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New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 7:34 pm

The mayor of Houston has just announced non-stop service by Turkish Airlines, IAH-IST. Apparently this service will begin within a matter of a few months. Sorry I can't post the link right now.

I suppose UA will want this flight to use Hobby... Haha....
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:51 pm

 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:53 pm

Sounds like when they announced ATL
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:55 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
TK CEO announced both BOS and IAH

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=...87908

wow... BOS is getting NRT, IST, and DOH all within a short duration. surprised how airlines have been neglecting it for years.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):
TK CEO announced both BOS and IAH

I hope to see TK at IAH, but that article sounded like anything but an announcement. TK has a habit of saying "We plan ______" and then doing nothing.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
BOS is getting NRT, IST, and DOH all within a short duration. surprised how airlines have been neglecting it for years.

Well let's not get ahead of ourselves--they all could find why it was neglected for all those years.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:06 pm

Let me translate for those that are not well versed with THY.

THY executives, and Turkish government ministers on a regular basis travel the world and meet various groups. Virtually every month there are stories that route A, B and C will be launched by TK.

While THY does indeed plan to open ever more destinations, until you actually see a schedule filing with actual start up date, and the required Turkish regulatory filing that goes along with it, I would caution one not to read too much into these pronouncements, or bet your house on them.

Here is an example - February 2011 - same executive said "THY to begin flights to Houston, Miami, Boston and Detroit"
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-2349...ston-miami-boston-and-detroit.html

What makes IAH a bit more likely now is that Turkey this week opened a trade office in Houston, and obviously the airport host a Star Alliance hub. Additionally I know there has been some background studies and traffic modeling on South East Asian communities in Texas - particularly the Pakistani community in Houston.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:06 pm

There is nothing in the Boston press about this. I'm sure it'll come soon, like DOH, but until I see an official press release, I'll take this with a grain of salt.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 1):

TK CEO announced both BOS and IAH

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=87908


Um, no. Nothing has been announced. Turkish continues to "announce" Boston, Miami (now referred to as just "Florida" in this announcement), Houston, Detroit, Atlanta, etc., and nothing happens.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 9:15 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 4):
I hope to see TK at IAH, but that article sounded like anything but an announcement. TK has a habit of saying "We plan ______" and then doing nothing.

Agreed. Until there is an official press release and the flights are loaded into GDS, then there is nothing.

Same with MU to BOS, QR to BOS, yadda yadda.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:57 pm

They need to come to IAH asap. Will be a fantastic route for them!
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:24 pm

Are they getting more 777s? Their current 777 rotations are as tight as they can get, not to mention chronic delays at IST.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Thu Apr 19, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting vincewy (Reply 11):
Are they getting more 777s?

No,

They did have a few leased from 9W but they went back and were leased to TH and will be in their fleet til early 2013 until TH starts receiving some of their own (14) they ordered from Boeing direct.


I thought TK announced this back in Feb 2011 shortly before they started service to LAX. Also they stated they would start service to DTW, BOS, & MIA.

Turkish Airlines begin flights to Houston, Miami, Boston and Detroit
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:02 am

Looks like its a done deal according to this article that I found on Houston Bush Airport's Twitter feed. TK looks to start service by the end of 2012.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...80&NewsCatID=345&fb_source=message
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:12 am

Quoting 96texan (Reply 13):
Looks like its a done deal according to this article that I found on Houston Bush Airport's Twitter feed. TK looks to start service by the end of 2012.

In no way, shape or form does that suggest its a done deal.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:14 am

I'm still waiting for them to come to ATL. I've been sitting in the E concourse for months now. Where are they?
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:36 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Miami (now referred to as just "Florida"

"Some cities in Florida"!! MIA and...? MCO?   
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:53 am

TK are the masters of spin.

They have announced so many flights over the last few years that either have not happened or started years later.

Don't hold yout breath for TK planes to be in IAH anytime soon.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting crj200faguy (Reply 15):
I'm still waiting for them to come to ATL. I've been sitting in the E concourse for months now. Where are they

I thought they already went to ATL. I thought it was IST-IAD-ATL-IAD-IST.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:17 am

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 18):
I thought they already went to ATL. I thought it was IST-IAD-ATL-IAD-IST.

Yeah that didn't happen.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:51 am

many of you said the same of TK when they had announced intentions of flying into Mogadishu, Somalia and wola within a couple of months of the TK CEO and Turkish PM's visit to the war torn nation, flights were launched via KRT.

