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Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:46 pm

Mabuhay sa inyong lahat!

Hello everyone! It's been a while since the last Philippine threads were running, as the launch of new international routes etc has been quite slow as of lately. But recently I've seen a few threads here regarding the Phils, San Miguel buying PAL for instance. Also, the LCCs are beginning to open up new routes within the region, which could be interesting to follow here.

*Cebu Pacific

MNL-HAN 2x weekly
MNL-XMN 3x weekly
MNL-REP 3x weekly
KLO-HKG 3x weekly

These four routes have recently been launched.


*AirPhil Express

MNL-KUL 3x weekly (Starting 21 June)
CRK-HKG 4x weekly (Starting 17 May)
CRK-SIN 3x weekly (Starting 17 May)


*Philippine Airlines

MNL-DPS 2x weekly (Starting 28 April)


*Zest Airways

MNL-PVG 5x weekly (Starting 22 June)
MNL-ICN Daily (Starting 28 June)
MNL-KUL ?? (Starting ??)
MNL-JJN 3x weekly (Starting 26 April)

*AirAsia Philippines has (finally) begun operations out of CRK, to three domestic points. More destinations are to follow.


*Some interesting statistics from 2011:

MNL handled 29,551,394 passengers (+8,9%) during the year.
CEB handled 6,215,946 passengers (+7,3%) during the year.

*For the first two months this year, CEB grew by 10,6% domestically and 24,6% internationally, for a total growth of 14%.

*For the full year AirPhil Express are aiming at flying 8 million passengers, up from last year's 3,7 million!
*Meanwhile, Cebu Pacific are planning to fly 14 million passengers, up from last years 12 million.

*Expansion from legacy carriers have been quite slow as of lately (even including PAL).
Although, MH added a third daily 738 on KUL-MNL last month.

If you have things to add or just want to discuss anything related to the commercial Philippine aviation industry, feel free to post and comment!  

//Alex

[Edited 2012-04-21 05:50:52]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:53 pm

Whee...a Philippine thread! 

Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy. This is based on a filing PAL made with the CAB.

http://business.inquirer.net/53313/p...ore-flights-to-s-korea-japan-china

Quote:
“Brazil is a key part of Philippine Airlines’ (PAL) long term plan to open pioneering routes to South America. Brazil produces more visitors to the Philippines than any other South American country,” CAB said.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):

*Philippine Airlines

As posted in the other thread, they will also be starting HKG-KLO in five days.....

http://business.inquirer.net/53361/pal-opens-hong-kong-kalibo-route


Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?    .....

.

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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/fil...011/06/aquino_caticlan-300x225.jpg


No definite word yet on their refleeting, particularly for the domestic fleet.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 1):
Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy.

MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU. (Good too for reviving the Philippines' historical linkages with Mexico! )

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy (if my memory serves me right).

[Edited 2012-04-21 10:22:21]
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 6:59 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):
Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU.

Ahh...thanks. That makes much more sense then.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy

   Now, that would certainly be a welcome development!    PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those come Cat 1.  

It would seem the reported visit of Boeing executives to SMC's headquarters had positive results?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:36 pm

Sometimes even small steps are welcome ...

Dragonair is to start a daily flight HKG-CRK from june 1st with A320.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those -- come Cat 1.

Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)   

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:55 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

Others tell me those are usually harebrained and outlandish.      


Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)

Let us see.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-san-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-san-gru&DU=nm

Hmmn...in terms of potential load, that does look more viable in comparison...even if switched to GIG or SDU at the Brazilian end (not so with BSB). However, getting entitlements especially on the US West Coast-Brazil legs would be very challenging, and competition tough.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since. Meanwhile, there's this.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/180591/...l-union-wants-to-talk-to-new-owner

.....as PR announces its new management setup.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:00 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since.

