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Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:00 pm

Lets have a discussion on this topic. As we know that IAG has bought BMI from LH there are speculations and rumours going on of which routes BA want to keep or axe from LHR when they take over BMI slots that are very valuable. We know we have to wait till 11 May to hear the news.

Here is the list of BMIs destination from LHR today. Some of the routes are also served by BA today-

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Addis Ababa, Aberdeen, Agadir, Almaty, Amman-Queen Alia, Amritsar, Baku, Basel/Mulhouse [ends 20 May 2012], Beirut, Belfast-City, Bergen, Bishkek, Cairo, Casablanca, Damascus, Dammam, Dublin, Edinburgh, Freetown, Hannover, Jeddah, Khartoum, Manchester (UK), Marrakech, Moscow-Domodedovo, Nice, Riyadh, Stavanger, Tbilisi, Tehran-Imam Khomeini, Tripoli, Vienna, Yerevan


We know that Nice, Cairo, Riyadh, Moscow, Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen are saved as a agreement that IAG made when they took over BMI.

So the 1 million question is, which of the next destinations will be axed and where will there be new destinations or increased departures from LHR.


My suggestions are that MAN will be kept and increased with 1-2 departures and SVG will have twice departures a day from LHR with BA because this destination is a major oil destination in Europe, which means higher yield. BA have SVG very high on their list to serve this destination. You should remember that SVG is the second profitable route for KLM in Europe after SVO, so BA would like to take a market share there.

I think that Belfast, DUB will also be axed since there are many flights from London to these destinations. Elsewise I think that every destinations on the list that has not been mentioned by me will be axed or not increased where BA serve today since BA would prefer to use the free slots to US like New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Atlanta. They might also increase daily flights to places like MAD, OSL, CPH, HEL, DEL, Mumbai I think. They might also start a route to Seoul.

These are my suggestions or speculations from me. Lets hear your view of the topic.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:12 pm

I see them dropping AMM, they will leave that route to RJ.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:22 pm

The BA domestic routes are already run at a high frequency on all the routes so I don't think BA will want to waste precious slots on more domestic when they could easily Increase capacity instead.

I think BHD will remain as a destination for now. Did BA not commit to the service?

I wouldn't be surprised to see BA just doing a codeshare with EI on DUB.

I could see BA dropping some of the Middle Eastern BMI A321 routes (e.g. FRU,ALA) which carry really low pax numbers - from TR's I've read they always seem to have 50 odd pax on board (albeit high yielding).

I think Asian expansion is odds on for what BA will do with a healthy number of the slots.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:25 pm

AGA and RAK will no doubt move to LGW ops with CMN remaining LHR.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:29 pm

Quoting CaptainDoony (Reply 2):
I think BHD will remain as a destination for now. Did BA not commit to the service?

Willie Walsh, an Irishman said he was glad BA were back on the Belfast route. However when the dust settled and a code share on BFS-LHR works better freeing up slots for long haul, I think it will be dropped. Same goes for Dublin.
BA was happy to see most of the BMED routes go to BMI and most of the traditional Euro routes were dropped years ago.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 21, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 4):

I don't think that BFS is a high yield route enough for BA to keep this route, so I think that BA won't use their slots there. Code sharing could do well with Aer Lingus.

Otherwise, I think that BA will use their slots to increase their frequency to GIG, Hong-Kong and Tokyo.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:08 am

Manchester has one rotation increase by BA in winter already.

Belfast has been identified by Willy Walsh as likely to remain.

The scottish routes are on the transfer list so are likely to go.

Amman can only remain IF BA end their codeshare arrangements with RJ.

Amritsar will be canned .

Nice and Cairo are up for transfer to another carrier.

The Norwegian routes are likely canned.

Dublin If history serves will also be closed .

Saudi routes merged with existing BA.

Beirut - Good to remain

Some of the oil/gas routes may be retained however the North and West African routes seem bleak.

Khartoum ?

Tehran and Damascus may pose BA some political problems and may be suspended.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:17 am

Quoting barca (Reply 5):

BA already codeshare with EI out of DUB and BFS. There will be huge opposition to BHD-LHR being axed and I think BA will keep BHD as suggested. DUB is 50/50 .
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:21 am

BA's own LHR-BFS was a massive loss maker due to BA's internal costing and accounting. The day that BMI's BHD-LHR moves across, what changes? The problem was revenue allocation, with the revenue going to long haul due to the large number of connections, they tried really hard to make BFS work.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting barca (Reply 5):
Otherwise, I think that BA will use their slots to increase their frequency to GIG, Hong-Kong and Tokyo.

