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Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:40 am

I had this thought while reading the "UA to order 200+ new 737s" topic.

For anyone here over the age 40, assuming another 30 to 40 years still to live, it seems like we're going to be flying on 737s for the rest of our lives.

It's a bit disappointing that the pace of innovation seems to have slowed to the point where we're only seeing "evolutionary" changes instead of "revolutionary" changes.
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:49 am

Depending on how your define "most of us". If you are just referring to the domestic US market, make it explicit, because "most of the others" can have a totally different flying experience from you.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:59 am

If not 737s, then regional jets for 3+ hours.

But I see what you mean- we have United's order, AA, Southwest, Alaska.......
That's why I want UA to keep A320s around for a while.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:00 am

I'm 20 and I do see this as a possibility. The 737 has proven over the years that it is the optimal aircraft. Plain and simple. Well done Boeing  
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:03 am

Really interesting concept - never thought of it that way, but probably true. There are a great many people alive today who were not alive when the first 737 took to the skies, and who, after living perfectly healthy and normal natural lives, will never live to see the day the last one is retired. That is pretty stunning to think about.

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
It's a bit disappointing that the pace of innovation seems to have slowed to the point where we're only seeing "evolutionary" changes instead of "revolutionary" changes.

Or, looking at this from another angle, it is rather impressive - downright remarkable, in fact - that human beings all the way back in the mid 1960s were able to create the basic design for a platform so robust, so flexible, so adaptable, and so efficient that it its successive derivatives and versions have managed to stay entirely relevant and "modern" nearly five decades later. How many other pieces of technology as complex as a modern airliner have proven as capable of being successively upgraded so as to still be so competitive multiple decades after their inception?

Talk about an engineering marvel.

[Edited 2012-04-23 20:06:39]
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:17 am

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 1):
Depending on how your define "most of us". If you are just referring to the domestic US market, make it explicit, because "most of the others" can have a totally different flying experience from you.

Since UA would more than likely only fly these 737's within the US (99%+), its already implied that he is referring to the US market...There should be no need to make it explicit, as you put it.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
It's a bit disappointing that the pace of innovation seems to have slowed to the point where we're only seeing "evolutionary" changes instead of "revolutionary" changes.

Depends on your perspective. I'm 31 and would give up valuable body parts to be able to see the skies in the days when the 707 was the mainstay of aviation. I suppose the evolutions we're seeing these days are a net positive, but at the same time, at least to these old-fashioned eyes, things are getting more bland. At least there's a visual difference between the 737 and the A320...I'm guessing that whatever new design that'll replace the Guppy will end up looking yet even more generic. At least the Guppy has some 707/727 DNA left in her fuselage...

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:31 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
Or, looking at this from another angle, it is rather impressive - downright remarkable, in fact - that human beings all the way back in the mid 1960s were able to create the basic design for a platform so robust, so flexible, so adaptable, and so efficient that it its successive derivatives and versions have managed to stay entirely relevant and "modern" nearly five decades later.

True. The 707 didn't make it, the 727 didn't make it, the 747 isn't exactly flying off the shelf anymore, the 757 didn't make it, the 767 didn't make it, the 777 has yet to have enough time to run its course by what would be considered "conventional" program standards, and the 787 is still new. Nor does anything of Boeing's past domestic competitors remain relevant, even with hundreds of DC-9 derivatives still treading the skies, but not ever to be replaced by new aircraft of the same platform. (Unless, of course, the Comac ARJ really takes off.   )

The 747 may be the Queen of the Skies, but the 737 is certainly the King.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:48 am

Kind of a sad thought. I was hoping, really hoping, that they could stick a 787-ish nose on the MAX, just as they're modifying the tail. The "face" of the 737 looks really dated. At least there's now the Sky interior to change it on the inside.


Funny thing is that I don't mind at all the thought of another 3 decades of 747s
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
There are a great many people alive today who were not alive when the first 737 took to the skies, and who, after living perfectly healthy and normal natural lives, will never live to see the day the last one is retired.

Not if they have a really good health insurance plan. With the progress that is being made in gene therapy, etc, peoples lives will be extended significantly.

