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787 To IAD And DCA In May

Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:17 pm

According to Jon Ostrower, Boeing will be bringing the 787 to DCA from May 7-11.

"Boeing will bring the 787 to National Airport's 7,169ft runway from May 7-11. First widebody to DCA since December 2008."

According to my inside sources, the 787 will breifly visit IAD before heading to DCA. This is great news and cannot wait to finally see the 787!
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:26 pm

Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies. So I would say IAD and BWI would be the D.C. airports it would visit.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies. So I would say IAD and BWI would be the D.C. airports it would visit.

Not sold on DCA either, but wide bodies have served DCA as recently as Dec. 2008 for Obama's inauguration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loud0P1mZdw

IAD would make plenty of sense since Dulles is an airport that airlines will send the 787 to in the future...
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:41 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies.

Are you sure of that, that it won't happen? Why couldn't the 787 operation into DCA for exhibition purposes? As was noted, widebodies have been there before.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:09 am

It certainly can go to DCA for a exhibition flight. Eastern used to use A300'S in the past as a scheduled flight. They can just have the 787 with fumes in the tank for the 5 min hop from DCA to IAD. The runway is long enough. Hopefully it would take off to the north so it can make that sharp bank by the Pentagon right after taking off!
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:20 am

Quoting working2gether (Thread starter):
"Boeing will bring the 787 to National Airport's 7,169ft runway from May 7-11

7,169 ft. runway? Since when?

When I lived there I thought it was barely a mile in length. They must have done some work on it since then.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:41 am

Hi Iadbudd,
No. Eastern never did operate the A300 on scheduled service into DCA. Eastern made 3 attempts with proving runs for the A300 to operate The Shuttle to/from LGA, but political pressure (so-called larger aircraft mean more noise, and larger aircraft mean more passengers) along with the single-engine performance of the GE powerplants caused Eastern to cease the prospect. So they kept the 727 on the Shuttle routes with backup aircraft on standby should one aircraft fill-up at departure time.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:48 am

Quoting wlwjr (Reply 6):
(so-called larger aircraft mean more noise, and larger aircraft mean more passengers) along with the single-engine performance of the GE powerplants caused Eastern to cease the prospect. So they kept the 727 on the Shuttle routes with backup aircraft on standby should one aircraft fill-up at departure time.

Interesting about the noise. I would think a 3 engine 727 would be much noisier than the 2 engine A300.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:49 am

Hi Contrails,
DCA's runway 1/19 has been going through a nearly 9 month refurbishment. It was recently, very recently lengthend to 7,169 feet from 6,869. They are also replacing the approach light pier to runway 1 as well as other overrun improvments. With all this going on, airlines were advised to have diversion plans in effect should an aircraft skid off the runway because of slippery/non-groved surfaces. Several flights over the past several months diverted to IAD because of failing to meet landing limits on runway 15/33 after 1/19 closed between 2200 and 2300 each weeknight.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:56 am

Quoting iadbudd (Reply 4):
They can just have the 787 with fumes in the tank for the 5 min hop from DCA to IAD.

Without having performance charts, I would guess the 787 could easily take off from DCA and make it non-stop to BFI or PAE with a low payload should they desire.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:04 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):

N62NA,
That is exactly why I mentioned "so called". Not to mention that if the 727 filled up with passengers at departure time, if there was just one more Shuttle customer checked-in, they had their own 727 to LGA....another noise maker.
The politics to bring the A300 into DCA was dramatic which is why it was attempted three times. In the big picture, it was also the afforementioned single-engine performance on a hot day of the GE powerplants and the 2nd Segment climb requirements departing north.

You would not believe I was talking about this very subject just the other day while hanging out at Gravelly Point.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:07 am

Thank you Walter. This was a chapter in aviation history I was completely unaware of.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:09 am

With two full 737-800s departing everyday DCA-SEA, there is no doubt the 787 can depart DCA non-stop to BFI with no payload can make the trip...probably around 4,500 to 5,000 feet of runway needed with a balanced field length right near 7,000.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:12 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies. So I would say IAD and BWI would be the D.C. airports it would visit.

You're wrong. Clearly Jon is right or he wouldn't have said it, and also widebodies can easily serve the airport.