I don't think HKG will see a frequency increase this Winter. BA was planning to continue to operate the route 17 x weekly in the winter. However they have removed the planned 3 x weekly BA021/BA022 from sale for the whole of the Winter timetable

BA will use the slots to increase frequencies on some shorthaul routes (BER & DUS have already had a additional rotation added for W12) and will open 2 or possibly 3 new routes to Asia and South America
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:03 am

Quoting barca (Reply 5):
I think that BA will use their slots to increase their frequency to GIG, Hong-Kong and Tokyo.

PVG is another one.

Plus ICN etc. CAN?
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:08 am

Many are suggesting that LHR-DUB will be closed. I have no opinion. However I am sure that BA will think very carefully before quitting what is the busiest short haul international route out of LHR.

The CAA web site gives the following data for passenger numbers (millions) on the five busiest short haul international routes from LHR in 2011:

1. DUB: 1.556

2. FRA: 1.468

3. AMS: 1.407

4. CDG: 1.272

5. MAD: 1,191

Of course yields may be a different matter. But if BA do quit DUB a lot of Diamond Club members are not going to be very pleased.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting barca (Thread starter):

I think that Belfast, DUB will also be axed since there are many flights from London to these destinations.

A lot of noise was made early on that the BHD would indeed be maintained! It is a successful route and that airport seems to be more preferred then BFS which EI operates from with its own base.

Sadly however I dont think DUB will be maintained!
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:38 am

BMI operated a quite extensive series of charter flights over the summer weekends for many years to Greece, amongst other countries, EFL for example had at least 3 flights from the UK every Saturday operated by 319's & 320's for a number of smaller tour operators, any thoughts as to what will happen with these?
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:13 am

Quoting barca (Thread starter):
We know that Nice, Cairo, Riyadh, Moscow, Edinburgh and/or Aberdeen are saved as a agreement that IAG made when they took over BMI.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6):
The scottish routes are on the transfer list so are likely to go.
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 6):
Nice and Cairo are up for transfer to another carrier.

It's not really a case of these destinations going or being saved, BA already serve them. And there is nothing to stop BA increasing frequencies or capacity to replace bmi if they so wish
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:12 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 14):
It's not really a case of these destinations going or being saved, BA already serve them. And there is nothing to stop BA increasing frequencies or capacity to replace bmi if they so wish

Don't think that's correct , true those routes ARE all operated by BA and that's exactly the reason BA have offered those slot and named routes up for redistribution (if any one wants them).
BA seem pretty satisfied with the existing frequency levels.

In fact the premise of this debate is nonsense since bmi will not exist after the summer schedule so all their current operations end.

BA are now evaluating the whole bmi operation and the number of former bd routes likely to remain is tiny.
The only one that fits automatically is a return to Beirut,

Even what should be a sure fire fit - Amman is posing problems with the need to terminate the RJ codeshare arrangements a one world partner and all.

Some of the CIS routes may fit however may need re-licensing and here the network has contracted from Bmed days.
Just Baku, Almaty (Alma Ata of old), Bishkek, Tbilisi and Yerevan remain.

From that Baku (Gas and Oil) and Tbilisi (Similarly) may remain however BA may well prefer to develop a deeper relationship with S7 via Moscow to connect these areas in future.

As frequently pointed out by one Skipness1E BA DON'T like to do tag-ons and this jeopardises Khartoum and perhaps Addis as well. (Addis is strong *A) but we shall see on these.

As for North and West Africa . BA are already active in Morocco and the Freetown route is a political expedient.

Freetown currently has good premium traffic (NGOs and military advisors etc...)
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:28 am

Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 13):

ABZ had a number of BMI charter flights in the summer season and they have all been canned so I would imagine the same will happen throughout the network.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:18 am

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
Of course yields may be a different matter. But if BA do quit DUB a lot of Diamond Club members are not going to be very pleased.

BA already have an agreement for EI lounge access ( DUB and LHR) and miles earning with EI. It would be great if BA could enhance that agreement to allow access to the EI lounges for all EI flights but I cant see it happening. The Agreement is only for LHR and LGW flights.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:47 pm

Quoting barca (Thread starter):
BA have SVG very high on their list to serve this destination.

