15 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 5):

Yeah definitely. I think a 739ER would be the best for that route.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:17 pm

I'd Love to See SFO-BNA, but seeing as how United seems to hate Nashville (every single flight is an ERJ while every other legacy carrier flies mainline). Southwest flew BNA-OAK for a few years, but SFO would allow for much better Asian connections. If AA can make BNA-LAX work double daily on B738 and Southwest with 2x daily to LAX and SAN, Then UA should be able to make SFO-BNA work with an A319.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:31 pm

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 2):
Great add for United just surprised they are not using a 319 or 73G until they see how this new market performs

For April the 737 flightss will increase in LAX,DEN,SFO and ORD.

While the Airbus will go to CLE,EWR, and IAH.

Similiar approach around Sept.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 3):
SFO-IND is another one.

Back in the day UA used to fly SFO-MIA and ATL. MIA had 767s and 777s (back when it was a mini hub for UA) and ATL was mainly 733's (yes, hard to believe I know.) Considering AA flies SFO-MIA several times a day I would think a well timed 319, 320, or 738 would be perfect. I think UA would be a bit more skeptical about starting ATL again considering DL is so strong on ATL-SFO. Not sure about how well TPA-SFO would be although TPA-DEN seems to do well using 757s.

I've been hoping for SFO-OMA on a CR7. MCI-SFO is now 2x daily. I would think that OMA-SFO could be 1x daily, plus it would connect to the UA pacific flights if timed right.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:42 pm

I'm still wondering if RDU is high on AS's list to start from SEA. There have been abortive attempts at SJC-RDU too as another "nerd bird" route, but not sure if AS would try this one too since SJC-AUS didn't work as they'd hoped.

Anybody see a chance of AS starting SEA-RDU soon?
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):

Would be nice but I don't see SFO-BNA happening. BNA-LAX on AA is really there for entertainment industry folks. Not sure what kind of demand there would be for BNA-SFO.

I think we got the shortlist in tact. UA can probably think to add SFO-MIA/CLT/OMA with possibility of SFO-IND/TPA as well.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):
I'm still wondering if RDU is high on AS's list to start from SEA. There have been abortive attempts at SJC-RDU too as another "nerd bird" route, but not sure if AS would try this one too since SJC-AUS didn't work as they'd hoped.

Anybody see a chance of AS starting SEA-RDU soon?

O&D is not insignificant - the BTS data shows anywhere from 250 to 300 pax/day in the market. Add in connections and some leakage from GSO, etc. and you might have a daily 738. However, that would still be one of the smallest Lower 48 markets for AS mainline from SEA. Only TUS would be similar in market size - every other city, including the other new destinations, MCI and PHL, are much larger markets.

The other problem is opportunity cost - AS might find better value in a frequency boost somewhere else, or new service to another spoke.

Still, this announcement gives me hope that SEA-RDU is potentially viable.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:04 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Thread starter):
1 Daily 738.

Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 14):

Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?

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RE: UA To Start SFO-RDU On 8/15

Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:22 pm

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
If AA can make BNA-LAX work double daily on B738

Hollywood entertainment connections make this work.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
Southwest with 2x daily to LAX and SAN,

Southwest has a huge flier base in Nashville and they carry alot of transit pax through here on those flights.

Quoting ipodguy7 (Reply 7):
Then UA should be able to make SFO-BNA work with an A319.

Not unless they run a 319 up from IAH. Right now all the new flying from pmUA hubs is either gonna be CR7 or 737 because thats where there is some slack in the fleet. 319/320s are migrating to pmCO hubs right now.

Quoting ORDBOSEWR (Reply 14):
Isn't is PMCO approach to scheduling to use the 738 as a placeholder and it can then be swapped for G,8 or 9?

True, but the 73G fleet is spread pretty thin, they probably really will use the 738.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:24 pm

I can't find the article off hand but I know a company from Asia is opening its headquarters in the RDU area. They make Wind Turbines so this could be part of why we gained this service. Congrats to RDU!!! Now if we can just keep LAX as once daily we'd be set!
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:56 pm

Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 18):
Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??

They have new 737s coming in all the time. Plus IAH and EWR have swapped some 73s for Airbus and 757s in the schedule.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:06 pm

Quoting avi8 (Reply 18):
Where are they getting this aircraft availability from??
Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):

They have new 737s coming in all the time. Plus IAH and EWR have swapped some 73s for Airbus and 757s in the schedule.

