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Routes Supporting Specific Companies

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:07 pm

Was curious how many point to point routes are industry specific, linking two companies such as the new route mentioned below i.e.

The new route, which provides a much anticipated link for the Paris-based car manufacturer PSA Peugeot Citroën’s joint venture with Dongfeng Motor of Wuhan, will be operated three times weekly with 309-seat 777-200ER aircraft

Are there similar routes that are only flown to link commercial interests and one company to another?
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:09 pm

RDU-LGW or LHR ... for Glaxo
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:14 pm

CVG-CDG for Procter & Gamble ?
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:35 pm

SFO-ZRH for for Roche/Genentech, though with *A hubs on both sides.
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:59 pm

PBI-BDL for united technologies.  
Well, in old times. I'm not certain if that route is flown anymore.

Quoting heysfo (Thread starter):
Are there similar routes that are only flown to link commercial interests and one company to another?

Except the routes sell other tickets.

Your route, Wuhan, is a growing city in China for electronic and other components. I know an executive who would have loved the option to fly from Paris. Although I would be CVG-CDG would be cancelled without P&G. Often one company will negotiate a certain 'minimum billing' for a city pair to launch a direct flight. About half the time the route dies when the sponsoring company pulls sponsorship. About half the time the route has proven viable on its own. (It isn't the sponsoring company doesn't need the flights, its the cost/benefit of sponsoring the city pair.)

Wuhan is a fast growing city. Heck, I'm surprised I haven't seen it on the mid-east carrier route maps.

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Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:06 pm

What about the Emirates non stop from Houston to Dubai? I know this flight has to have many oil executives on board, but wouldn't have a clue as to what oil companies.

Also, KLM from IAH-AMS, supporting Shell oil, Akso chemical and a few other Dutch owned businesses in and around Houston.

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Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:31 pm

Houston - Luanda by SonAir must be a prime example. Does anyone know if it is possible to buy tickets for this flight?
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:47 pm

CLT-MUC for BMW by LH.
BMW's built in Spartanburg, SC.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:09 am

PBI to BDL is still operated (I'm flying on it Wednesday) via JetBlue. I don't think it's supported by any company anymore though.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:09 am

Back in the day Swissair ran a BSL-EWR on the A310 for all the pharma business.


Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):
Houston - Luanda by SonAir must be a prime example. Does anyone know if it is possible to buy tickets for this flight

Yes if you/your employer are a members of the USAEA association.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:21 am

At one time AC operated YOW-CLT with CRJ's for Nortel.
I had also heard that at one time there were no less than 12 flightd per day between LAX and YVR on AS, UA, AC, and CP ( in addition to lower frequency flights on Canada 3000) to support the film/TV production industries. One of the bgiggest beneffactors was Lionsgate Films with large operations in both cities.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:39 am

This was, of course, how Midwest Express got its start...as a wholly-owned shuttle operation for Kimberly-Clark employees.

TW flew briefly between ICT and SEA ferrying pax between Boeing plants.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 2):
CVG-CDG for Procter & Gamble ?

P&G has been at their wits end trying to keep international service to CVG. They lobbied so hard to keep the short-lived Japan flight as well as the flights to London and Germany, to obvious no avail. I think that P&G is shelling out a crapload of money just to keep this flight afloat.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:58 am

I doubt LH would be operating MUC-CLT it it wasn't for BMW, with their head office in MUC and their U.S. assembly plant about a 90 minute drive from CLT near Spartanburg, SC.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:00 am

Quoting CoachClass (Reply 7):
CLT-MUC for BMW by LH.

This is a good example of a route that benefits one high-profile company but does not exist solely for that country. There are gobs of business connections between the Carolinas and Germany (and especially Bavaria). ATL-STR (Mercedes-Benz in Vance, Alabama) is a similar example, and DTW-NGO might be too, though that's probably more heavily a single company than either CLT-MUC or ATL-STR.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:05 am

I think CO started EWR-BRU for J&J.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:10 am

Delta flew from Atlanta to Stuttgart before the Mercedes plant was built in Alabama.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting SuperCaravelle (Reply 6):
Houston - Luanda by SonAir must be a prime example. Does anyone know if it is possible to buy tickets for this flight?
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 9):
Yes if you/your employer are a members of the USAEA association.

You also get Mileage Plus miles for it.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:13 am

Quoting ATLgaUSA (Reply 16):
Delta flew from Atlanta to Stuttgart before the Mercedes plant was built in Alabama.