Yes, during 2010 BA was evaluating new destinations in Scandinavia other than the capitals, and I think GOT, SVG and BGO were the nominated ones. GOT finally won and started receiving double daily A319s in November '10.

This is one route were I imagine an extra daily flight would be no less than reasonable, especially as the current schedule looks like this:

BA790 LHR07.35 - GOT10.35
BA792 LHR15.45 - GOT18.45

BA791 GOT11.55 - LHR13.00
BA793 GOT19.35 - LHR20.40

A big chunk of the passengers fly BA to connect through LHR and with this schedule, it means that if you fly from Gothenburg you can only choose flights departing LHR after 2PM at the earliest, and if you're flying to Gothenburg you can only choose flights arriving LHR at 3PM at the latest!

As an example, next winter GOT-LHR-SAN fits perfectly with its afternoon departure from LHR, while the return is impossible (unless you want to spend the night at the airport) as the flight arrives LHR at 15.20.

Therefore, a third flight with this approximate scheduling would be ideal:

LHR20.30 - GOT23.30
GOT06.30 - LHR07.35

The BA Scandinavia Commercial Manager Peter Rasmussen has said that the route is performing better than expected and that they're there to stay.

So is there a possibility to a third daily?

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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:57 pm

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 18):

Yes, there is a possibility for a 3rd departure to GOT, but it depends if BA would prefer to do that. I think that they are more interested to open new routes or add more frequency to more popular places.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:17 pm

Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 13):
BMI operated a quite extensive series of charter flights over the summer weekends for many years to Greece, amongst other countries, EFL for example had at least 3 flights from the UK every Saturday operated by 319's & 320's for a number of smaller tour operators, any thoughts as to what will happen with these?

It depends on whether BA think this is a profitable use for the aircraft against operating scheduled services. However, I don't think finding a new operator for the services will be too difficult. Olympic Holidays finds a new operator every year (after the old one goes bust or wants more money) for their charter services to Greece from MAN and LGW!  

BA CityFlyer has had a similar summer weekend charter arrangement on a smaller scale for the past few years. However, CityFlyer is a separate business unit to BA mainline and is influenced by the weekend curfew at LCY combined with the lack of business traffic that the airport thrives on.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
BA already codeshare with EI out of DUB and BFS. There will be huge opposition to BHD-LHR being axed and I think BA will keep BHD as suggested. DUB is 50/50 .

Indeed they do, but this was very much because BA couldn't make any money out of either airport thanks to high competition. This is somewhat a different arena now with BD out of the picture. Also, remember that EI flies out of BFS (the international airport) and not BHD (the City airport that BD flies out of). BA would be foolish to lose an opportunity to get back into this market so I don't think it would be ridiculous to see BA flying their own metal out of BHD to either LHR or LCY.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:14 pm

I would be surprised if BEY was axed- it is currently a 10x weekly operation and has provides year round high loads.
3 of those weekly services continue on to Khartoum & Adis Ababa though. I imagine these two destinations will be axed and Beirut will go down to daily service, perhaps with 767/321 mixture.

Members on this forum have said that Khartoum wouldn't survive as a service in its own right unfortunately and who knows about Adis Ababa..

I guess we will have to see what will happen. It is interesting though- I have 4 BD flights to Beirut booked from now to Christmas.. and I have no idea if they are going to be changed/ cancelled
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:28 pm

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 21):

Id love to see a split service BHD to LHR/LCY.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:56 pm

BA are currently slot sitting with high frequency flights to BCN, CDG, ORY, so there is nothing to stop them retaining BD routes and launching long hauls from current BA slot sitting routes.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:19 am

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 18):
Therefore, a third flight with this approximate scheduling would be ideal

If connectivity is a real problem it could be addressed by simply rescheduling the second of the two LHR-GOT flights to a later slot. It only makes sense to add an additional flight using scarce LHR slots if there is suffiucient demand for a third flight.

Quoting richardw (Reply 24):
BA are currently slot sitting with high frequency flights to BCN, CDG, ORY

It surprises me a little that BA is slot sitting at LHR. It certainly does not jibe well with spending £172.5 million to effectively buy LHR slots and also in moving what was the daily BA894/5 (LHR-ALG-LHR) rotation to LGW where it has operated as BA2546/7 since the start of the current summer season (25 March).