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90619222&postcount=249 (this is an article in the Manila Standard Today)

Also, there's talk on some new routes being launched by DG, especially as the CAB has ruled that TR's investment does not violate local cabotage rights. DG will finally be launching CRK-CEB, CRK-DVO and CRK-BKI.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90584163&postcount=246

MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/busi...-more-regional-flights-year-216961
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:34 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

MASwings has been looking into such routes for quite a while ...
But since they do not want to rely solely on demand by locals but need tourists as well I´m not surprised they favour DVO now.
ZAM is not really a tourist spot for certain reasons.
So, I would see rather a DVO-BKI route than one to SDK let alone both.

And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.
Just don´t know if AK´s entitlement is fully used up already (that might be the only valid reason for the "non-increase")
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:19 am

Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining  
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:12 am

Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

Ground delays at MNL are getting ridiculous. 1h40min doors closed to takeoff two weeks ago.

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.

I think there is more than enough demand. BKI has loads of Filipino workers. But all these domestics from CRK (2P/DG/5J/PQ) I have my doubts.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Glad to see so many replies in such short time!

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 11):
Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

I'm sure they mixed it up with PR.
I agree that DPS seems a bit odd, I get the feeling that Filipinos going on beach vacations would just go to their own ones, while on international vacation, city breaks are more to prefer. So DPS will be interesting.

The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

SGN is operated twice daily by 5J and RP, so a twice weekly to HAN shouldn't be no overcapacity. Yes, they tried HAN out once before, which should mean that 5J see conditions have changed, otherwise they wouldn't do the same mistake launching it again.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 10):
Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining

The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.
So, MIAA had to revert to the original 550,-Peso.
But they are working towards a new increase, of course ...  
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:41 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 13):
The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.

That period happened to be five years.   
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:46 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

Routing should be in the other direction:

Just to clarify.....for a while there, I thought PR was planning to stop somewhere in Europe or the Middle East, as part of a future, long-term strategy.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

I think we're all familiar with the pattern...the "plan" comes promptly, the "action" part an altogether different story.   

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...t=246

From the link.....

Quote:
"'We’re just waiting for developments from the sources of the two aircraft that will be acquired for the Cebu and Davao operations,' Mr. Zapanta said."

Airbus birds likely. With MPIC not buying into PAL, odds of flying variety on secondary domestic routes decreased.....

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Quote:
"Seair operates flights to Batanes, Ilocos Sur, Palawan, Caticlan and Romblon."

Kinda hoping to see these replace the Let 410s on the "missionary" routes.....

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Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:27 am

Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 4:48 am

When does MNL-REP start ???
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 15):
Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

Would be nice..  
Quoting COSPN (Reply 17):
When does MNL-REP start ???
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):
The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

It already did, last thursday...  

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:37 am

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
San Miguel buying PAL

Is Jolibees going to buy an airline too?



I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

[Edited 2012-04-23 02:37:59]
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:43 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

The MA-60s fly to SJI, MRQ, MBT, KLO, VRC, WNP, CRM, CYP and USU.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:25 am

I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers? The FAA page only mentions codeshares.
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:51 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 21):
I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers?

It's still possible to interline despite being in Cat II: I've seen AA/UA/DL (?)-PR itineraries being sold online. Interline bans though apply for airlines on the EU blacklist: consequently, interlining between PR and EU carriers is not allowed. (This was the reason why KL stopped selling PR domestic tag-ons to AMS-MNL on its website.)
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:56 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?

After they have redesigned it to meet even the bare minimum of ICAO safety standards perhaps. I mean look at that runway over the sea - who designed it, a 5 year old?  


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Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:05 am

According to ACI, MNL ranked the 27th busiest airport by international passengers in January this year.
The airport handled 1,281,777 passengers on its foreign routes, up 11,4%.

http://www.airports.org/cda/aci_comm...jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5-212-1376_666_2__

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Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

I have USU booked myself for August. We spent my girlfriend's birthday in Virac (VRC) last year, great destination and Z2 MA60. I wholeheartedly recommend the Twin Rock resort there, great place and cheap cheap food and drink despite being rather isolated.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:53 pm

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
I have USU booked myself for August.

You'll love Coron. Did that last year on 5J. Head out to the Islands nearby, especially Malcapuya. Beautiful.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 10):
Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now.

