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Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:40 am

From kpae.blogspot.com

"The delivery ceremony for Lufthansa 747-8i D-ABYA, scheduled for April 23, has been canceled until further notice. "

Anyone with more details?
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:27 am

This thread - LH In More Trouble (by LH506 Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) - notes that LH is encountering business difficulties and will be ending some routes and not adding new planes until 2014.

That being said, it's a bit late in the game to decide they can't afford (figuratively) them.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:08 am

Man 747-8 and its delivery ceremonies....just cant catch a break..
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
This thread - LH In More Trouble (by LH506 Apr 21 2012 in Civil Aviation) - notes that LH is encountering business difficulties and will be ending some routes and not adding new planes until 2014.

It doesn't say that they won't add new planes until 2014, it says they won't grow their fleet until then. That doesn't seem to preclude taking delivery of aircraft to replace those being retired.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting clickhappy (Thread starter):
Anyone with more details?

The actual delivery, and not just the ceremony, was also due for the 23rd. Maybe it wasn't quite going to be ready.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:39 am

There must be an explanation to this. Maybe it is just postponed till LH management decide on what exactly they are going to do.
The worst case scenario... LH might want to park them for a while till they can replace the older aircraft instead of adding capacity? How many of the LH 748is are already built?

Surely if LH wanted to defer deliveries they would have communicated to the manufacturer already.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:54 am

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 5):
There must be an explanation to this. Maybe it is just postponed till LH management decide on what exactly they are going to do.

Impossible. You can not just cancel/postpone a delivery of a $300M plane 2 days before it is supposed to happen because you changed your mind or you might change long term plans. Simple things like contracts make that impossible.

There is probably some haggling at the background over paperwork or non-conforming items on a delivery check list. Actually there was a hint this could happen because no major ceremony which you was expect for the first 747-8i was ever scheduled.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:04 am

I don't follow the 748 programme terribly closely but wasn't there a technical issue that Lufthansa wasn't happy with? Something to do with the vertical stabiliser?

If so, that's most likely why the delivery has been postponed.

LH isn't going to decide they can't afford the plane and/or don't want with less than a week to go.   
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:10 am

I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

My manuals all get a serious update in the next couple of days because of the 748i.

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:25 am

Quoting AngMoh (Reply 6):
You can not just cancel/postpone a delivery of a $300M plane 2 days before it is supposed to happen because you changed your mind or you might change long term plans. Simple things like contracts make that impossible.

Cargolux did similar with their 747-8Fs Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday (by QANTAS747-438 Sep 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:31 am

I always had a sneaking suspicion that they were intended for LHR post BD and its slots.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:44 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 10):
I always had a sneaking suspicion that they were intended for LHR post BD and its slots.

Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:52 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 9):
Cargolux did similar with their 747-8Fs Cargolux To Not Take Delivery Of 747-8F On Monday (by QANTAS747-438 Sep 16 2011 in Civil Aviation)

That was also a clause in the contract not being met. The only minor point was the Cargolux accepted the deviation but their new investor Al Baker did not. If all points in the contract had been met, Cargolux would have taken delivery on the scheduled date regardless of Al Baker. Same for LH.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:08 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.


What ? LOL

No scheme regarding some way for an envious rival to shoe horn BA out of LHR would surprise 'me' !

It is a 'constant' in the airline industry.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:42 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 11):
Glad to see that you still have your sense of humour my friend.

I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:48 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

OK, I'll take the bait. What routes do you think they could've ( not 'could of'   ) used them on out of LHR?
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:50 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
I don't think it is so far fetched to assume that LH were planning to beef up BD at LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

But the airplane is already painted in LH livery. Maybe LH could transfer some other types to BD?
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
OK, I'll take the bait. What routes do you think they could've ( not 'could of' ) used them on out of LHR?

Andrew I'm just saying that when the order was placed the landscape lay a little differently. Remember that unlike VS they would have had the full force of the Star Alliance behind them supplying feed etc

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 16):
But the airplane is already painted in LH livery. Maybe LH could transfer some other types to BD?

Well it's a bit late now and anyway it wouldn't work now....the economic crisis etc

[Edited 2012-04-22 02:57:03]

[Edited 2012-04-22 02:57:23]

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:58 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):

Actually I could just be talking rubbish...I havn't really thought it through but I would not have been surprised.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:59 am

Think quite a few here mixes up the words postponed/delayed and cancelled........
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 14):
LHR under the BD banner with a fleet of 748's.

You mean like these:

http://file1.npage.de/002168/32/bilder/file0010.jpg

But on the other hand maybe these planes will go to Swiss instead  WinkSwiss To Replace A340 With Larger Jet (by columba Apr 19 2012 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2012-04-22 03:19:45]

[Edited 2012-04-22 03:22:16]
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:19 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

This could be a plausible explanation. If anything some last minute technical glitch can always postpone the delivery of any new airframe. Only hitch ....this being the first frame of its kind has a a lot of publicity attached to it.