Unlike the widebody fleet, UA's 737 utilization is somewhat low. There is a lot of slack in the 737 fleet, with more on the way as correctly noted.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Great news! UA has been "teasing" the RDU market with this flight for about 10 years. Nice to see them actually test the waters. I hope it's successful.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 13):
Only TUS would be similar in market size - every other city, including the other new destinations, MCI and PHL, are much larger markets.

Are you joking? TUS has about a third of the number of Pax per year as RDU.

MCI has only 10% or so more pax. It's much more similar to RDU than TUS.

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting rduddji (Reply 21):
Are you joking? TUS has about a third of the number of Pax per year as RDU.

MCI has only 10% or so more pax. It's much more similar to RDU than TUS

Not joking.  

I was talking about the TUS-SEA and RDU-SEA markets specifically, not the size of the TUS or RDU markets overall. SEA-TUS and SEA-RDU have roughly similar passenger numbers according to the BTS.

The RDU-Bay Area market is roughly 2x larger than RDU-SEA, and realistically, only AS would operate an SEA flight.

I wonder if VX was interested in RDU...
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:39 pm

I wonder if Delta will make the LAX flight daily now.. Using the 737-700... I can only hope so... Seems like, from the article, the problem with the LAX flight is the times.. They want it to match the SFO times.. Wonder if Delta is listening to that..
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 23):
I wonder if Delta will make the LAX flight daily now.. Using the 737-700... I can only hope so... Seems like, from the article, the problem with the LAX flight is the times.. They want it to match the SFO times.. Wonder if Delta is listening to that..

What was Delta using when they did do it, an 800? Did Midway ever do west coast flying?
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:54 pm

All I can say is about time. UA should have been flying this for years given the high tech community in both cities.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:22 pm

Quoting jblua320 (Reply 24):
Did Midway ever do west coast flying?

I know they flew or were starting RDU-SJC. I'm not sure if they ever flew anywhere else out west. I seem to remember SJC being added shortly before the end.
 
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:27 pm

JI had nonstop service to LAX and SJC using their A-320s. It didn't last long as they were losing money. Its unfortunate the Yellow Tails aren't around anymore!
Just saw on the news they are planning to use a 218 seat 737..would that be the 800 or 900?

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Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 27):
Just saw on the news they are planning to use a 218 seat 737..would that be the 800 or 900?

That's about the capacity of a 757-300.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 25):
All I can say is about time. UA should have been flying this for years given the high tech community in both cities.

Correct, but SJC on AA was impossible to compete with.

The new UA is going to be more aggressive.

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:25 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 28):
That's about the capacity of a 757-300.

Then i would assume the article is wrong haha but nevertheless here is the link.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:47 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 29):

The new UA is going to be more aggressive.

I agree with you on this one. Ever since the merger, UA has been announcing new routes left and right.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:03 am

I also noticed DEN ATL flights in our trip patterns for May.. Finally.... I always amazed we downgraded that years ago to a regional.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:13 am

It is ridiculous that UA doesn't run SFO-ATL non-stop.

But congrats to RDU! Hopefully will be a success...
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:17 am

Sweet! This was at the top of my list of domestic destinations I was hoping UA would add from SFO.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:18 am

Hope it works out. I'm just surprised of the timing in this high priced fuel environment. That's a long flight, so the yields will have to be there.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:49 am

Wooo! This is what I'm talking about!

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:57 am

We used to have SFO ATL mainline.....sigh. We also used to have 4 mainline IAD ATL as well.. in 2003 I rememver we had 9 ORD ATL flights!!!
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:12 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
Hope it works out. I'm just surprised of the timing in this high priced fuel environment. That's a long flight, so the yields will have to be there.

Cisco Systems, Intel, Intersil, National Semiconductor, NetApp, and Open-Silicon are some of the Bay-Area-based companies that have operations in the Research Triangle Park area. Other tech companies in the area include IBM, Lenovo, Microsoft, Red Hat, Qualcomm, Sony Ericsson, and EMC Corporation.

In short, there are plenty of business ties between RTP and Silicon Valley. This flight should be able to make money.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:19 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 33):
It is ridiculous that UA doesn't run SFO-ATL non-stop.

They did for years.

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 35):
Hope it works out. I'm just surprised of the timing in this high priced fuel environment. That's a long flight, so the yields will have to be there.

This route will literally print cash. I'm pleased they're doing it.

This is going to be quite the airline now that they have a narrowbody fleet to fly.