Until I read further posts, I thought it was the "I have to suffer through Terminal One" tax discount!

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Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:19 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 26):
I thought it was the "I have to suffer through Terminal One" tax discount!

Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543558&postcount=539
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543579&postcount=540
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543638&postcount=541
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543651&postcount=542
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543736&postcount=543
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543751&postcount=544
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543777&postcount=545
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543943&postcount=546
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543963&postcount=547

[Edited 2012-04-23 08:46:41]
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:30 pm

I flew out of MNL on Thursday. I guess what caught my attention is the high amount of traffic out of that airport now with all the Low Cost Carriers on the block. I had a 8pm departure, so in waiting for my flight I was watching the traffic. I noticed the departing flights had a fair wait due to the high amount of arrivals in to the airport.

Oh and I can't stress to all the CX pax that online check in saves you from having to stand in line when you get into the airport. I checked in the night before online and got to the airport to find the self check in line was empty and the regular line was packed  
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 6:09 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago



Thanks for psoting the pictures! I must say it looks better than it did when I was there last year. In January 2011 it was horrendous, and then I was back again in June, and saw very little improvement. Glad to see it's coming along! And yes, running water and paper towels in the CR is a GOOD thing!

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:34 pm

Quoting RobK (Reply 16):
Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?

It operates solely between Clark (CRK) and Cebu (CEB)
... and it´s cargo only ! So, no chance for a ride ...
During daytime it´s usually parked at CRK.

 
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

Akiestar´s list is correct !

I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894). An experience that doesn´t call for repeat ...
(I´ll take a LET-410 or AN-24/26 anytime, though)

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 13):
The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.
So, MIAA had to revert to the original 550,-Peso.
But they are working towards a new increase, of course ...

Thanks for the info   

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

NAIA Terminal 1 is the only airport that i frequent in Phil. For sure the terminal has improved a lot since 2007 ...and yes the CRs (restrooms) have a pleasant makeover. However in the near future the waiting area at the boarding gates will start to be overflowing. As of now it is manageable as usually the heavies are not parked next to each other at the same time!

For sure the air traffic (& road traffic) is increasing a lot around NAIA. waiting at the holding point RWY 06 for 4 arrivals ( and a couple of departures from RWY 13-31) is not uncommon in the evening.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:41 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 23):
After they have redesigned it to meet even the bare minimum of ICAO safety standards perhaps. I mean look at that runway over the sea - who designed it, a 5 year old?

That is a conceptual model meant to convey a general idea of the development.....and probably put together by model makers who might or might not know any better. For a presentation, it would have served its purpose... and the audience would be none the wiser.

IIRC, the initial intent was to cut from the hill and fill the runway extension threshold and displaced threshold areas, but that scheme was reportedly blocked by the locals. Just as well, considering the massive work and costs involved for this supposedly private funded project. Not to mention the time it would take for the substrate to settle and stabilise. These plus the required easements, shoulders, embankments and shore protection could have led to the deck-on-pier design.

That brings with it another set of difficult hurdles if they were bent on flying in tourists from the region directly on jets. This would have an immense effect on their business case and could re-scope (which is fine by me, as it will preserve the area for TProps  ) .....or halt the project (which would be a bummer).

I believe that whoever will be hired to do the detailed design will have the knowledge, especially if outside consultants are retained. So things like navaids, lighting and yes...pavement markings, etc. required for the airport category they finally settle on would be according to code. Not too sure about the construction contract.   
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
MNL-JJN 3x weekly (Starting 26 April)

What airport code is JJN>?
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:43 pm

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 33):
What airport code is JJN>?

Quanzhou, Jinjiang in the province of Fujian.

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting MHG (Reply 5):
Sometimes even small steps are welcome ...

Dragonair is to start a daily flight HKG-CRK from june 1st with A320.

Thank you for sharing that report! Did Dragonair release a statement regarding that?

Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino's Facebook page, CX, DL, and EK are expected to move to NAIA T-3 joining NH.

When I flew to/from MNL, T-1's restrooms were unsanitary in my opinion. Also, a lack of concessions and passenger amenities post-security will not satisfy the increasing passenger numbers I believe.