When did ATL-STR start?
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting CairnterriAIR (Reply 8):
PBI to BDL is still operated (I'm flying on it Wednesday) via JetBlue. I don't think it's supported by any company anymore though.

Thanks. At one time UTC flew from their own runway in Hartford to their own runway in Palm Beach!
Then they sponsored DL on the flight. Then they didn't.
I'm happy to see someone is still flying the route.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
DTW-NGO might be too

Does Toyota have major operations in Detroit? I know that their US HQ is in Torrence, CA, and most of their US factories are in the deep South. Do they have engineering facilities in Michigan, or what?

Speaking of DTW, I'm guessing DTW-MTY is there pretty much entirely for the auto industry. Not sure if it would be one company in particular, though.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:43 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 20):
Does Toyota have major operations in Detroit? I know that their US HQ is in Torrence, CA, and most of their US factories are in the deep South. Do they have engineering facilities in Michigan, or what?

Even if Toyota doesn't there is the not insignificant supplier base.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:09 am

Quoting FSDan (Reply 20):
Does Toyota have major operations in Detroit? I know that their US HQ is in Torrence, CA, and most of their US factories are in the deep South. Do they have engineering facilities in Michigan, or what?

I believe Toyota Technical Center is located in Ann Arbor
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:00 am

I'd think IAH-LHR serves many companies but BP would have to top the list.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:06 am

Aberdeen-Baku with Azerbaijan Airlines, operating for the Oil/Gas industry
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:53 am

During the tech boom times AC's services to SJC and AUS were principally to serve Nortel. High J class fraction to boot. Not much need for either now. SJC closed, I think AUS as well.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:08 am

LO has the KTW - TRN flight that supports the car industry in the Katowice region. Fiat has a large plant in Tychy, near Katowice. I believe the flight also supports Opel, as it has a large plant in Gliwice, also near Katowice, and some operations in or around Turin.

The KTW-TRN flight is the only flight to TRN from Poland.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:47 am

A bit of a twist on the topic, but UA at IAD if you consider the government. I suspect that UA has abandoned it, but the airline used to be beig on the "capital to capital" routes. If a carrier becomes the GSA preferred contract carrier between city pairs it's a guaranteed stady stream of government employees on the flight (although all in Y and at contract rates).

IAD-SMF would be a prime example. Does UA still fly this route? 5 or so years ago it was an 320 flight that must have been dominated by legislators and government employees.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 22):
I believe Toyota Technical Center is located in Ann Arbor

It is, and they have major technical operations in the Cincinnati area as well. And that flight is the only sensible way to go to NGO from anywhere besides the west coast (which includes all Toyota plants in the US and Canada).
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:43 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 2):
CVG-CDG for Procter & Gamble ?

ahh...the P&G Express. And before CVG-CDG it was Sabena's CVG-BRU.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 4):
Although I would be CVG-CDG would be cancelled without P&G. Often one company will negotiate a certain 'minimum billing' for a city pair to launch a direct flight. About half the time the route dies when the sponsoring company pulls sponsorship. About half the time the route has proven viable on its own. (It isn't the sponsoring company doesn't need the flights, its the cost/benefit of sponsoring the city pair.)

True, but in P&G's case there is no formal agreement between them and DL, P&G just sends a ton of people on that flight, the front cabin is consistently packed.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
Quoting Goldorak (Reply 2):
CVG-CDG for Procter & Gamble ?

P&G has been at their wits end trying to keep international service to CVG. They lobbied so hard to keep the short-lived Japan flight as well as the flights to London and Germany, to obvious no avail. I think that P&G is shelling out a crapload of money just to keep this flight afloat.

DL never had a Japan flight from CVG, but there was one-stop service to NRT through PDX for a short time when DL had their trans-pac hub there. DL did attempt to start non-stop CVG-PEK flights in the late 90's but didn't get the slots.

The issue with Cincinnati is that the corporate community has never been particularly united or organized like the Research Triangle in Raleigh. No doubt P&G wants more TATL flights and is probably willing to pay for it, but they don't want to be the only ones paying for it. This is starting to change though with the Northern Kentucky and Cincinnati chambers of commerce working with P&G, Kao, DunnhumbyUSA, Toyota, GE, Cintas, Convergys...etc to address air service issues, so we very well may start seeing targeted subsidies being offered for specific routes like RDU.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28):
Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 22):
I believe Toyota Technical Center is located in Ann Arbor

It is, and they have major technical operations in the Cincinnati area as well. And that flight is the only sensible way to go to NGO from anywhere besides the west coast (which includes all Toyota plants in the US and Canada).
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 29):
DL never had a Japan flight from CVG, but there was one-stop service to NRT through PDX for a short time when DL had their trans-pac hub there. DL did attempt to start non-stop CVG-PEK flights in the late 90's but didn't get the slots.

