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Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:01 pm

Does anyone know if MEA joining the alliance is still confirmed?
 
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Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:06 pm

Yes. Joining June this year
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:03 am

That's soon. Will the BEY-DTW nonstops operated by ME start in time for high season? Can't wait.   
 
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:18 am

If they were able to they would open Montreal & Newark- most probably with codeshare services to Detroit to tap into the Dearborn populations! Not sure they have enough A330s though at the moment but that could be remedied!
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:01 am

BEY-DTW nonstop by ME? Have I missed something, no more ban on direct commercial US-Lebanon flights in place?

I also doubt ME would start with DTW as their first entry point on US soil.
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:39 am

Quoting brightcedars (Reply 4):
I also doubt ME would start with DTW as their first entry point on US soil.

It would be definitely New York & then tapping into a Syteam member there for onward connections to the rest of the US.
The only other destination in North America they could serve directly would be Montreal but they will never be a TK or EK with flights throughout the US, unless they upped their connections available from BEY which is a long way off, plus Beirut still (unfortunately) has a bad reputation with most Americans and they would readily choose to transit in Beirut for Asia etc.

I thinkisdcaguy was being funny- there are loads of Lebanese in the Detroit/Dearborn area. It's nicknamed Little Lebanon!

And I don't think the travel restrictions have been lifted. So any transatlantic services between America and Beirut will be a long way off (especially with Hezbollah in control of the country)
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:40 am

Quoting raffik (Reply 3):

If they were able to they would open Montreal & Newark- most probably with codeshare services to Detroit to tap into the Dearborn populations! Not sure they have enough A330s though at the moment but that could be remedied!

Hei Raffik !
As member of Skyteam MEA should focus on the Middel East network.Beirut is very well connected with the world thru Skyteam partner Air France
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:52 am

Yes, they should focus on their Middle East network. They are missing a trick by not obtaining smaller aircraft to feed in traffic from destinations such as Alexandria, Luxor, Aswan, Damascus, Latakia, Aleppo, Pafos etc and funnelling them onto longer hauls to Europe and the Middle East. Beirut is perfectly situated as a gateway between Europe and the Middle East. They could provide connections to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and even between Europe and Africa.
Whilst their expansion has been very s-l-o-w, their neighbours around them (Gulf, Jordanian, Emirates, Qatar) have all cashed in on these very busy markets.

And whilst I agree that they should focus on being a valuable member to Skyteam, if they had services to North America, these would be very lucrative all year round and probably overbooked during the summers for MEA. Why should MEA lose out so it doesn't upset Air France? The membership should benefit all.
But as we agree, those transatlantic services won't happen for a loooong time, perhaps not in our life time.

They could up their Middle Eastern network, expand through Africa and add a few more European destinations (Amsterdam, Madrid, Bucharest) come to mind. Let's see what happens! They might surprise us and have some plans in place already
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 7):
They could provide connections to India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and even between Europe and Africa.

Now I totally agree.By the way Kenya Airways will strat flying to BEY three times a week

Quoting raffik (Reply 7):
Let's see what happens! They might surprise us and have some plans in place already

Surprise us ? I doubt ! not until the arabic spring is over
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:45 pm

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 8):
By the way Kenya Airways will strat flying to BEY three times a week

That's great news for Beirut.. do you know what equipment they will use?
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting raffik (Reply 9):
That's great news for Beirut.. do you know what equipment they will use?

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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Mon Apr 23, 2012 3:28 pm

It's a given that even should ME be allowed and restart flights to US, they would pick one strong destination that is both strong in O&D and a Skyteam gateway.

They have been funnelling traffic via CDG for years and they know where that point of entry is. Also, it will just allow them to offer the relieved seats to more connecting passengers heading to other points via CDG, there are just too many to make CDG and AF irrelevant to ME.

I do think that plugging into KL @ AMS should be a winner for ME. I have a lot of Dutch friends who drive down to BRU or take the train to catch the ME nonstop here. Other than that, BEY is still far from being a capable transit hub, except maybe as Raffik suggests, to regional destinations and using lighter jet equipment.

For now I wish they come to terms with their unclear policy of fare publication. Their price made me book with the competition this time around, only a while later they matched the average rate between BRU and BEY, pity! We had canceled our CY flights to jump on the ME introductory 2 years ago, but penalties are too heavy for us to do it this time around.
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RE: Any Update On MEA Joining SkyTeam?

Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting brightcedars (Reply 11):
It's a given that even should ME be allowed and restart flights to US, they would pick one strong destination that is both strong in O&D and a Skyteam gateway

A SkyTeam gateway? Did you know that DL is a part of SkyTeam? They happen to have hubs at ATL, CVG, SLC, DTW, MEM and MSP. They also claim to have hubs at JFK and LGA. Connections are often poor, hard to come by and unpleasant via JFK. There is a large Arab population around DTW. Which of these stations do think would be most suitable for ME to serve? My guess is that dual service to both JFK (for the O&D pax) and DTW would be most beneficial.

Meanwhile, you can't live in a vacuum anymore. The US will eventually have to get over itself and allow direct flights between BEY and the US and allow DL, eventually, to serve BEY nonstop from the US. If DL could fly to BEY, they would do it tomorrow and reap the benefit of a partner hub in the Middle East. ME could potentially see plenty of traffic flowing into its network from the US and see better profitability as a result. A definite win-win for both partners.

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