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Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:32 am

Fair use from USA Today:

U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison has a message for any company that wants to take over bankrupt American Airlines: Back off.

In a statement released late last week, the Republican from Texas said she was disturbed by "public reports about hostile takeovers involving American Airlines, including another airline that is communicating directly with American's creditors and unions."

More here, but an interesting development: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...s-to-leave-american-alone/673575/1
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:39 am

I don't see why she is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

[Edited 2012-04-16 20:05:07]
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:40 am

I don't know that there is much she can do about it.

As a Texas resident, I'm not worried because there probably wouldn't be much bloodshed here. DFW would more than likely retain the HQ and the hub size.

[Edited 2012-04-16 19:42:14]
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:40 am

She must be afraid of losing her free upgrades
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:44 am

Kay Bailey Hutchison is a she not a he, anywho, I read the Oklahome governor was also expressing her concern over a takeover. I guess Mr. Horton is calling in favors from politician friends.

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[Edited 2012-04-16 19:45:29]
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):
Kay Bailey Hutchison is a she not a he, anywho, I read the Oklahome governor was also expressing her concern over a takeover.

She did, it was in the Dallas Morning News Aviation blog.

But this is already under discussion in

US "Officially" After AA Merger (by OzarkD9S Apr 9 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:47 am

Quoting chepos (Reply 4):

That's nothing new. The politicians in Georgia had a field day when US tried to take over DL.
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:58 am

Why would she be worried? If US were ever to bid for AA, the first thing they'd do is promise the HQ remains at DFW in order to "buy votes" - regardless which site is cheaper, larger, or more advanced.

They can always bait-n-switch later.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:04 am

Seems more like something to say to get on the record and play at election time. A single senator cannot do a whole lot, but could introduce bills to committees and force subpeonas and make life generally unpleasant. But not really stop it.

In general, I don't think it a truly terrible idea with UA, DL, having already merged with CO, and NW, it would make sense to keep up with the Jones's even if we all saw what happened to Gary Coleman in the film. She should be more open minded and think about what happens if a merger doesn't take place. Would AA be in a better place?
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:04 am

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't see why he is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.  
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:06 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):

I don't see why AS would be interested in the mess of AA right now, I don't really see what AS would be able to befit out of the merger/acquisition besides the new planes and a more national brand name. Maybe that would actually work out pretty well though....

Oh wait, unions.....

[Edited 2012-04-16 20:53:09]
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:11 am

Quoting flyingcaT (Reply 3):
She must be afraid of losing her free upgrades

        

Quoting hz747300 (Reply 8):
Seems more like something to say to get on the record and play at election time.

She is retiring this year. She isn't up for re-election.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.

Alaska wants to merge with American?
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:19 am

Just another politician with an oversized sense of self importance.

Republican or Democrat, they all have no idea how real profit companies work or how real people live.

She will have no influence, especially as a lame duck.

[Edited 2012-04-16 20:25:40]
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:26 am

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 12):
Republican or Democrat, they all have no idea how real profit companies work

This is OT but i'd have to disagree. Most politicians come from either a businss or law background and many VERY rich (not from their government pay checks).
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:56 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.
Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 10):

But why would Boeing buy AA.....?

Boeing isn't headquartered in Seattle.

(I know you were kidding, but still, I'm just saying...)
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:09 am

diamondflyer...All AA did was give TWA employees a job making more money than they were making, cause if AA didnt buy TWA those employees would have been on the street from day 1. AA (stupid) was the only airline that was going to buy them and keep most of TWA routes(had the intention) So since AA was in drivers seat in the buyout the Unions had pull and did what they were supposed to do which was protect their employees. If US buys AA I would suspect the same type of argement will be made. If it is a merger then I would expect a date of hire senority list.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:29 am

LOL. I can just envision a single tear rolling down her cheek as she wrote this.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:34 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 6):
That's nothing new. The politicians in Georgia had a field day when US tried to take over DL.

Yeah Rep James Oberstar (D) MN had a fit over the NW/DL merger said essentially the same thing. Funny how he didn't say a word when NW tossed all their mechanics to the street in 2005. He can kiss my arse and so can all the other clowns in congress. Airlines will do what is best for their bottom line.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:07 am

That senator is crazy. She advocates for a bunch of crap she has no idea about. The senate launch system NASA is building is her doing. She's trying to kill commercial crew, apparently unaware that Boeing and SpaceX are planning major ops in Texas. Good riddance when she retires. The aerospace industry as a whole will finally be able to think a little without the poison she has injected into it.
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:08 am

If AA is calling in all its political muscle, then we could hear from Dick Durbin-IL, Dianne Feinstein-CA, Barbara Boxer-CA, Marco Rubio-FL, and Charles Schumer-NY.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 2):
I don't know that there is much she can do about it.