Should the Philippine government eliminate or significantly reduce the Value Added Tax enforced to non-Philippine airlines?
As I mentioned in a separate discussion, KL pulled out of nonstop MNL-AMS and vice versa with the VAT as a huge contribution.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 35):
Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino's Facebook page, CX, DL, and EK are expected to move to NAIA T-3 joining NH.

When I flew to/from MNL, T-1's restrooms were unsanitary in my opinion. Also, a lack of concessions and passenger amenities post-security will not satisfy the increasing passenger numbers I believe

According to the man himself, Terminal 3 will now fully open in 2014.

http://rp1.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...2/naia-3-be-fully-operational-2014

Quote:
MACTAN, Cebu, Philippines – The Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA-3) in Pasay City, which has been partially opened, will be fully operational before 2014, President Aquino said here yesterday.

Aquino said the government has a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the Takenaka group, the sub-contractor of NAIA-3 builder Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (PIATCO), to complete the project.

“There’s an MOU already with the Takenaka group to finish the portion of the work that has been left aside, some structural corrections with regard to NAIA-3,” he said in an open forum at the Shangri-La Hotel here.

It was also in the same conference that President Aquino announced that DL, CX and EK are moving to Terminal 3. Hope DL builds a better Sky Club! 

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 35):
Should the Philippine government eliminate or significantly reduce the Value Added Tax enforced to non-Philippine airlines?

There's a bill pending in Congress to abolish the CCT and the gross billings tax.

And speaking of reducing payments, in the Philippines, airlines used to pay for the overtime of customs personnel at airports because employees of the Bureau of Customs only had an 8-5 shift. Not anymore.

http://business.inquirer.net/54987/a...govt-move-for-airports-to-open-247

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines—Foreign and local airlines on Friday welcomed the government’s decision to stop charging airlines for the overtime pay of customs and other personnel manning airports and to adopt a 24/7 operation as practiced worldwide, saying this would make the country more competitive and hence attractive to business and tourists.

“This singular act speaks volumes in terms of governance. An airport is a gateway to the country and its services, including the enforcement of customs laws, are the responsibility of the government, not the airlines,” said lawyer Bayani Agabin, spokesperson of the Board of Airline Representatives (BAR).

Last month, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima told customs officials that international airports would go 24/7 instead of the present 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. shift and directed them to submit their manpower requirements for budget purposes.

Technically, the airport itself will not be 24/7 (MNL still has a curfew due to noise restrictions), but the staff will be, so that's good for the airlines.
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Is Jolibees going to buy an airline too?

   What were you having 'Fly? No, it's too big for them...they'd get stung if they do.   


Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.

Take a look at this.....

http://business.inquirer.net/55597/z...t-airways-eyes-middle-east-flights

Quote:
"Zest Airways, the airline of juice drink magnate Alfred Yao, has bared plans to fly to the Middle East, which is home to millions of overseas Filipino workers.

Documents from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) showed that the company applied for the authority to mount regular flights to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[.....]

Zest Airways currently operates a fleet of nine Airbus A320 jets and one Airbus A319, all of which have a flight range of four hours, which are insufficient for direct flights to the Middle East."


I'm afraid you might find it too "dry" out there.

But why is it that all of a sudden, everyone thinks he could mix it up with the big guys? They gotta have the right aircraft first, or stop somewhere along the way.....which might be "unpopular".


By the way, anyone knows if 5J have already received all of their ATR-72s on order?

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 37):
But why is it that all of a sudden, everyone thinks he could mix it up with the big guys? They gotta have the right aircraft first, or stop somewhere along the way.....which might be "unpopular".

Z2's long been rumored to be obtaining 767s and/or 777s to complement their narrow-body fleet. Of course, no one knows what happened to their supposed fleet expansion plan if they can't even keep the international service they have out of MNL: MNL-ICN for them ended in May and is restarting in June, while they couldn't even make MNL-CRK-HKG work, nor confirm the actual starting date for MNL-JJN until now (it was supposed to start in December).