From IAH, TK's main target market which it will get a big chunk of are the oil markets of Central Asia and Middle East which it has a dominant presence in. With their membership in STAR and IAH being a mega Star hub as well, the potential for them is huge in also attracting transfer traffic bound to Africa via IST. I would forecast a B77W being used on this new route in order to grab as many high yielding J class passengers as possible.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:55 am

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
many of you said the same of TK when they had announced intentions of flying into Mogadishu, Somalia and wola within a couple of months of the TK CEO and Turkish PM's visit to the war torn nation, flights were launched via KRT.

Thats one example from numerous other announcements made which did not have the same positive outcome.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 20):
From IAH, TK's main target market which it will get a big chunk of are the oil markets of Central Asia and Middle East which it has a dominant presence in. With their membership in STAR and IAH being a mega Star hub as well, the potential for them is huge in also attracting transfer traffic bound to Africa via IST. I would forecast a B77W being used on this new route in order to grab as many high yielding J class passengers as possible.

Theres already airlines targeting that market, so they would not be alone.

[Edited 2012-04-19 22:55:50]
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:07 am

Guys, the discussion regarding TK's previous launch of BOS, IAH, MIA, etc. is useless - look at all the links you posted, they say TK PLANS TO fly to.... in 2012 or 2013.

So they are not official launch announcements, they are just plans with no commitment. Read carefully before you make judgements.

Now, as for the IAH thing, it looks more serious than the others with a very close date of end of 2012 given as a possible start date. That looks promising.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:33 am

Curious how this will affect UA EWR-IST that starts in July.   
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:38 am

This looks like an A343 route given how tight they are for 77W capacity, surely?
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:42 pm

Quoting RNOcommctr (Thread starter):
I suppose UA will want this flight to use Hobby... Haha....

Houstonians can cry all they want about the HQ moving to Chi-town, but the fact of the matter is IAH is still the largest (or second largest (see other thread)) hub and that would be a huge factor in why TK would be considering IAH...
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:56 pm

What's up with these "announcements" as of late getting everyone on here thinking the flights are a done deal?

Until I see actual confirmation from the carriers and an actual launch date, I will take these press releases as simple fluff.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:59 pm

YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! I've been waiting to hear this forever now!
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:52 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 6):
What makes IAH a bit more likely now is that Turkey this week opened a trade office in Houston,

IIRC they had a small trade office at the Turkish Consulate General in Houston which was then expanded into this seperate facility. I'd have to double check though. The funding sources could be different.

I know Turkish officials met with the Port of Houston on expanding some trade links.

PoH is counting the days until the Panama canal expansion is complete as they are expecting a huge increase in port and trade traffic. With that the city is funding links to connect that to air and land travel
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 27):
YES YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES!!! I've been waiting to hear this forever now!

Wait for a schedule before you get excited. Knowing TK has a bad habit of "announcing" destinations and then doing nothing, I wouldnt get excited yet.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:38 pm

Interesting announcement. Its also interesting reading about TK's history of PR.   

IMHO, the window for IAH was closed after QR entered the market.   While this is *A to *A, I would be surprised if 'the commercial terms' were not more favorable for UA/CO at FRA...

However, this could be a case where being part of an alliance helps. Also TR would have more connections that wouldn't backtrack versus EK and QR...

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
BOS is getting NRT, IST, and DOH all within a short duration. surprised how airlines have been neglecting it for years.

How much of this is due to B6's strategy change?

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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 30):
Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 3):
BOS is getting NRT, IST, and DOH all within a short duration. surprised how airlines have been neglecting it for years.

How much of this is due to B6's strategy change?

What strategy change? And neither QR nor TK have announced Boston.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:31 pm

Hey guys, I think there is a confusion going on about TK announcements and news stories.

TK management likes to talk openly about future route intentions (not necessarily concrete plans with filings and schedules and all), but they try not to totally commit themselves by giving exact dates and all. On the other hand, TK, like most public companies, has to make any concrete plans regarding their network public information and announce them on the website - so far almost all the network plans announced directly on their website has become reality, bar ATL.

So when people say TK likes to announce new destinations but they never materialize, I suggest reading the formal announcements on their website rather than newspaper articles.

So far IAH is nothing formal. Neither is BOS, DTW, MIA... Only destination that TK has officially mentioned west of the Atlantic is EZE as a tag on to GRU.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:28 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 30):
How much of this is due to B6's strategy change?