I also note that there are only three daily LHR-ORY flights (four on Sunday) with departures at 08:10, 15:45 and 19:35. All are scheduled to be operated by 319s except the early morning Saturday flight that is scheduled to be a 320. So I guess with the small aircraft and short route one or more of these flights could be slot-sitters

Although there are now nine daily BA flights to BCN (eight on Sunday) it should be remembered that the first change when IAG was created was that BA took over all of IB's BCN-LHR flights. This was because neither BCN nor LHR are an IB hub, so operating IB flights on this route was less economically efficient than operating BA flights out of its LHR hub.

Initially BA operated eight daily flights between LHR and BCN. Last summer all these flights were scheduled to be operated by 320s. However the CAA has reported that 710,101 passengers travelled between LHR and BCN in 2011. This is an increase of 17 per cent on their 2010 figure of 602,810. It is therefore not surprising that, in addition to the extra daily flight, BA are now scheduling some of these flights to be operated by larger aircraft.Ten flights a week are now scheduled to be operated by 321s and five to be operated by 763s. However the early morning (06:25) departure which was scheduled to be a 320 last summer is now scheduled to be a 319. So this could be a slot sitter even if early morning slots for departures to continental European destinations are usually at a premium. But this seems, at least to me, unlikely on a relartively long flight of two hours and with the mix of aircraft used through the week.

BA operate six daily flights to CDG (with seven on Friday). This is a very short route and between one and four flights each day are scheduled to be operated by 319s. On two days two flights are scheduled to be operated by 321s. And on Tuesday the BA flights on this route are scheduled to be operated by 319 (1), 320 (3) 321 (1) and 763 (1) aircraft. This is not the sort of mix I would expect to see if there was slot sitting on this route. However with the 319 ever present in the daily aircraft mix and the length of the route it is possible.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting barca (Reply 5):
Otherwise, I think that BA will use their slots to increase their frequency to GIG, Hong-Kong and Tokyo

- I don't see any increases in Tokyo. NRT used to be twice daily with 744's, it's now daily with a 77W, HND has been added and runs with a 772, this is plenty of capacity, a codeshare with JL can't be too far down the line either, they too run a daily 77W flight.

KIX is a possibility once the 788's come on line as is ICN.

I'd love to see either SGN or HAN but I'm not sure how brave BA will be, one can always hope I guess.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
As frequently pointed out by one Skipness1E BA DON'T like to do tag-ons and this jeopardises Khartoum and perhaps Addis as well. (Addis is strong *A) but we shall see on these.

Yes, agree, KRT and ADD should go. As said above, tags are no good, but ADD's altitude makes only widebody service viable, and there probably isn't enough demand for 767 service.

BEY is probably very good for them.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:38 pm

Routing KRT and ADD services over AMM and BEY is geographical madness and was only done because of the range constraints of the A321 which can't do LON-KRT non-stop. Given a different fleet, the sensible thing would be a 767 routing LHR-KRT-ADD - replicating LH's service.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting barca (Thread starter):
Tripoli,

As far as I know, BMI never got to make even one flight to Tripoli before the 2011 revolution started. It was timetabled but never actually flew.

This will definitely be a route that BA will want to cancel as BA couldn't make its double daily service work. The staff loved it and the ex-pat workers liked it but there wasn't enough ex-pat workers to fill 2 flights. The BMI timings were very similar to the BA timings.

If BA could launch a flight MAN-TIP that would work.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:32 pm

Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 28):
Routing KRT and ADD services over AMM and BEY is geographical madness and was only done because of the range constraints of the A321 which can't do LON-KRT non-stop. Given a different fleet, the sensible thing would be a 767 routing LHR-KRT-ADD - replicating LH's service.

bmi holds fifth freedom rights on AMM-ADD and BEY-KRT and significant traffic is carried. There is also significant cargo traffic

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
As far as I know, BMI never got to make even one flight to Tripoli before the 2011 revolution started. It was timetabled but never actually flew.

Actually the inaugural flight did operate and was chock a block full on the TIP-LHR sector. That ended up being the only rotation operated.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:49 am

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
If BA could launch a flight MAN-TIP that would work.

Maybe, but someone would need to tell BA where MAN is, no it is not Mansfield. No chance of this.