Quoting contrails (Reply 5):
7,169 ft. runway? Since when?

When I lived there I thought it was barely a mile in length. They must have done some work on it since then.

Its been in the 6000s for 30 years.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting working2gether (Thread starter):
National Airport's 7,169ft runway from May 7-11.

It's 6869 ft actually.

That extra 300 feet will take you into Dangerfield Cove at one end of the runway or Roach's Run (slough) at the other.

Of course, without passengers and at minimal takeoff weight -- who knows.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:17 am

Just to clarify, when I mention "political", it was just that. Congress was just as involved as the airlines.
People living near the airport and along the river were calling their congressional representatives citing "no way"....not much different than they do now which is why there is still the requirement for aircraft head up the river 10 miles before turning on course and to come down the river from 10 miles. There are very, very influential people who live in their mansions especially northwest along the Potomac River including several politicians.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:19 am

Runway 1/19 was lengthend less than a week ago to 7,169 feet!
Check http://airnav.com/airport/KDCA
and other approach charts and official publications.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
It's 6869 ft actually.
Quoting wlwjr (Reply 8):
DCA's runway 1/19 has been going through a nearly 9 month refurbishment. It was recently, very recently lengthend to 7,169 feet from 6,869. They are also replacing the approach light pier to runway 1 as well as other overrun improvments


Okay -- my bad. I stand corrected.

I should have read the entire thread before responding.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:25 am

I understand it's difficult to break 6,869 feet since it's been that way for decades.
I have to explain this to Gravelly Point visitors when I visit 3 times a week and may be difficult to break the habit just like when they changed from 36 to 1. I don't know how many times either I or the controller called it 36 weeks to months after the designation change.


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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:28 am

Of all the crappy luck!  

I am just now in the process of moving permanently from DC to Seattle, and only after I leave do they bring the big bird into DCA. I would have done whatever I needed to to be there to see it take off.

Don't forget that DL has brought scheduled 767-300A service into DCA on a variety of occasions, most recently for President Obama's inauguration.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:34 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies.
Quoting contrails (Reply 5):
When I lived there I thought it was barely a mile in length. They must have done some work on it since then.

"Barely a mile" would put the runway at ~5,000 feet, a distance completely unsuitable for anything much bigger than a turboprop or bizjet. Obviously the runway has handled big jets for decades, though, so it's been right around 7,000 for quite some time.

The airport doesn't handle regular widebodies, but it's plenty big enough for a vising 787. I don't know why people are so suprised by this. LGA used to handle 767-400's pretty regularly, and their runway is actually slightly shorter than DCA's current 7100.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:44 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 20):
Barely a mile" would put the runway at ~5,000 feet, a distance completely unsuitable for anything much bigger than a turboprop or bizjet.

Any narrowbody can use 5,000ft. with the appropriate payload. Look at Santos Dumont, SNA, EYW...
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:16 am

Oh man, would I love to be at Gravelly Point when that bird flies in or out! I'll have to rely on some great shots from other a.nutters!
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):

For the record, the Delta 767-300 operated at DCA only for Obama's Inauguration with 4 flights...not before except for the live proving flight the previous December 8th (or was it the 9th?).

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:27 am

I know of the shortest field I have seen a widebody operate from was LGA on DL with a 762. You would have to do a static takeoff in order to get the necessary thrust to move the airplane off 1/19 at DCA. I remember watching the 727's of US, DL and TW taking off and then getting just enough airborne above Gravelly Point to clear the park.


I would wonder the reasoning to bring the 787 to DCA. Like I said I see IAD and BWI but not DCA.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:28 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 20):

The airport doesn't handle regular widebodies, but it's plenty big enough for a vising 787. I don't know why people are so suprised by this. LGA used to handle 767-400's pretty regularly, and their runway is actually slightly shorter than DCA's current 7100.

N766UA,
You bring up the LGA example I use all the time explaning DCA's operations and comparing them to other similar airports that have handled the comparable widebodies. Now that the runways are about the same length and LGA's are shorter, I have to revise my FAQ sheet I hand out to visitors at Gravelly Point.