Very little if any. For JL, BOS was the obvious choice, and it helped that the largest carrier here is an unaligned carrier looking for interline or even codeshare opportunities and already had a relationship with JL's JV partner AA, and that is how the deal with B6 materialized. B6 may interline or even codeshare with QR and TK, but that won't generate enough feed in additon to the pax BOS already has.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
And neither QR nor TK have announced Boston.

Seriously. It annoys me when airlines do this. Maxjet pulled this crap a few years ago in 2006 and 2007. They started with JFK, then added IAD, saying that BOS was next. Then they said, "we hope to launch BOS in February or March". Those dates got closer, then they said, "we're seriously considering adding LAS and BOS by April". LAS was announced, BOS wasn't. I wouldn't have cared otherwise, but I hoped to visit my aunt in Sicily that summer and knew that a new route would have cheap fares. IIRC, it was then that IB came in and we flew with them. At some point they added LAX, then dropped IAD before ultimately ceasing operations. To put it humorously, if there is a Hell for dead airlines, I hope Maxjet is there.

So, lesson learned. Until you can book the tickets, they're not coming to Boston. I hope they really do come here soon, however.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:30 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 23):
Curious how this will affect UA EWR-IST that starts in July.  

I was pretty surprised that UA announced the IST route out of EWR. IAH always made more sense to me given the oil connection, and the fact that TK already serves JSK, but I had no idea TK had "pre-announced" it IAH.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:55 pm

Quoting boilerla (Reply 34):
I was pretty surprised that UA announced the IST route out of EWR. IAH always made more sense to me given the oil connection, and the fact that TK already serves JSK, but I had no idea TK had "pre-announced" it IAH.

Surprised? How many destinations in Europe does UA serve from IAH? Mere 4 - AMS, CDG, FRA and LHR.

And how many from EWR? - over 20, and most have NYC competition including from Star partners.

Simply put, NYC is the far more logical gateway for European flying, not only based on local O&D, but its geography of being able to collect people from all over the continent to jump across the Atlantic.

Anyhow, a EWR-Istanbul link should not be surprising. If you ever followed the Turkish Aviation threads, CO previously planned to commence service to SAW Istanbul's second airport from EWR in 2009/2010 with 762s, but the fuel run up, and economic downturn starting in late 2008 ended those aspirations.

Oh and btw - I'm not sure what you mean by "oil connections". Turkey is not a significant oil producer by any measure. It imports 92% of its daily needs, with local production being a token amount.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:29 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Oh and btw - I'm not sure what you mean by "oil connections".

Remember that TK has an extensive route network to destinations throughout the middle east
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:28 am

This route would do well by picking up traffic bound for Central Asia that now goes on LH. Places like Azerbijan. Companies such as Halliburton, Schlumberger, and Baker send people to these areas almost every week from Houston.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:20 am

Quoting BOStonsox (Reply 33):
B6 may interline or even codeshare with QR and TK, but that won't generate enough feed in additon to the pax BOS already has.

Thank you. I wondered if they could generate 10% or 20% of the seats, which would be enough to justify the service. But if its less..

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
What strategy change?

B6 is being more agressive with code shares and interline agreements. They seem to be signing agreements with everyone.


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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:33 pm

So, now we can start talking WHEN rather than IF for this flight, as TK has posted this on its website as a disclosure to stock markets. Source in Turkish:

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-TR...vestor_relations/special/2012.aspx

It basically says TK will fly to IAH in summer 2012 depending on A/C availability.
 
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 39):

So, now we can start talking WHEN rather than IF for this flight, as TK has posted this on its website as a disclosure to stock markets. Source in Turkish:

http://www.turkishairlines.com/tr-TR...vestor_relations/special/2012.aspx

It basically says TK will fly to IAH in summer 2012 depending on A/C availability.


TK has published the same exact disclosure for Buenos Aires and Atlanta, among others.
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RE: New IAH Service: TK To IST

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 35):
Anyhow, a EWR-Istanbul link should not be surprising. If you ever followed the Turkish Aviation threads, CO previously planned to commence service to SAW Istanbul's second airport from EWR in 2009/2010 with 762s, but the fuel run up, and economic downturn starting in late 2008 ended those aspirations.

I'm so glad CO didn't end up at SAW. IST is already not *that* close to city center, especially in traffic.

Going to SAW felt a lot like going out to Narita.

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