I saw a picture on the database here of an MD-11 landing sometime in the early 2000s and it was landing from Nagoya. There is still a huge push to get Japan service to CVG which, given CVG's status these days, will never happen.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:08 pm

DCA to any of VPS, OAJ, and FAY for the DOD.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:16 pm

LH's FRA-PNQ should be there as well as PNQ has large presence of German automobile giants such as VW and Merc. It probably is one of the reasons for starting this flight though nowadays large IT traffic also helps sustain it. It started as J only operation on PrivatAir's BBJ and then evolved into mix operation that it is now.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:28 pm

In the Caribbean American Eagle's POS - SJU route was heavily used by J&J to link their two major regional pharmaceutical operations and it was long felt that they were the main force behind the route. The route was closed in 2010.

Oil business drives the POS - IAH route by UA, formerly CO. Both routes have certainly been freely available to anyone wishing to travel.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:29 pm

Has anyone mentioned the SR (and now LX) "UN shuttle" from JFK to GVA? Although not strictly a company, the UN is a pretty large customer.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 22):
I believe Toyota Technical Center is located in Ann Arbor

It is now, but I think that's a fairly recent development.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 13):

I doubt LH would be operating MUC-CLT it it wasn't for BMW, with their head office in MUC and their U.S. assembly plant about a 90 minute drive from CLT near Spartanburg, SC.

ATL-MUC on DL as well. Greer is nicely centered 90 minutes between CLT and ATL.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:46 pm

ABZ-GRQ operated by BMI Regional.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:48 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
It is now, but I think that's a fairly recent development.

Not so much. It's been there since the early or mid 80s.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
I saw a picture on the database here of an MD-11 landing sometime in the early 2000s and it was landing from Nagoya

A mislabel most likely, it was probably a direct flight from NGO through PDX. I don't believe the MD11 even has the range for CVG-NGO non-stop.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:22 pm

CLT-MUC isn't just for BMW anymore. Daimler/Freightliner, Siemens, and Continental AG all use the flight as well. The route has a good amount of O/D traffic.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:37 pm

While I'm not sure about any particular company, YYC and YEG to YHZ are heavily used by oil and gas employees. AC also has a YYT to Fort McMurray same plane one stop via YYZ.

CP flew YYZ-RDU for Nortel.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:52 pm

Quoting BWI5OH (Reply 5):
Also, KLM from IAH-AMS, supporting Shell oil, Akso chemical and a few other Dutch owned businesses in and around Houston.

UA got this contract about 8 months ago....exit the KL BBJ from the IAH scene.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 39):
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 30):
I saw a picture on the database here of an MD-11 landing sometime in the early 2000s and it was landing from Nagoya

A mislabel most likely, it was probably a direct flight from NGO through PDX. I don't believe the MD11 even has the range for CVG-NGO non-stop.

Correct, it was via Portland. But an MD11 had the range to fly it non-stop and in February 2000, believe it or not, Delta applied to fly CVGPEK, 3x a week.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 1):
RDU-LGW or LHR ... for Glaxo

Add PHL-MAN to the pharma route as well
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 35):
It is now, but I think that's a fairly recent development.

The Ann Arbor Township campus of TTC has been around since the 1970's. You are probably thinking of the new York Township campus of TTC which opened in 2008. Toyota operates out of both campus' and their combined employment is currently 1100 employees. They recently announced plans to add another 150 employees this year to the Ann Arbor TTC sites.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:47 pm

I remember the regular KE 747 taking off in BSL, lumbering over the 2800 ft hills south of the airport. I once read that these flights were mainly for the chemical and pharmaceutical industry of Basel (Novartis, Ciba, Roche).
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:49 pm

Back when the CNBC special on American Airlines aired 4-5 years ago, they mentioned on the program that American Eagle had put in a route specifically for Walmart from LAX-XNA to bring suppliers from Asia. Looking at the wiki page, it doesn't look like the route is there. Not sure if Walmart gave money to the Route, but wouldn't be surprised.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 29):
ahh...the P&G Express. And before CVG-CDG it was Sabena's CVG-BRU.

Indeed, and before SN operated it (with A340's) they chartered a Ryan A320 for a few weekly flights. A shame I still haven't found a picture of that (all white) A320 in Brussels. I'm sure I shot it!

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