I wouldn't underestimate one politician, especially one who has nothing to lose. Sen McCain raised Cain when UA tried to buy US(HP)
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:46 am

Yeah I can't think of a single Texas based company that has been involved in a hostile takeover of another financially strapped company  

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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:18 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't see why she is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

I stand corrected but I think her husband has a big job with DFW, perhaps legal counsel for the airport. I cant remember the details.

There are some rumors in DC that some how, some way, a way might be found to extend the Wright amendment so that it doesnt expire about the same time AA is trying to get back on its feet emerging from bankruptcy. I dont know if she is the one who is thinking about propopsing the legislatrion or not.

Frankly, I think nothing will come of it but it is a rumor in DC.

[Edited 2012-04-17 05:26:10]

[Edited 2012-04-17 05:27:14]
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:18 pm

Time to reread my dogeared copy of "Atlas Shrugged".

Sigh.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:33 pm

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 12):
Republican or Democrat, they all have no idea how real profit companies work or how real people live.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
This is OT but i'd have to disagree. Most politicians come from either a businss or law background and many VERY rich (not from their government pay checks).

The Senate is not called a Millionaires Club for nothing, especially since they are so before entering the chamber. If they lack anything it is the ability to be frugal with the people's money the way they are with theirs.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 12):
Republican or Democrat, they all have no idea how real profit companies work

This is OT but i'd have to disagree. Most politicians come from either a businss or law background and many VERY rich (not from their government pay checks).

Exactly. Many are from business backgrounds, and they got there promising voters budget minded business owners would bring fiscal responsibility to Washington. Oh, wait...that worked out really well. One thing people fail to realize, one of the biggest problems that businesses have.....too much debt. But they only get rich building a company with someone else's money.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.

Alaska wants to merge with American?

Sure, right after they merge with Delta.
 
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:48 pm

Just another example of a Republican leader screaming in support of the free market until it affects their constituency.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 25):
Just another example of a Republican leader screaming in support of the free market until it affects their constituency.





Isn't that the way it is supposed to be. I want my representation to reflect what I want. Not what someone in New York or Cali. wants. Kay Bailey has been a great Senator IMO. She fights and has fought for agendas here in TX.. That is her job. She is not a congress person from Utah or NY or FL, she is a representative of TX. and should fight for everything TX. period, of course she has to balance her opinions for the greater good but it still comes down to her responsibility for the citizens of TX..
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 26):
Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 25):
Just another example of a Republican leader screaming in support of the free market until it affects their constituency.





Isn't that the way it is supposed to be. I want my representation to reflect what I want. Not what someone in New York or Cali. wants.

No, it's the height of hypocrisy. You can't scream that government should not be involved in business, and then get involved in business when it's a business you like.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.

I think you meant "CHICAGO"!!!  
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:12 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
You can't scream that government should not be involved in business, and then get involved in business when it's a business you like.

I don't think she's ever screamed that government should not be involved in business though...
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:20 pm

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 26):
Isn't that the way it is supposed to be. I want my representation to reflect what I want. Not what someone in New York or Cali. wants. Kay Bailey has been a great Senator IMO. She fights and has fought for agendas here in TX.. That is her job. She is not a congress person from Utah or NY or FL, she is a representative of TX. and should fight for everything TX. period, of course she has to balance her opinions for the greater good but it still comes down to her responsibility for the citizens of TX..

That's what we call spin. If your *core* value is supporting the free market, and then you turn around and tell the free market to keep its hands off of your state's airline, it's hypocrisy at its finest.

That being said, in all fairness, she's just commenting on it and not making any threats. Oh, and for the record, I like Senator Hutchison.  
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 29):
I don't think she's ever screamed that government should not be involved in business though...

You can scream via your voting record. Take a look at hers.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't see why she is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

We have been discussing this, we aren't 100% on any sort of move yet, should a merger occur.

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 12):
Just another politician with an oversized sense of self importance.

You don't know the beginning, politicians are very much so intricately involved with airlines.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 24):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
Or maybe the company that would buy AA would have their headquarters in Seattle.

Alaska wants to merge with American?

Sure, right after they merge with Delta.

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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting asteriskceo (Reply 31):
You can scream via your voting record. Take a look at hers.

I did. Given her position on the Commerce Committee which has oversight over the FAA and aviation, it hasn't been exactly an antiregulatory record. Sponsoring legislation for things, for example, like mimumum hours requirements for an ATP, creating a slot regime at DCA that picks winners and losers in that marketplace, and other things she's voted for doesn't scream anything of the sort.

[Edited 2012-04-17 11:55:04]
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Alaska wants to merge with American?

What is no and not in any future? AA gets more benefits from code share.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:04 pm

Actually... I wouldn't take this lightly. She is very influencial... and it would be a big mistake to take these southern senators lightly. They can make serious regulatory trouble if they want too. My now defunct favorite airline (Pan Am) got on the wrong side of this crowd over deregulation (and being a NY based company that played hardball). In the end-Pan Am came out the loser... and the bitterness never faded.