It is important to keep in mind that the widebody issue at DCA is more political than aircraft performance based.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:39 am

Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 22):
Oh man, would I love to be at Gravelly Point when that bird flies in or out!

              
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:41 am

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 21):
Any narrowbody can use 5,000ft. with the appropriate payload. Look at Santos Dumont, SNA, EYW...

Obviously, I mean a 727 landed at Meigs, but the key there is "with the appropriate payload." 5,000 feet is, for all intents and purposes, useless as a main runway for an airport like DCA. SNA is actually 5700 feet, and EYW's longest flight is barely 600 miles. They're really not fair comparisons.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:44 am

Quoting wlwjr (Reply 16):
Runway 1/19 was lengthend less than a week ago to 7,169 feet!
Check http://airnav.com/airport/KDCA
and other approach charts and official publications.


Runway info on airnav says TORA, TODA, ASDA & LDA all still 6,879 feet. I thought the 300 feet was just to give the north end of runway 1 the 1,000 foot safety area, ie: they just basically moved the runway 300 feet to the south.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):

I know of the shortest field I have seen a widebody operate from was LGA on DL with a 762. You would have to do a static takeoff in order to get the necessary thrust to move the airplane off 1/19 at DCA. I remember watching the 727's of US, DL and TW taking off and then getting just enough airborne above Gravelly Point to clear the park.

FutureFO,

This is great conversation only because I was explaning two days ago to Gravelly Point visitors the 727s departing 36 (now 1) in the "old days" lifting off at the threshold "keys", and if you were standing at the extended centerline near the approach lights you were probably thinking about should we be standing here especially on hot days when 727's performance was interesting.

This goes along with the conversation I speak about frequently that in those "old days" it was exciting whether or not DCA was operating north or south. Nowadays with aircraft performance greatly improved, excitement is mostly had when DCA is operating south for obvious reasons. About the only thing to look forward to now when at Gravelly Point and DCA is operating north is the MD-xx on a warm day and the occasional Embraer 170/5/190/5 commander that decides to depart at reduced power.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:48 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
You would have to do a static takeoff in order to get the necessary thrust to move the airplane off 1/19 at DCA.

You could easily take off an empty 747 from DCA and still have a thousand feet to spare.

Signed, CurrentFO.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:50 am

71Zulu,
That is a good point. "Moving the runway 300 feet south is the way it has been descibed in the past as the construction began. So yes, the performance numbers are still basically the same.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:52 am

It is very much true that the 787 will be coming to DCA in May. Runway 1/19 is long enough for it to take off. The main reason widebodies are not approved for regular use is that the taxiways (Kilo and Juliet) are too close to each other and traffic on the opposing taxiway has to be held until the widebody aircraft enters the runway hold point. For example, when Delta operated the 767 for the inauguration no aircraft could taxi down the adjacent taxiway until the aircraft vacated the taxiway - and the 767 had to use Juliet because the wings would have extended into the ramp area if they used Kilo. With real estate and slots at a premium the airport authority does not want to slow down the operation by allowing regular widebody use.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting contrails (Reply 5):
7,169 ft. runway? Since when?

Since this month! They've been working on it at nights for probably the last 3-6 months. (I see them working on it when I'm unfortunate enough to have to work really late.   )

Quoting contrails (Reply 5):
When I lived there I thought it was barely a mile in length.
Quoting wlwjr (Reply 16):
Runway 1/19 was lengthend less than a week ago to 7,169 feet!

YUP!

And MAN, after 34 years on this earth looking at 6800 feet, seeing that northern extension is weird as all get out. It just looks wrong.


But if it gets me a glimpse at a 787, I'll work through my issues.  
Quoting wlwjr (Reply 6):
political pressure (so-called larger aircraft mean more noise, and larger aircraft mean more passengers) along with the single-engine performance of the GE powerplants caused Eastern to cease the prospect.
Quoting N62NA (Reply 7):
Interesting about the noise. I would think a 3 engine 727 would be much noisier than the 2 engine A300.

It is. Hell, I can tell when it's an MD-80 versus any other plane, living here in Alexandria along the flight path. The new jets are just so dramatically quieter.