MAN will end up with the BA flights as is maybe with 321's running. The Star connections will probably fill the LH/LX/SN MAN flights more. How this will effect the likes of TG/SQ/CA/AN/BR/NZ etc out of LHR is any ones guess. Some of the 380's planned for LHR may end up in FRA. I am sure selling BMI will benefit LH FRA/MUC hubs.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
This will definitely be a route that BA will want to cancel as BA couldn't make its double daily service work. The staff loved it and the ex-pat workers liked it but there wasn't enough ex-pat workers to fill 2 flights. The BMI timings were very similar to the BA timings.

If BA could launch a flight MAN-TIP that would work.

You are saying LHR-TIP "WILL" be cancelled but you are sure MAN-TIP "WOULD work". On what planet?
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:36 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32):
You are saying LHR-TIP "WILL" be cancelled but you are sure MAN-TIP "WOULD work". On what planet?

Yeah my thoughts too. BA can't even make MAN-JFK work so there is no way they are going to start MAN-TIP!

Quoting babybus (Reply 29):
This will definitely be a route that BA will want to cancel as BA couldn't make its double daily service work. The staff loved it and the ex-pat workers liked it but there wasn't enough ex-pat workers to fill 2 flights. The BMI timings were very similar to the BA timings.

As far as I knew this route was doing just fine. Perhaps double daily was too much but the route has both demand and good yields. Partly another reason why BD followed them there.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 27):
BEY is probably very good for them.

I'd like to know if there is someone who really knows the actual facts on LON-BEY. I'm pretty sure a very large number connect at LON and wonder why BA were happy for it to be franchised for all those years?
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):

When BA last served Beirut , the route was over saturated. MEA operated 747s, BMed operated A321/320s and BA brought in 767s on the Beirut- London route. It was clear that not all 3 carriers could survive. Passenger numbers were alot different then...

BMED operated On behalf of BA and although BA didn't directly benefit from the Beirut-London-Beirut revenue, they did well on all of the connecting traffict - mostly from America. So it was a mutually beneficial agreement.

I regularly fly to Beirut & have friends who work for BMI as cabin crew and they are nearly always full in both cabins on that route.
The route is now 10x weekly.. The average economy ticket price is £490-£500 , £1200 in Business. Summer season (if you can find a seat) rises in excess of £650 in economy. This is for a 4 hour flight.
In comparison, BMI charge roughly half that fare for similarly lengthed Amman services. I could see Beirut seeing 767 service and would be very surprised if BA didn't keep it going.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:00 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 15):
From that Baku (Gas and Oil) and Tbilisi (Similarly) may remain however BA may well prefer to develop a deeper relationship with S7 via Moscow to connect these areas in future.

Given the state of relations between Georgia and Russia, and the on-again-off-again flying between Moscow and Tblisi, I don't know that a codeshare with S7 would be the most reliable way to go. For my own reasons I hope that TBS stays, I guess we'll see   Baku does seem like a fairly likely one to stay with the large expat base and the oil & gas operations there, but I'm no insider, either.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32):
MAN-TIP "WOULD work"

Because there is a lot of connecting traffic in the north of England. Before the troubles kicked off a lot of oil staff had to fly to Amsterdam to connect to a TIP flight. The BA flight left too early from LHR for some people to conveniently connect to. There is also a strong Libyan ex-pat community in the north of England.

Quoting LX138 (Reply 33):
As far as I knew this route was doing just fine.

Is that the BA or BMI route? BMI only did one flight which was busy on the inbound only we are being told. BA had a very variable load on its 9.20am departure. It was full during school holidays but half full to near empty at other times.

The double daily didn't work at all for BA hence it was scrapped. It left TIP too early for anyone to catch and had passengers arriving at TIP too late to get taxis or connect to an internal flight.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:59 pm

For whatever reason, MAN is one of the first European destinations Libyan Airlines wants to resume
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:33 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 10):
Plus ICN etc. CAN?

CAN - This is one destination that could be operated by BA in the very very near future.. ICN is one of the routes that IAG definatly want to open in the next couple of years. IAG have said that they are interested i opening more routes to the such far east countries as China, Malaysia and Indonesia and to the South American countries of Brazil, Chile

Quoting ba319-131 (Reply 26):
I'd love to see either SGN or HAN but I'm not sure how brave BA will be, one can always hope I guess.