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Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 33):
It is ridiculous that UA doesn't run SFO-ATL non-stop.

I would think UA's massive FF base in the Bay Area would sustain the service even if DL has more flights. Especially, on a route of that length, FF are willing to pay more to fly with their carrier of choice and accrue those miles.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 38):
Bay-Area-based companies that have operations in the Research Triangle Park area. Other tech companies in the area include IBM, Lenovo, Microsoft, Red Hat, Qualcomm, Sony Ericsson, and EMC Corporation.

AA's hub at RDU has really been dismantled, I suppose. Given the above, I would think AA might be able to make the route work.

UA is really getting the most out of their 738! Great news.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:48 am

Congrats to UA and RDU! Hope this really works well!  
Now to business, could an airline make this a hub or UA can make an "African Gateway" so to speak? Its a city with supposedly good yields and isn't a small one at that; and is situated perfectly in the south for a hub of some sorts as US has with CLT and DL with ATL. AA still has the LHR flight and not much more so I guess this shows potential.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 41):
Now to business, could an airline make this a hub or UA can make an "African Gateway" so to speak?

Not a chance...closer to IAD than CLT, plus no feed. RDU's only chance for more TATL is DL.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:54 am

And I will say it again. Continue to look for more route from SFO. As I said in the SFO T-1 opertion thread, there is a reason they are adding more gates. There will be an increase in PMCO 737 flying from SFO.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:52 am

Quoting as739x (Reply 43):
Continue to look for more route from SFO

I hope so because it strikes me that ATL non stop should be on the map for the reasons stated by Chopchop767 if nothong else. Thats a big hole and should be filled soon.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:39 am

Great addition to RDU! but personally I would like to see something like SFO-BDL. I would assume there is a bigger market in the northeast, rather than RDU.
 
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:56 am

Quoting Sulley (Reply 5):
I'd love to see SFO-CLT.

With UA/US code sharing on the route, why not send those passengers on US metal to connect to Asia, saving an aircraft for something else new?

I think it would work, even with US on the route

I think US operates enough flights during the day to cover UA's passengers already, if UA entered the market, I'm sure you will see less US flights, or smaller gauge aircraft on this route.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 10):

Anybody see a chance of AS starting SEA-RDU soon

I bet RDU is on AS's shortlist for service, but with new DCA flight(s), and additional Hawaii frequencies (they still have not started PDX-LIH yet) I think they will be hard pressed to find aircraft for such a long route, they would need a dedicated aircraft for the route.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 13):
Still, this announcement gives me hope that SEA-RDU is potentially viable

Viable yes, going to happen this year, I'd be surprised for reasons I stated above. I love AS, I'd love to see them in twice as many cities, but AS does grow at a solid steady pace, and aircraft deliveries come at a set pace too.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 40):
AA's hub at RDU has really been dismantled, I suppose. Given the above, I would think AA might be able to make the route work.

Too bad AA left RDU, I got to use it once when it was in full force, and it was a nice place to change planes, reminded me of transfering on NW at MEM.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:39 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 11):
I'm stupefied by Harry Potter! Awesomeness!!!!!!!!!

Very nice addition. It is needed as well. However , I have to wonder why they haven't restarted DEN. Perhaps by November they will start it for ski season?
This route will do well with all of the Medical and High Tech industries in the Triangle.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 46):
Too bad AA left RDU, I got to use it once when it was in full force, and it was a nice place to change planes, reminded me of transfering on NW at MEM.

They still have a strong presence here, but their attention is elsewhere.
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:49 pm

Quoting casinterest (Reply 47):
I have to wonder why they haven't restarted DEN.

WN already flies DEN-RDU. That probably dampens UA's prospects on that route.

Quoting boeing71234567 (Reply 45):
I would assume there is a bigger market in the northeast, rather than RDU.

Without even looking at the data, I can tell you with 99% confidence that SFO-RDU is a bigger market than SFO-BDL. Both the Bay Area and the Research Triangle are huge biotech and technology hotspots, so there are lots of economic ties. SFO-Northeast in general is much larger than SFO-RDU, but that's because SFO-NYC and SFO-BOS are massive markets. Not necessarily SFO-BDL.
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RE: UA To Start SFO-RDU On 8/15

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:06 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 48):
WN already flies DEN-RDU. That probably dampens UA's prospects on that route.

That doesn't say much for UA's prospects at DEN though. If that is the casem then maybe UA's move was more preemptive for SFO protection.
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