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
Or, looking at this from another angle, it is rather impressive - downright remarkable, in fact - that human beings all the way back in the mid 1960s were able to create the basic design for a platform so robust, so flexible, so adaptable, and so efficient that it its successive derivatives and versions have managed to stay entirely relevant and "modern" nearly five decades later.

The physics of flight were very well known in the mid-'60s. It isn't the aircraft but the engines that define the advancement. You just have to look at the 'latest & greatest' all new NB and it is perhaps only 10-15% better than the MAX or NEO.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:51 am

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
It's a bit disappointing that the pace of innovation seems to have slowed to the point where we're only seeing "evolutionary" changes instead of "revolutionary" changes.

Having just endured a six-hour transcon in the back of a UA 738, disappointing doesn't begin to describe it.

At this point I hope that the next innovation in air travel is general-anesthesia-on-demand, something like in the movies 2010: A Space Odyssey and Aliens, where the crew is put under and awakened when it arrives at the destination.

[Edited 2012-04-23 20:52:58]
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:58 am

Quoting dfambro (Reply 8):
I was hoping, really hoping, that they could stick a 787-ish nose on the MAX, just as they're modifying the tail. The "face" of the 737 looks really dated.

Dated...something designed in the 1960's, dated?!?!?   

On track, Boeing did it with the 767-400 (777), what would it take to cut and paste the 787 FWD section on the 737, and make all of the flight decks standardized? I would only hope the 797 follows in that path of standardization as well.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting B595 (Reply 10):

Having just endured a six-hour transcon in the back of a UA 738, disappointing doesn't begin to describe it.

At this point I hope that the next innovation in air travel is general-anesthesia-on-demand,

I've had my share of those flights as well - what an interesting innovation you propose!
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:58 am

Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
It's a bit disappointing that the pace of innovation seems to have slowed to the point where we're only seeing "evolutionary" changes instead of "revolutionary" changes.

The evolution masks a revolution. Compare the 737-200 with the 737-8 MAX and that becomes clear.

The 737-200 fits a mission profile closer to that of an ERJ190 than the MAX.

The MAX, eventually (with a MTOW and fuel capacity increase), is likely to fly routes over three times as long as those flown by the 737-200, while carrying over half again as many people.

The MAX will have engine technology four generations ahead of that on the 737-200, along with wing technology three generations ahead. It will burn under half as much fuel per passenger on a comparable short mission.

The MAX will have a cutting-edge glass cockpit (albeit one that masks some conventional flight controls).

The MAX can easily attain FL410 with a full payload if light on fuel, while the 737-200 struggled to its ceiling of FL350.

If Boeing had implemented all the changes at once, and added a new section 41, you would not be complaining.

[Edited 2012-04-23 21:58:36]
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 12):
've had my share of those flights as well - what an interesting innovation you propose!

He's got a good point. I often figure out a way to get my hands on an Ambien before a long flight.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:02 am

It is an incredibly boring prospect.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:08 am

What is the point of this thread and why is it in the wrong forum? I hate 737s and request my companies travel to route me around flying these stupid frames.   
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:12 am

Didn't AA order a bulk load of A320 NEOs at the show last year?
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:25 am

Well, I guess this will be a way to balance things out for me. I really have nothing against either the A320 or the 737, but I've flown on 42 A320 family members thus far to just 11 737s.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
What is the point of this thread and why is it in the wrong forum?

How is it in the wrong forum? Seems like a discussion of civil aviation to me...
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:29 am

Next decade we'll see all-new narrowbody replacements (RJs and mainline) and it is too soon to say that they will have the same configuration as today's tube and wing design.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 13):
The MAX will have a cutting-edge glass cockpit (albeit one that masks some conventional flight controls).

Some Interesting comments by Bill Voss, CEO of Flight Safety Foundation, at the Flight Safety Foundation Corporate Aviation Safety Seminar...

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:37 am

I like the 739ER, and will probably really appreciate the 739MAX. I know that airlines never purchase a plane on asthestics...but man, wouldn't it be nice if we could just update the windscreen on the 737.... Wish there was something that could be done to the existing Section41 of the plane to make the windscreen interface nicer.... But it will never happen becuase there is no way you could justify the costs... But if wishes were fishes.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:48 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 16):
I hate 737s and request my companies travel to route me around flying these stupid frames.