That all leads me to wonder this: are they bringing in the 787 to show Alexandrians (like myself) that it's really quiet, and we should allow them to fly into DCA?

When they designed the new terminal, they made certain gates large enough to host a widebody, just in case they should ever be allowed in. Maybe now is the time.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
I am just now in the process of moving permanently from DC to Seattle, and only after I leave do they bring the big bird into DCA.

You know, I think you'll be able to spot a few 787s in the Seattle area too. I think.  
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
Obviously, I mean a 727 landed at Meigs, but the key there is "with the appropriate payload." 5,000 feet is, for all intents and purposes, useless as a main runway for an airport like DCA. SNA is actually 5700 feet, and EYW's longest flight is barely 600 miles. They're really not fair comparisons.

A side note: National and later Eastern used 727s for short flights MIA-EYW-MIA when the runway was 4,200 feet, and not quite as critical Air Florida operated 737s into EYW.

...and keep in mind that with the CRJ-100/200s lacking leading edge devices, they don't serve EYW.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
I know of the shortest field I have seen a widebody operate from was LGA on DL with a 762. You would have to do a static takeoff in order to get the necessary thrust to move the airplane off 1/19 at DCA.

Why? It's only going to fly somewhere in the US. Keep in mind how far a 767 is designed to fly and the load its capable of carrying. Any domestic route isn't going to make the plane "work" very hard so to speak. They could probably take a full load down to ATL on a reduced thrust takeoff.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 27):
Obviously, I mean a 727 landed at Meigs, but the key there is "with the appropriate payload." 5,000 feet is, for all intents and purposes, useless as a main runway for an airport like DCA. SNA is actually 5700 feet, and EYW's longest flight is barely 600 miles. They're really not fair comparisons.

fair compared to what?
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 30):

You could easily take off an empty 747 from DCA and still have a thousand feet to spare.

Signed, CurrentFO.

What FutureFo was referring to is back in days, on those warm summer days when the Eastern 727s were full, they would use every bit of runway. And if you were standing at the end of the approach lights along the extended centerline, you would be thinking about moving (running) to eitherside because the main tires left the pavement at the threshold markings.

I have several images of MD-8Xs doing the same thing along with the 727s of yesteryear.

I hope to see some of you at Gravelly Point. I am often there all day on Fridays, Sundays more often if operating south and a selected day during the week until the Park Police tell me to leave.   

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting wlwjr (Reply 16):
Check http://airnav.com/airport/KDCA
and other approach charts and official publications

Why is P-56 split into two areas? Is there any specific landmark to denote these regions? I would have thought the entire lower D.C. (from Whitehurst Freeway southwards) would have been off limits.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:48 pm

Quoting working2gether (Thread starter):
First widebody to DCA since December 2008."

Incorrect.

Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 2):
Dec. 2008 for Obama's inauguration

Come on, you don't know that inaugurations are not in December?

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 19):
Don't forget that DL has brought scheduled 767-300A service into DCA on a variety of occasions, most recently for President Obama's inauguration.

Correct. I don't recall any occassions before this though, so I don't think it can be called "a variety of occassions". As far as I know, it hasn't been back since January 2009.

Quoting wlwjr (Reply 23):
For the record, the Delta 767-300 operated at DCA only for Obama's Inauguration with 4 flights...not before except for the live proving flight the previous December 8th (or was it the 9th?).

I thought it was 3. Was it 4?

Quoting boacvc10 (Reply 37):
Why is P-56 split into two areas?

The small circle is the Vice President's official residence.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 35):
Why? It's only going to fly somewhere in the US. Keep in mind how far a 767 is designed to fly and the load its capable of carrying. Any domestic route isn't going to make the plane "work" very hard so to speak. They could probably take a full load down to ATL on a reduced thrust takeoff.

  

A 762 or 788 would win an equal mission footrace vs. most A32x or 737s (IIRC, non-pilot, armchair recollection). An empty 762 especially is a rocket. Granted, an A318 can probably beat it for STOL, but likely a 788 beats an A320?
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting BigSaabowski (Reply 30):
You could easily take off an empty 747 from DCA and still have a thousand feet to spare. Signed, CurrentFO

Would I be the only who would pay to see that?
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:42 pm

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 1):
Won't happen at DCA. The airport is not setup for Widebodies.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Are you sure of that, that it won't happen? Why couldn't the 787 operation into DCA for exhibition purposes?