However..waiting for an official explanation from LH or Boeing ..till then we all can all speculate and let our imaginations run wild   
 
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Quoting mikey72 (Reply 18):

Actually I could just be talking rubbish..



No kidding. Not everything in the world is a conspiracy against BA.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:53 am

Quoting PM (Reply 7):
I don't follow the 748 programme terribly closely but wasn't there a technical issue that Lufthansa wasn't happy with? Something to do with the vertical stabiliser?
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees and that they looked forward to delivery They also noted that the tail tank issue was a non-issue for them as none of the first round of destinations required the tank.

Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:23 am

I would think that the aircraft failed at the acceptance test. The inspectors of LH are famous for their findings of faults on new aircraft.

Report about the acceptance of a 747-400. (Sorry only in German)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGe-y3TOIs

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 24):
I would think that the aircraft failed at the acceptance test. The inspectors of LH are famous for their findings of faults on new aircraft.

Guess Boing should have scheduled their test flight for a couple weeks before delivery to allow LH inspectors time to review the data so that they did not have to schedule a delivery ceremony then cancel the day before due to failures.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?

April 13, with another customer flight the following day: BOE022 on Flightaware
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
Does anybody know when the C1 flight was?

The first to be delivered Lufthansa 747-8 intercontinental - RC022/D-ABYA - made it's first customer (C1) test flight at Friday the 13th .......................

See Matt Cawby's KPAE blog : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2012/04/paine-field-april-13.html

Perhaps the following issue may have delayed the delivery date :

See reply 143 of A-net member "na" in Official 747-8 Flight Tracking & Production Part 8 (by SA7700 Jan 12 2012 in Civil Aviation)

I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 25):
Guess Boing should have scheduled their test flight for a couple weeks before delivery

You clearly have no idea what was scheduled and carried out before the scheduling of this delivery.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 22):
No kidding. Not everything in the world is a conspiracy against BA.

Who said anything about conspiring ?

Just business.

If I acquired an airline with 10% of slots at an airport like Heathrow I'd consider my options as I'm sure LH (and the further Star Alliance) did.

If Europe were not in the economic pit that it is and LH not as stretched as it is the outcome with BD may have been different.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:09 pm

Couldn't they just take delivery of the plane just for show then roll it into the hanger till the problems are sorted out?

This doesn't look good for Boeing or their 'new' baby.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 27):
I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.

A major problem when installing too soon.. could be the cause however shouldn't the 2nd a/ps interiors be available?
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:30 pm

Quoting 747classic (Reply 27):
I heard untrained workers at Boeing have massively damaged/scratched the LH-specific interiors of the first plane when they removed them after inspection to make room to "lay the final cables". New furniture has to be made and built in.

That sounds reasonable. Perhaps the installation of the new interior is taking longer than planned. I am guessing this is the custom First Class cabinetry?



Quoting kanban (Reply 31):
A major problem when installing too soon.. could be the cause however shouldn't the 2nd a/ps interiors be available?

If this is the cabinetry for First Class, it might already be installed on the other planes and not available for Ship #1.

Quoting babybus (Reply 30):
Couldn't they just take delivery of the plane just for show then roll it into the hanger till the problems are sorted out?

Taking delivery may very well weaken your legal position in terms of claims, so as with Cargolux, better to wait until the plane is to your specification.


Quoting babybus (Reply 30):
This doesn't look good for Boeing or their 'new' baby.

And as with Cargolux, it will fade soon enough from memory of all...

...well, all but a.net.  
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):

All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees

I had not heard that, and did a google without being able to find those comments.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:57 pm

What I find interesting about the Spiegel article is the exact wording:

http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/0,1518,828858,00.html

Several times, the article explicitly states that LH has decided not to operate any additional planes before 2014. Maybe a possible hint that they plan to lease out those new planes instead? This would also explain the cancelled delivery ceremony.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:02 pm

Quoting PlaneInsomniac (Reply 34):
Several times, the article explicitly states that LH has decided not to operate any additional planes before 2014. Maybe a possible hint that they plan to lease out those new planes instead? This would also explain the cancelled delivery ceremony.

Well, 2 744's have left the fleet already, #3 to follow within the next 3 weeks. So if we get 3 more 748i's in 2012, then the fleet number would be the same. 27 744's and 3 748i's, total 30 747s.
More seats would be offered though. But only more Y class seats as C class would be the same.

