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Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:01 pm

Hello and welcome to Australian Aviation Thread # 61. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Canberra's renewed pushed for International services
* Fiji wrests control of Air Pacific from Qantas
* Aerolineas Argentinas confirms it will commence nonstop services to SYD in the middle of the year
* Qantas 747-400 aircraft retirements
* RedQ - what's its future
* Qantas and Jetstar operations
* Virgin Australia fares
* EVA Air to operate charter services to SYD in July and looking at increasing BNE services
* Skytrans confirms its Toowoomba-Sydney services (02JUL start), with fares now on sale
* Etihad Airways mentions once again its looking at PER and looking at increasing BNE flights
* Air Australia/Strategic Airlines - planned routes
* Qantas announces a new once weekly, 73H service from Sydney to Newman from May
* Virgin Australia takes delivery of its first new A330-200 VH-XFC
* Jetstar Japan receives its AOC - fares go on sale
* Possible new routes for the Virgin A330s down the track
* International flight offerings from Perth
* Virgin Australia to suspend Gold Coast-Townsville services in May
* Kenya Airways plans to launch PER in FY2016/2017 with 787s
* Continued strong growth at Brisbane especially, especially domestically
* The future of the Australian Aviation market
* Tiger Airways to resume Melbourne-Hobart from November 2012

Australian Aviation Thread # 60
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:06 pm

Of interest:

Australian Federation of Air Pilots - Source

Quote:

J31/32 Flight Crews

A new consumer airline is actively expanding into the Australian regular public transport (RPT) and charter operations. With a fleet of Jetstream series aircraft (31/32) type aircraft our bases include Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

We are currently seeking J31/32 flight crew for positions within the next few months.

Continues...

 
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:34 pm

I was suprised to see that Alliance flight attendants and pilots are now wearing Virgin Australia uniform.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:47 pm

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 2):
I was suprised to see that Alliance flight attendants and pilots are now wearing Virgin Australia uniform.

Skywest crews on the AT7s are as well. On these "franchise" routes DJ seemed to have gone for a totally integrated product a la QantasLink

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):

Not an airline I would claim to be familiar with   
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 3):
Not an airline I would claim to be familiar with   

I think the gmail email address says it all...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:41 am

For Townsville spotters
NZ to operate 77W charter through TSV 26th April
NZ6063 AKL 0605 BNE 0745
NZ1963 BNE 0920 TSV 1100
NZ6064 TSV 1210 AKL 1800
At this stage to be operated by ZK-OKP
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:19 am

Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 6):
Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.

Also QF had diversions to CNS and ADL

QF2 found it's way to ADL

QF130 found it's way to CNS
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:33 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 6):
Around 17 deiversions to BNE due to fog in SYD. 4 A380'S on the deck a new record here.

Great spotting I bet. Where were they all parked to handle that many additional flights? Given that MEL had fog related issues too that would not have helped.

I know that its great seeing 3 X daily A380s is MEL each day, which will be 4 X daily in Oct with EK. Certainly fills up the airport so BNE really would have been packed on top of its normal schedule.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:19 am

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):
QF2 found it's way to ADL

Which makes me ask what the four at BNE were?

I would have thought:

QF-LAX
QF-LHR
SQ
EK

So if QF2 went to ADL where did the fourth pop up from   

And is ADL even A380 ready?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:50 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
So if QF2 went to ADL where did the fourth pop up from

Have no idea on that issue

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
And is ADL even A380 ready?

I handles 330's okay as well all know, I'm not sure if their aerobridges wold go high enough to allow pax to disembark. But in saying that, generally in these scenario's, the passengers have to stay on board the aircraft, from what I have been told, (and I would love feedback if contrary to this) that it is up to Australian Customs and Immigration to allow the passengers to disembark. Once QF (or any airline AFAIK) arriving into an international port, they need permission from immigration of that country to allow the passengers to disembark.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:55 am

BNE A380s were:

A6-EDP EK412 Sydney diversion
9V-SKI SQ221 Sydney diversion
VH-OQC QF12 Sydney diversion
VH-OQB QF94 Melbourne diversion
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:57 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
And is ADL even A380 ready?

Ask Joe Hockey MP, who was tweeting on the flight   Apparently ADL only has one A380 tug so there was some delay (but I am only taking this off one quick 140 character tweet, most likely not 100% correct).

Wish I had been in BNE this morning, would have been a very very busy morning!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:16 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 8):

Well believe it or not i have seen BNE worse than this on 1 or 2 other occasions.