Twin aisle aircraft are not allowed to operate there for political, not technical reasons. I am certain an exemption has been made for this 787 visit.

I've seen a DC-10 and DC-8 at DCA. The former was a diversion and the later was one of the hospital aircraft.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:48 pm

with regards to wide bodies and short runways keep in mind that the whatever big wide body jet you pick from the inventory it is designed to fly upwards of 10+ hours with people or carry 100's of thousands of pounds of cargo with ease. This means if you are going to put only 2 hours of fuel into the jet instead of a normal load and also have no people or boxes you have yourself a bonafida rocket ship!

Personally I was recently flying a 777F for a maintenance flight and we had 2 pilots, 2 mechanics in the jumpseat and about 2 hours of gas on the jet. A full power take off was required for the system checks. (we did it standing on the brakes to "test" the power as no of us have ever gotten to do this empty before)
When I released the brakes it felt like the nose hopped off the runway at brake release actually startling me for the first time ever in an airplane and the call outs have never happened so fast before. I honestly couldn't look a the distance remaining markers b/c the callouts and flyign happened so quick the mechanics in the jump seats said we were off in around 3 thousand feet. Also the initial rates of climb were north of 10k ft per minute and we were accelerating at the same time while cleaning up with wing before we pulled teh power back at 10k feet. This is what happens when you take a jet with a max fuel cargo capacity of 220,000 and fly it empty!

With that said, I'm excited to see the 787 in DCA but more excited for someone video the IAD departure to see it perform a nice short field takeoff out of IAD on the hop over!
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 39):
A 762 or 788 would win an equal mission footrace vs. most A32x or 737s (IIRC, non-pilot, armchair recollection). An empty 762 especially is a rocket. Granted, an A318 can probably beat it for STOL, but likely a 788 beats an A320?

Off-topic, but you should see a lightly loaded Boeing test flight 777-300ER or 777-200LR takeoff. That's 115,000 pounds of thrust on each engine and full un-derated takeoff power. I'll bet it's right there with the 762 or A318. The pilots tell me that they basically get slammed right back in their seats when they push the TO/GA switch. One pilot said he's been airborne in 17 seconds in a 77W.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 38):
Quoting gatorman96 (Reply 2):
Dec. 2008 for Obama's inauguration

Come on, you don't know that inaugurations are not in December?

I do, but tell me again why Delta flew 767's to DCA?

I took the date from the OP and didn't think twice about it. Either way, point was made...

[Edited 2012-04-12 10:15:48]
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 38):
I thought it was 3. Was it 4?

4.
1 flight landed on the 20th to make up the early departure on the 21st, while 3 flights landed prior to afternoon that day.
I was there for all of the 767 flights.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyerph...72157613156870347/with/3241982596/

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:20 pm

Boeing official press release says that the aircraft will be visiting DCA. Makes no mention of any other DC area airport, so it's safe to assume that DCA will be the only one seeing the 787 visit.
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:50 pm

washingtonian (Reply 38):
Quoting boacvc10 (Reply 37):
Why is P-56 split into two areas?

The small circle is the Vice President's official residence.

Specifically the U.S. Naval Observatory where he resides.

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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:06 pm

grew up in dc...and worked DCA during the early 70's...both EA/UA/NA wanted widebodies at DCA...EA and UA went so far to each modify a gate to handle them. Both then ran test flights back then EA with a A300 and UA with a DC10-10. UA later had a DC10 diversion. None of it worked...heck it was an argument to get the 757 in back then. NA modified a gate that 'could work' but never dropped a bird in. This was way before the remodel of the airport btw. Was not there for the UA test but was for the EA...whole dang airport lined up at the edge of the ramp to watch the departure....suspect not more than 20 or so onboard the way it climbed out.
 
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RE: 787 To IAD And DCA In May

Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:14 pm

Here is an image of an AA MD-80 using every bit of runway 1 on July 29, 2011.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/flyerphoto/7071536973/in/photostream

Walter