I didn't get any news about the delay as well. As usual, pilots get the info last   

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:06 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 35):
Well, 2 744's have left the fleet already, #3 to follow within the next 3 weeks

Which bird is the next to leave?
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 36):
Which bird is the next to leave?

D-ABVA, D-ABVB are gone and D-ABTA is next.

And we are all looking forward to D-ABYA to finally arrive in FRA and start her duty...   

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:14 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 37):
D-ABTA is next.

She will be close to 23 years when leaving!

I guess that D-ABTB is next in line after -TA.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:57 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 38):
She will be close to 23 years when leaving!

As much as I admire everything about the 748i i'm just not sure of the wisdom in replacing a 744 with one.

Not for big legacy carriers anyway with the aircraft that are available today.

I think it is a case of either/or for the A380 and 748i.

Surely A380's for the 'big' routes complemented by 777's, 787's or the newer Airbus wide-body twins for the other routes.

Any route with the scope for LH to send a 748i they could just as profitably send an A380. No doubt more so.

748i's AND 380's.....I dunno...just doesn't sit right with me.
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 7:03 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 39):
Any route with the scope for LH to send a 748i they could just as profitably send an A380. No doubt more so.

Not so sure about that...looking at OEWs of ~220t v 277t? That's a lot of extra airplane to haul around if you don't have the people to fill it...and with oil prices only going one way, if you can 'right size' an aircraft to a route, then there may well be a market for that aircraft.

I think the 748i and A380 can co-exist in a fleet...what is more of a question is whether the 773ER and 748i can? I think they probably can, but the equation might become more difficult with the 779X...
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:19 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 23):
All public communication from LH management and PR has been that even overweight and with the non-PIP'd engines, the 747-8 meets all contractual guarantees and that they looked forward to delivery

   PR is taking delivery of a 748i??? I knew Boeing's executives were up to something when they visited SMC's headquarters.     
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting clickhappy (Thread starter):

"The delivery ceremony for Lufthansa 747-8i D-ABYA, scheduled for April 23, has been canceled until further notice. "

Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?
  
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 9:59 pm

Does any one have any solid info? Is the B-747-830 delivery officially cancelled, or not? It is beginning to sound more like a rumor than a confirmed story.
 
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Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:09 pm

Quoting kiffy (Reply 42):
Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?
  

It's sunny and 70˚ here right now... supposed to be partly cloudy and 75˚ tomorrow. So, no.
 
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Quoting SEA (Reply 44):
It's sunny and 70˚ here right now... supposed to be partly cloudy and 75˚ tomorrow.

No one would believe the press photos were taken in Seattle. They're obviously waiting for a typical Seattle day.     

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Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:57 pm

Quoting kiffy (Reply 42):

Do you guys just think this might just be due to weather?

For once, the weather's nice. For the first 747-8i delivery ceremony (not Cargolux) it was definitely anything but).

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
I don't have any information about postponed delivery. I only know that LH pilots are in Seattle right now and prepared the delivery. Maybe some issues on the last testflights. Maybe the trouble with the tail tank.

My manuals all get a serious update in the next couple of days because of the 748i.

Here's a question I have, and you may not know the answer but I couldn't think of anybody I could ask - LH used an A343 on 590/591 (FRA-SEA & return) both days this weekend, and I see that it is back to the usual A333 for tomorrow. I was lucky enough to photograph this sub today taking off (no guarantee it will get into the DB, but I'll certainly try).

Is this due to staff arriving for the delivery/launch here?
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:28 am

It's odd that both Boeing and Lufthansa never made any formal announcement about a delivery date. FlightGlobal were suggesting Monday or Tuesday might be the day, acknowledging it is a mystery. Matt Cawby responded on his site to someone who asked the obvious question by saying he did not know why but that Boeing techs were working on the aircraft on Saturday. The Boeing twitter feed is only focusing on the 787 BOS service inaugural.
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 46):
For the first 747-8i delivery ceremony (not Cargolux) it was definitely anything but.

Forgive me, I meant to say 748F ceremony above. The weather was definitely not cooperative that day.

[Edited 2012-04-22 20:19:05]
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:23 am

Quoting Cargolex (Reply 46):
Here's a question I have, and you may not know the answer but I couldn't think of anybody I could ask - LH used an A343 on 590/591 (FRA-SEA & return) both days this weekend, and I see that it is back to the usual A333 for tomorrow. I was lucky enough to photograph this sub today taking off (no guarantee it will get into the DB, but I'll certainly try).

Is this due to staff arriving for the delivery/launch here?

It is LH490/ 491   But the 340 is used every once in a while. The crew is in Seattle already a little longer, I think a total of almost 14 days to do all the acceptance flights and tests etc etc. So nothing to do with that. And the 340 has basically the same seats as the 330, so no difference at all.

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