I wouldn't go that far.  

I do try to avoid them - mostly because they are so ubiquitous. I prefer a little variety and I know that I'll still get my annual dose of 737s even without trying.

But, coincidentally, I just booked HIJ-HND-HIJ this morning for dates in May. The ANA 787 flights (two a day) weren't at good times at all and I have squillions of JAL miles to use up so I'm going up on a 737 and coming back on an MD-90. Curiously, I found myself not feeling unhappy at the thought of 737 flight No.124. Apart from anything, the brand new JAL 737-800s are excellent inside.
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:06 am

Hate to put the dampner on things here.

A lot of you will also be flying on A320's.

How about a bit of balance.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:14 am

I'm lucky to be born and live in Thailand.
Here in Asia, as long as your don't fly LCCs, chances are, you will like end up on a widebody aircraft.

Love the fact that I can fly domestic on 777s, 747s, 330s or even 340s and short haul intra Asia even with 380 SIN-HKG.

Life is good, you produce super expensive widebody airplanes, we use them to fly somewhere near  
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:18 am

The 737 will be the most succesful passenger aircraft ever, being in production for at least another 20 years. I believe there will never be anything like this, again, no car, no airplane nothing will ever be in production that long as the 737.....
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:22 am

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 13):
The 737-200 fits a mission profile closer to that of an ERJ190 than the MAX.

Easter 1980: at the tender age of six I fly Norwegian carrier Braathens SAFE's B737-200Adv non-stop Oslo - Lanzarote, six hours(!) with a full load (package holiday flights are always 100% full). So already back then, the B737-200Adv offered what the B737-800 does today.

The B737-200 was a great plane, flew it many times on those long Norway - Canary Islands flights, always with Braathens SAFE, they were my favourite carrier.

Since three years ago, the B737 is my office. I'm an FA on the Classic as well as the NG, and they are fantastic machines, very durable and reliable. I like the nostalgic feel, as they look much the same as those B732s that sparked my interest in aviation. I get a bit bored with them at times, but then I just fly with someone else that has more variety or plane-spot when having turnarounds at big airports.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:23 am

How much difference is there between the B737-100 and the B737MAX?.

My understanding is that the difference is pretty substantial.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 12:02 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Hate to put the dampner on things here.

A lot of you will also be flying on A320's.

How about a bit of balance.

I dont think the original poster meant to imply we would ONLY be flying 737s... only that we would CONTINUE to fly 737s...
I suspect that everyone here recognizes the A320 Family is AS GOOD AS or BETTER THAN the 737 Family, and therefore will remain in service for AS LONG AS or LONGER THAN the 737 Family.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 28):
I suspect that everyone here recognizes the A320 Family is AS GOOD AS or BETTER THAN the 737 Family, and therefore will remain in service for AS LONG AS or LONGER THAN the 737 Family.

I like the 320 family plenty, but the 737 has a 20 year jump on them, and I don't see them sticking around 20 years longer than the 737. Again, no criticism of the 320 - it just got a later start.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 1:54 pm

Hmm...although I prefer the aesthetics of the 737 over the 320, I think the 320 is going to be in the skies for a very, very long time, maybe even longer than the 737!

Just like Boeing with the 737, Airbus hit it out of the park with the 320, and with airlines moving to smaller aircraft for longer flights, the 320 is a very strong competitor.

Having both the 737 and 320 in the skies means Airbus and Boeing will continue to evolve and develop even more improvements and innovations...the latest are the 737MAX and 320NEO!

With the longetivity of the 737 and 320 that I hope to see, for some 21st century folks, they may be their only connections to 20th century aviation! While the 737 isn't my favorite aircraft on which to fly, I know that whenever I step on one, I am experiencing an aircraft that traces its ancestry to when my parents were children...a great piece of living American aviation history, and I firmly believe the 320 will be the same for European aviation history for quite a few generations to come.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 28):
Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Hate to put the dampner on things here.

A lot of you will also be flying on A320's.

How about a bit of balance.
Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 28):
I dont think the original poster meant to imply we would ONLY be flying 737s... only that we would CONTINUE to fly 737s...