Vietnam has also been a destination that has come up time and time again recently. One option that is currently open to BA when it comes to starting a Vietnam route is to operate the flights as a continuation of the BKK service. Possibly operating 4 x weekly to SGN and 3 x Weekly to HAN. BA's BKK 747 is on the ground for about 8 hours at present before going home. That time could be used to operate flights to SGN or HAN.

Quoting raffik (Reply 34):
I could see Beirut seeing 767 service and would be very surprised if BA didn't keep it going.

Personally I don't think that there is one BD route that anyone can say will definately be 100% safe. When it comes to BEY I think there is a good chance it will continue. I know that the yields and load factor on the BEY route are quite high, there is also a lot of cargo traffic on the route. On paper BEY should stay. Will it?. Well we will find out soon enough
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 8:53 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 38):
Personally I don't think that there is one BD route that anyone can say will definately be 100% safe. When it comes to BEY I think there is a good chance it will continue. I know that the yields and load factor on the BEY route are quite high, there is also a lot of cargo traffic on the route. On paper BEY should stay. Will it?. Well we will find out soon enough

All any of us participating on this thread can do is speculate on what will happen, but if we measure likelihood, then we would assume that the routes that are profitable will be kept by BA. But of course, if the route is discontinued, which I would be surprised at due to the aforementioned loads and yields, then other airlines will do a good job in picking up those passengers. The cancellation of the flights would mean that there were about 1500 weekly passengers on the route that would need an alternative direct connection to London. MEA offers a daily A330 service which is as busy as bmi's.
So either they would need to go double daily (would they get the slots?) or passengers will go via Paris, Frankfurt, Zurich, Istanbul etc and it would be one hell of a missed opportunity for BA.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting raffik (Reply 39):
but if we measure likelihood, then we would assume that the routes that are profitable will be kept by BA.

Unless of course they are from the regions because some would have us believe that BA turns its back on profitable routes from these airports out of sheer spite for the North.....

(rolls eyes)

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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 39):
All any of us participating on this thread can do is speculate on what will happen, but if we measure likelihood, then we would assume that the routes that are profitable will be kept by BA.

Agreed. Heard today that BA hope to release there W12 schedule containing ex BD routes in about 6 to 8 weeks.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:38 pm

One route that I would expect to see 'axed' is the BMI service to Nice - irrespective of whether any other airline bids for slots to Nice under the EU rules.

I've just been down to Nice on short notice and the BA website was offering a total of 12 flights from three London airports including seven from LHR, of which two are BMI flights which depart within half an hour of existing BA flights. This seems a lot of flights and could do with rationalising down a bit - my suggestion would be put on some more A321s instead of 2x319s leaving close to each other and save yourself a couple of slots.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 pm

Quoting Humberside (Reply 37):

I seem to remember during the conflict Sky News were reporting from the large diaspora in Manchester so maybe thats why .

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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:55 am

Quoting ZuluTime (Reply 28):
Routing KRT and ADD services over AMM and BEY is geographical madness and was only done because of the range constraints of the A321 which can't do LON-KRT non-stop. Given a different fleet, the sensible thing would be a 767 routing LHR-KRT-ADD - replicating LH's service.

I hope BA does actually keep ADD and may be KRT. In its roadmap, BA has stated that it wants to expand in Africa. Keeping ADD and KRT is then needed along FNA. These can easily be operated by 763s.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:31 pm

I hope they decide to repatriate Jersey with the civilized world.

  

Sorry couldn't resist....I know it winds everyone up when you say things like that.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 45):
I hope they decide to repatriate Jersey with the civilized world.

If by that you mean moving JER to LHR, then I couldn't agree more! If you want to fly long-haul from JER (or the other Channel Islands) then its a complete pain in the a$$.
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:07 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 45):
I hope they decide to repatriate Jersey with the civilized world.

Would be good to add Jersey back into LHR, indeed I was hoping they might be tempted by Inverness as well. Unlikely though in this day and age, it's all flybe and easyJet in Highland-land nowadays.
 
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RE: Which BMI Destinations Will BA Axe From LHR

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:23 pm

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 46):
If by that you mean moving JER to LHR

  

How very dare they even have considered cutting us adrift like that !

On a serious note to make it worthwhile it's a big allocation of daily LHR slots.....i'm imagining anyway ?

Same old story I guess.
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