As with a lot of things with Z2, I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting MHG (Reply 30):
I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894). An experience that doesn´t call for repeat ...
(I´ll take a LET-410 or AN-24/26 anytime, though)

I flew the MA-60 once (MNL-MRQ), and it was okay. But those lavatory ceilings are low!   

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
Now, that would certainly be a welcome development! PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those come Cat 1.  

It would seem the reported visit of Boeing executives to SMC's headquarters had positive results?

Jaime Bautista announced that PR was looking at 787s to address ULH flying needs, but the earliest they can get 787s according to them was in 2017. I'm not sure they'd want to wait that long unless they buy airlines' canceled orders (like MU).
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:20 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

Again, I think the best the MIAA can do for T1 is to convert it to a Domestic/LCC terminal. The South Concourse could serve as the LCC sattelite, from where passengers could walk over to the North Concourse to connect with their domestic flights, after Immigration, collecting their luggage and Customs clearance. LCCs with domestic ops could just send onward passengers to their planes after processing.....

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And while at it, they should reroof the whole building after all electro/mechanical systems (including elevators, escalators, conveyors, carousels, etc) are upgraded, and refinish the exteriors or at least brush clean those to remove decades of grime, and seal it with a nice, durable, water-resistant, low-maintenance coating.

Then demolish the existing domestic terminal to allow for more apron space.....and build the shuttle access road that will quickly connect T3 to T1. They could then transfer all full-service international carriers to T3.

Understandably, any project that would make it more convenient for their competitors' passengers would be opposed by PR and 5J. But it could benefit their operations too.

Quoting MHG (Reply 30):

I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894)

  

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 38):
As with a lot of things with Z2, I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, the T7 is particularly incredible. Do they really have ten NBs in their fleet or are those just on call from a lessor?

Amusing when Seair were merrily flying a motley assortment of YS-11, DH-7, CN-235, Do-328, Let-410 and the odd BAe-146. Thought they'd be content running a domestic fleet of say, second- hand Q200s or ATR-42s. Guess the lure of handsome profits was too much to resist.   

Gotta love it when everybody and his uncle want to be in the airline business. Makes it seem like the country has struck a huge oil deposit, and nobody is bleeding money.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 38):
Jaime Bautista announced that PR was looking at 787s to address ULH flying needs, but the earliest they can get 787s according to them was in 2017. I'm not sure they'd want to wait that long unless they buy airlines' canceled orders (like MU).

I think Boeing could find them a forgone slot or two if SMC showed them the money and they liked its color.           
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:00 am

So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2Phttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-planes-after-san-miguel-deal.html

Quote:
Philippine Airlines Inc. plans to order at least 100 new planes, resume flights to Europe and bolster U.S. services after selling a stake to San Miguel Corp. (SMC)

The carrier’s two main owners will provide $1 billion to help fund the fleet plan, Ramon Ang, president of the airline and of San Miguel, said in an interview in Manila yesterday. San Miguel will inject $750 million in PAL and affiliate Air Philippines Corp., including a $500 million stake purchase, while billionaire Lucio Tan will deliver the rest, he said.

PR is also mulling an immediate return to Europe, and a significant expansion in North America.

Quote:
PAL will “immediately” resume flights to Europe once Philippine carriers are allowed in, Ang said, listing Paris, London and Spain as possible destinations. In the U.S., the carrier is looking at New York, Chicago and Florida, he said. It already flies to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Vancouver in North America.

This is good news indeed!      
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:53 am

the HKIA flight information system is showing HKG-Davao by SEAIR starting later in May, but I so far found no information, can and one shed some light on this?

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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:05 am

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0....html

Thanks for the post. I found the following snippet very interesting:

Quote:
San Miguel may pitch plans for the new four-runway airport to the government in the “near future,” Ang said. Construction of the facility, able to handle 100 million passengers annually, could begin this year, he said.

Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:11 am

Lots of interesting reads about Ramon Ang's plans for PAL and Air Philippines.