BNE now has 15 parking stands at the ITB soon 17, plus 6 at the old ITB plus the old runway and taxyway at the old airport so basically today there was possibly 32-35 aircraft on the deck at the international terminal plus the old terminal and the old runway and taxyway including the parked aircraft such as HI fly 343,Heavylift 734F,Solomons A320 and Mineralogy MD-82'S and Aviation Australia 727F .

Yes BNE still had it's own aircraft there such as EK,BR,EY,2SQ,4 QF,PX,NZ,
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:33 am

Sounds like it was another interesting day in the skies, with more SYD fog issues.

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I have started a thread about TT and its future direction in the forum. Please feel free to post with your ideas. The link is below:

Tiger Australia : Whats Its Future Direction? (by IndianicWorld Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:11 pm

The diversions this morning were'nt as bad as the previous morning,Most of the early International flights made it in before the fog became serious problem,From memory I think 1x United,V Australia,Delta and couple QF flights diverted to BNE and Vietnam went to MEL,It was interesting hearing the Delta triple 7 since it was impossible to visually see do 2 attempts at landing and performing 2 missed approaches,Sounded quite nice!

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:41 am

By chance flew on a Sky Interior 737 yesterday (my first one) and was really blown away by it.

The BSI overhead bins make the entire cabin feel at least 50% wider while the LCD strips along the roof somehow make it seem much longer than a standard 738. She really felt like a "big" plane.

I'm a huge fan of mood lighting and since it was a dark outside I got to appreciate that in all its glory.

The IFE is a great add. The choice was more than sufficient for domestic/Tasman flights, although I must admit it did seem a bit of an overkill for SYD-CBR!

I really like the new seats, but I have two questions about them:

(1) are they narrower than QF's standard 737 seats? It's just I noticed that my big glided down the aisle whereas normally I end up bumping into every second row, suggesting that the aisle was wider.

(2) I thought QF were planning to introduce red seat covers on the domestic fleet in order to harmonise short-haul and long-haul aircraft from a customer perspective. This brand new bird, however, had the usual grey seat covers.

Now I'm on a roll, I thought the new business class seats looked really good. When I first saw pictures of the red leather I immediately thought "Virgin", but it is actually a much darker shade of red and looks quite luxurious!
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:09 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):

I also liked it, but didn't love it. I found the bins to be almost compressing inwards (hard to explain), making the space feel much more claustrophobic to me than with the older shelf bins. But it's definitely a huge improvement over the old interiors.

My experience was on a VA plane (totally lucked out, this was only a few days after she was introduced last year), so can't comment on the seats. A lot of people seem to be commenting that the seats feel narrower, so it seems that they probably are. The additional width in the aisle might be caused by thinner sidewalls though?

With regards to the seat covers -- has this ever actually been announced by QF? I know that there were rumours, yet they continue to take new aircraft with the grey fabric. Perhaps this is just limited to J?

The IFE is great. Makes a massive difference to have a system that matches (and exceeds) many long haul products on such short flights (aside from the absence of films -- these are made visible on longer flights though, and the selection is good, 12-14 choices IIRC).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:04 pm

Yesterday BNE based JetGo Airlines did their final AOC proving flight and i was fortunate enough to be one of the participating pax on the flight.

Well done JetGo as they passed this flight.JetGo will be a FIFO and charter carrier and will operate the ERJ 135 aircraft.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting aussie18 (Reply 15):
The diversions this morning were'nt as bad as the previous morning,Most of the early International flights made it in before the fog became serious problem,From memory I think 1x United,V Australia,Delta and couple QF flights diverted to BNE and Vietnam went to MEL,It was interesting hearing the Delta triple 7 since it was impossible to visually see do 2 attempts at landing and performing 2 missed approaches,Sounded quite nice!

Don't forget...Virgin Atlantic A340-600 was also in the Brisbane airport (from aussie aviation forum).
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:36 am

Today QF B747-400 VH-OJB, delivered on the 5th September 1989, has her last revenue service flight, QF107 SYD-LAX, before heading to VCV.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 20):
Today QF B747-400 VH-OJB, delivered on the 5th September 1989, has her last revenue service flight, QF107 SYD-LAX, before heading to VCV.

Then what is going to operated QF108 tonight and where is it coming from?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:53 am

VA has released the first photos/details of their new lie-flat A330 seats. Details here.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 21):
Then what is going to operated QF108 tonight and where is it coming from?

QF108 will operate using the inbound QF11 A380. QF12 is not operating today. This is what usually happens when they send a 744 to VCV, as QF108 cannot operate as a terminating LAX flight.

[Edited 2012-04-24 22:56:03]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:46 am

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 7):

QF108 diverted to NOU on Monday 23/04...

Quoting ADDICT4QF (Reply 20):

Funny enough the aircraft nearly didn't go today as planned with engineering issues...