I'd heed her warning... as wrong as she is.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't see why she is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

1) Because she can... and has real power.
2) She may be hearing things not available to the public (often presented by lobbyist.)
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting catiii (Thread starter):
Fair use from USA Today:

U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison has a message for any company that wants to take over bankrupt American Airlines: Back off.

In a statement released late last week, the Republican from Texas said she was disturbed by "public reports about hostile takeovers involving American Airlines, including another airline that is communicating directly with American's creditors and unions."

More here, but an interesting development: http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...s-to-leave-american-alone/673575/1

I imagine, that Howard Putnam, who is a consultant and speaker in Carlsbad, CA, and Harding Lawrence who has passed on, are not only smiling, but wondering where the politicians were when American was doing its best to destroy Braniff in 1981 & 1982.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting catiii (Thread starter):
Fair use from USA Today:

U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison has a message for any company that wants to take over bankrupt American Airlines: Back off.

In a statement released late last week, the Republican from Texas said she was disturbed by "public reports about hostile takeovers involving American Airlines, including another airline that is communicating directly with American's creditors and unions."

Got to keep those self interests in tow. W and Lon Dick Chaney had/have stake in AMR. Gotta make that $$$   
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 13):
Most politicians come from either a businss or law background and many VERY rich
Quoting cschleic (Reply 24):
Many are from business backgrounds

Actually, most politicians were a failure at business and their 'law practice'. Some were only 'community organizers'.

Quoting PanAm1971 (Reply 36):
1) Because she can... and has real power.2) She may be hearing things not available to the public (often presented by lobbyist.)

She also saw the writing on the wall when Republicans would not support her in her race for Governor 2 years ago. She said she would retire from the US Senate then, and didn't. For the last 10 years, or so, Texas has had only one viable US Senator representing us and AA, WN, and CO, John Cornyn.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:52 pm

But doesn't she belong to the party that encourages a free market? So all this time they never really stick to what they preach? Wow...  
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:53 pm

If we think it is bad now ... wait until Gov Jan Brewer of AZ starts talking in support now of US for the takeover.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 38):
Got to keep those self interests in tow. W and Lon Dick Chaney had/have stake in AMR. Gotta make that $$$

Where did you see that?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 40):
But doesn't she belong to the party that encourages a free market? So all this time they never really stick to what they preach? Wow...

Let's face it, no one has ever let the airline industry operate in a truly free market.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 42):
Where did you see that?

I work in the industry and we get the inside scoop on stuff. And AMR having headquarters in the republic of Texas.
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 43):
I work in the industry and we get the inside scoop on stuff. And AMR having headquarters in the republic of Texas.

That's interesting, because W.'s public financial disclosures tell a different story. Must be bad scoop.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:10 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 32):
Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 1):
I don't see why she is telling airlines to back off, obviously he has not read articles saying that if the company would merge it would still be based in Texas, not moving to Phoenix....

We have been discussing this, we aren't 100% on any sort of move yet, should a merger occur.

Well, since there are way more tax breaks in Texas than Arizona, I would doubt that US would stay in Tempe IF there is a merger with AA.

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 41):
If we think it is bad now ... wait until Gov Jan Brewer of AZ starts talking in support now of US for the takeover.

Oh, God......I want to know why we have all of the crazy people in politics.
 
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 41):
wait until Gov Jan Brewer of AZ starts talking in support now of US for the takeover.

She wont.

Of course we dont know 100% that that HQ will be in Texas, but every credible source I have talked to or read from states that it will. Not to mention the facilities in Fort Worth are so much above and beyond what US has in PHX. If Gov. Brewer tries to push it, she is (within a 99% certianty) pushing jobs out of her state.

She would be wise to leave it alone.
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RE: Texas Senator Tells Airlines To Leave AA Alone

Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 45):
Oh, God......I want to know why we have all of the crazy people in politics.

Because its free entertainment !!
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:17 pm

Quoting catiii (Reply 44):


That's interesting, because W.'s public financial disclosures tell a different story. Must be bad scoop.

You can fudge/forge anything and that include his heinass's financial reports. I trust the past administration as much as if I would with Monopoly money with Bernie Madeoff in the house.
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:25 pm

Dear Madame Gasbag:

Perhaps you are not aware of recent happenings at AMR, but they have used a section of law approved by the august body to which you were elected to shirk their debts and "reorganize". Perhaps you also unaware of what this law (which I remind you was approved by the selfsame body in which you serve) says, that secured creditors are first in line to receive what they are legally owed, wherein the term "legally owed" means "the law says they are entitled". It is their money which has been lost by the entity to whom they loaned it, and while they assumed risk by making the loan, the law says they are first in line to be compensated.

I hope that this newfound knowledge ameliorates the unfounded disturbance you feel that another airline and/or its unions may be communicating directly with these creditors. I trust as well that you will permit the judge in this case to exercise his/her authority without interference, consistent with a respect for the rule of law that is required of a lawmaker.

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