1. A blogger is reporting that PAL is in negotiations with Boeing for the following to replace current 744, 343 and 333 fleet:

12 787s (as early as 2016)
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)
Additional 4 77Ws

A 333s will be transferred to Air Phil Express for flights to the Middle East.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-airbus-for-boeing-widebodies.html

2. Leveraging other SMC assets for PAL's benefit:

- Petron - Fuel costs and ticket sales. Tickets (as well as terminal fees) can be bought at Petron stations
- Bank of Commerce - Ticket sales, same as Petron stations
- Magnolia - Contemplating complimentary bottled water at airports with no drinking fountains
- SMC Purefoods - Contemplating pandesal with corned beef, meat loaf or chicken nuggets again at airports

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...800499&publicationSubCategoryId=64

(I questioned in a previous thread why SMC was investing in PAL... I may have to eat my words if PAL/SMC can pull together synergies.)
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 43):
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)

Yessss!!!!   
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
Quote:
PAL will “immediately” resume flights to Europe once Philippine carriers are allowed in, Ang said, listing Paris, London and Spain as possible destinations. In the U.S., the carrier is looking at New York, Chicago and Florida, he said. It already flies to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Vancouver in North America.

No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true. I hope Florida does well for them.
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:00 pm

im not sure if someone already shared this =) but here goes.  
PAL opts for 747-8 and 787's =)

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-airbus-for-boeing-widebodies.html
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:39 am

Being careful na 'di makuryente dito (local mediaspeak for not falling for a false newsleak).....

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P!

Curious that only Bloomberg got wind of a potential order this big. Did their two, likely Filipina reporters (by their names) scooped the other specialist aviation press? Then left the news buried in the Transportation section (granted it's where it belonged).

However, the Inquirer also has the story.....

http://business.inquirer.net/56187/p...es-100-new-planes-to-beef-up-fleet

Perhaps Boeing only caught a "whiff" of SMC's moolah and had not actually seen its color? Or are they waiting for PNoy's trip before making the public announcement? Their site has nothing on it, as well as the specialist press.

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 42):
Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?

NAIA is bursting at the seams and no longer have growth potential. Clark is the most practical and obvious choice being large, secure, with some of the needed utilities and facilities, two existing parallel runways, and the surrounding communities' long association with airfield operations. Negatives are the proximity to Mt. Pinatubo, and the distance and traffic to metropolitan MNL. The other sites are smaller by comparison and would require extensive development.


Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 43):
12 787s (as early as 2016)
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)
Additional 4 77Ws

This doesn't concern Boeing, but no TPs for 2PX??

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 45):

No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true. I hope Florida does well for them.

Don't get dismayed just yet. The linked blog above still mentions SAN.....

Quote:
"Ang however cautioned that the long-haul expansion plans depend upon the Philippines improving safety standards soon as they will fly immediately to New York via Vancouver, Seattle, San Diego and Chicago when the category rating of the country is upgraded to Category 1."

Quoting filoflyer (Reply 46):
im not sure if someone already shared this =) but here goes.

See three posts up!


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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:36 am

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 42):
Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?

I wouldn't know, but the plans do seem interesting.

I did suggest somewhere on another forum that maybe instead of CRK, the government can focus on expanding PRB (Plaridel, Bulacan) instead. It's much closer to MNL, and much of the surrounding area is still farmland. However, I believe the JICA made a study on which would be the most viable replacement to MNL, with the following choices if I remember correctly:

CRK
SGL
Proposed reclamation of Laguna de Bay
MNL expansion

CRK won hands-down. (Although I wish they did add PRB to the study so we can see how good the prospects are for expanding it.)
 
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RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:50 am

I'm glad RPLC was renamed back to Clark International. Nothing against the old man but his daughter and her husband's family is really corurpt. Although corruption is a relative term in the Philippines.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543777&postcount=545

Toilet seat in the CR!  Wow!
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 47):
Perhaps Boeing only caught a "whiff" of SMC's moolah and had not actually seen its color?

Will PAL expect a 1 PHP to 1 USD exchange rate?  


Flew from RPLL - RPLP last year.

RPLP Airport

Ain't I a stinker?