Quoting qf002 (Reply 22):

Let's not forget not all retiring aircraft operate as QF107... The last B744 retirement was ferried direct to VCV... While on the subject VH-TJU is off to the desert tomorrow...

The 1st QF A380 VH-OQD to under go reconfiguration will be ferried to MNL on the 29/04...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:29 am

Virgin Australia releases details of their Factory fresh A330-200 (J Class seat lie angled flat seat and Red Entertainment system with USB ports for all classes)......

http://www.ausbt.com.au/first-pics-v...-lie-flat-seats-on-new-airbus-a330

Virgin Australia also start testing Samsung Galaxy 10.1 Tabs for J class 737 Guests this week.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/virgin-austr...ing-samsung-galaxy-android-tablets

Also Melbourne Airport Virgin Austraia Terminal 3 - refurbishment begins 01 May2012........a la look of Brisbane......
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:44 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 23):
Let's not forget not all retiring aircraft operate as QF107... The last B744 retirement was ferried direct to VCV...

This is true. They only move the flights around when an aircraft goes onto VCV after operating a commercial service...

Quoting EK413 (Reply 23):
The 1st QF A380 VH-OQD to under go reconfiguration will be ferried to MNL on the 29/04...

Is this the 14F/60J/32W/378Y reconfiguration? Or have they changed it again!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:45 am

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 24):
Also Melbourne Airport Virgin Austraia Terminal 3 - refurbishment begins 01 May2012........a la look of Brisbane......

Good news. It's about time they got around to it.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:46 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 25):

Have mentioned the new configuration in a new thread 14F / 64J / 35W / 371Y...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 24):

Interesting article I read today, that, naturally, I can no longer find that talks about upcoming confrontation between QF and DJ and how, if DJ doesn't play there cards right, QF will win (what the article said, not me). With DJ adding so much more capacity, will QF come out and simply flood the market to keep DJ away from that 65% line? JB has been criticising the 'line' saying no airline has the right to a certain market share. However, I don't think it is that QF is 'entitled' to, more that it is what they aim to keep and is still a very, very good share of that market considering the remaining 35% contains DJ and TT. Sometimes, living at OOL, I seem to forget just how big the QF domestic ops are in comparison to DJ.

I think, and given DJ does not have the money QF does, that if DJ were to enter a 'war' on QF and flood the market, QF has a lot greater ability and finance to flood in return and force DJ back, if not to bankruptcy (obviously a big call, and not predicting it by any means, but DJ doesn't have endless cash and there recent changes (Business class etc), if they don't work, could prove costly).
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 pm

DJ will just keep snapping at their heels and slowly reduce their lead month by month .
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:27 pm

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 29):
DJ will just keep snapping at their heels and slowly reduce their lead month by month

To a point, that is true, but IF AJ gets the current "attitude restructure" completed, look out! If he doesn't, oh well 95-100 years was a good run.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:08 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 30):

Don't quite think it is that dramatic :P But I wouldnt be surprised if QF starts to 'fight back' soon and try to stop DJ's expansion. Whether this is through JQ or QF I am not sure. I would guess probably a combination of both. Considering that it seems likely VA will 'expand into Asia' on one of QF's existing routes (i.e. BNE-HKG) then I would guess QF would engage in a price war on this route to try and force VA out. Interesting times as QF/JQ start to receive the 787's and VA more A330's...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:43 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 31):
Don't quite think it is that dramatic :P

I do for international services, at least. Look at Air Canada, see the slow decline thread for what COULD happen to QF if the "attitude restructure" doesn't work!

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:59 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 32):
I do for international services, at least. Look at Air Canada, see the slow decline thread for what COULD happen to QF if the "attitude restructure" doesn't work!

True, but did AC ever undertake that attitude restructure? I mean, at least QF is on the way and, for sure, if the attitude restructure doesn't work they won't be that great an international airline, but I would be surprised if they didn't exist if it didn't work.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:56 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 33):
if the attitude restructure doesn't work they won't be that great an international airline, but I would be surprised if they didn't exist if it didn't work.

I think it's quite possible that if the restructure does not work QF is 60-75% likely to totally exit the international market place and become just a domestic player, which is not QF as far as I care. I really think it is that serious, mainly because of the brutal level of international airline competition to/from Australia from lower cost carriers.
I do not think it is actually that likely as I expect AJ to succeed in his efforts, at least to the minimum needed, but who knows really? I do think it is a likely price of failure.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Tue May 01, 2012 11:23 am

Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Tue May 01, 2012 12:10 pm

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 35):

Que?



I thought today to ask on her something I've been wondering for a while ... not sure why it didn't occur to me before!

During the industrial action last year I remember that it was the "long haul" pilots who were engaged in industrial action whereas the "short haul" ones weren't. Now at face value those two labels seem self-explanatory: evidently the 737 fleet is SH and the 747 and 380 LH, but what about the 767 and A330?

Do those aircraft have two separate pilot work groups for them?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Tue May 01, 2012 12:25 pm

Another QF B744 retirement with VH-OJP departing on 10/06 as QF107 SYD-LAX and ferry off to VCV on the 11/06 as QF6021...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Tue May 01, 2012 12:26 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 28):
Interesting article I read today, that, naturally, I can no longer find that talks about upcoming confrontation between QF and DJ and how

IS this the one you mean?

http://m.smh.com.au/travel/blogs/tra...ood-the-market-20120430-1xtwv.html
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 12:28 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 36):
During the industrial action last year I remember that it was the "long haul" pilots who were engaged in industrial action whereas the "short haul" ones weren't. Now at face value those two labels seem self-explanatory: evidently the 737 fleet is SH and the 747 and 380 LH, but what about the 767 and A330?

Not quite. The 737 fleet work to the award which came out of TAA/Australian, the 767, A330 and 747 fleet work to an award which dates back to when Qantas didn't fly domestic. A380 crew have a completely different award. The last point applies to cabin crew too, but for other cabin crew, SH: 737/A330/767, LH: A330/767/747.

At one time A330 tech crew were on the SH award but the union got it changed over to the long haul one on the grounds the A330 was doing mostly long haul flying.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 9:26 am

QF B747-400 VH-OJU is going into reconfiguration to A380 seating early next week and VH-OEE coming out of reconfiguration shortly after.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 11:15 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 39):

Thanks for that, it all makes sense.

So the group which were in dispute with management were the 767/330/747 crew?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 41):
So the group which were in dispute with management were the 767/330/747 crew?

Yup. Now imagine, if you will, that Qantas hadn't pulled the stunt they did to end Industrial Action by the Pilots. The short haul EBA is up for negotiation this year so QF could face the potential of the entire pilot group walking out on them rather than just the part. If I was the pilots union that is what I would have done but they didn't play their hand right.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 42):
If I was the pilots union that is what I would have done but they didn't play their hand right.

Yeah thats smart, what would that have achieved?
 

This has been discussed to to death, but AJ did the best thing to bring an end to the damaging industrial action that was being caused by all union groups involved. What is happening now at Qantas is what should have been done back at the merger of TN & QF. Clearly QF needs to be efficient and competitive. This is being done now, as painful as it is, it needs to be done and whilst it's always disappointing for people to lose their jobs, if the changes aren't made now, then QF wouldn't have a viable long term future.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 1:00 pm

There is also talk of EK looking into expanding ADL services (According to the TravelDaily this week). I know there has been speculation before on this topic, but I am not 100% if EK has ever open its mouth about it and announcing they are looking at it but its on the shortlist. I suspect an introduction of services each week leading up to daily. Probably via Singapore, although their a/c can clearly make the distance and I am not sure if a non-stop would be viable at this point.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 1:06 pm

Also, does anyone know how long DJ are going to be co-operating with Alliance Airlines, seems to be a down grade on the services that Alliance Airlines operates on behalf of DJ. Is it going to be short-term or long-term?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting mikey86 (Reply 44):

Extension of a PER service has been speculated here -- could that work? SIN seems more likely to me to work, given they would be able to pick up local traffic on the SIN-ADL segment to help support the flight...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting mikey86 (Reply 45):

Also, does anyone know how long DJ are going to be co-operating with Alliance Airlines, seems to be a down grade on the services that Alliance Airlines operates on behalf of DJ. Is it going to be short-term or long-term?

Appears to be atleast into January - I booked a trip to Cairns on Monday and on December 28 for my BNE-CNS flight I had the option of booking onto DJ783 which is scheduled to be the Alliance F100 flight. I promptly booked myself onto that flight as it should be my first time on the type.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting mikey86 (Reply 45):

12 months initially i have heard with possibility of a extension.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Wed May 02, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 43):
Yeah thats smart, what would that have achieved?

It would have achieved more bargaining leverage for the pilots. If you have a whole work group with the ability to walk out that's much more of a threat than part of a work group. But as I said, the pilots didn't play their cards right.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 43):
This has been discussed to to death, but AJ did the best thing to bring an end to the damaging industrial action that was being caused by all union groups involved.

Yes it has and I've agreed in the past that it was the right thing to do. But if you look at it from the Pilots Union point of view then, as I said, they didn't play their cards right.

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