I agree, the OP did not imply that we will be flying exclusively on 737s, just that we will STILL be flying on 737s for decades to come.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:16 pm

This is an interesting concept. We'll certainly see 737s for another 30 years in Western markets. It is a surreal thought that the 737 will most likely serve the Western fleet for over 70 years...


Quoting N62NA (Thread starter):
For anyone here over the age 40, assuming another 30 to 40 years still to live, it seems like we're going to be flying on 737s for the rest of our lives.

   Very interesting observation. As already noted, a remarkable fact.

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Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:46 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 27):
How much difference is there between the B737-100 and the B737MAX?.

My understanding is that the difference is pretty substantial.

Very true.

But the basic platform from the start was so good that all it took was a few tweaks here and there to get it where it is today, not such that they ever needed to start over with a new platform when its course ran out...because it never did. That is its testament.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:28 pm

To tell you the truth, I can't see much difference between flying on a 737 and an A319,A320. It seems the Airbuses are a little quieter. But for an aviation enthusiast, I can see how boring they are. No rocket like takeoffs, etc.

Quoting B595 (Reply 10):
At this point I hope that the next innovation in air travel is general-anesthesia-on-demand,

I like that idea, but would it be due to the boring aircraft or the abyssal service we have these days??
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting B2468 (Reply 32):
Hmm...although I prefer the aesthetics of the 737 over the 320, I think the 320 is going to be in the skies for a very, very long time, maybe even longer than the 737!

I'd imagine the ones that will be around the longest are the government VIP frames. They get very little use and are very well maintained, and governments tend to hang on to them for very long periods of time, and if they sell them, they tend to sell them to friendly governments. Second will be any military variants, such as the Navy P-8 that is based on the 737, for similar reasons.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:56 pm

I just don't understand why Boeing and Airbus put all the research and technology into the widebodies that are not selling as well as the narrowbodies.

How come the 737 and A320 only get updated instead of designing a brand new aircraft?

Quoting type-rated (Reply 37):

To tell you the truth, I can't see much difference between flying on a 737 and an A319,A320. It seems the Airbuses are a little quieter. But for an aviation enthusiast, I can see how boring they are. No rocket like takeoffs, etc.

What do you base this on? The A319 and A320 are just as capable as the 737s. The reason why you don't experience 'rocket like takeoffs' is because most if not all operators use flex takeoff thrust, because full thrust is rarely needed.

[Edited 2012-04-24 09:02:24]
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:01 pm

I agree, born into the age of Concorde and brought up watching BAC111s, Tridents, DC9s compete with newer 146s and noisy Tu134s. The B737 was old before I was born and yet it'll be with me 'til I die. The B747 is similar but the sheer monotony of B737s and A320 series is a step up.

All very lovely commercially but innovation is missing. Even the B787 *looks* very much like an advanced B767.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:09 pm

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Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Interesting thread.

I am not sure how many a-netters we have from Himalaja but surely they would answer "most of us will be flying DHC 6 and Do 228 for the rest of our lives" due to the fact that production of these planes started again.

Definitely a compliment for these planes.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:17 pm

Glad to see we made it to Reply 28 before this turned into a 737 vs. 320 borefest. Back to the point... After years of flying -300s, -400s and -500s I finally flew an ANZ -200 from Christchurch to Auckland in 1998. Not for nothing but I was supposed to fly an Air Florida -200 years before and my father recalls attempting to fly a People Express -100 (I'm not 100% sure about that one) as well. Both flights cancelled due to weather ...or bad management. It's a good plane and I will be happy to fly on (or operate) the 737 for a long time. Oh, and yes, the 320 is a fine aircraft, as well.
 
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting Fuzzman777 (Reply 2):

The Airbus A319/320'/321's might be with us in Abundance quite a while Espeially if the GTF is a Hit. And Boeing refuses to offer a choice. What we hope is that Pratt puts an option for the PW 4000 to Airbus for the A350. with GTF technology.
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Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:38 pm

Quoting B2468,reply=33,posted Tue Apr 24 2012 22:38:39 your local time (1 hour 57 minutes 45 secs ago):
Hmm...although I prefer the aesthetics of the 737 over the 320, I think the 320 is going to be in the skies for a very, very long time, maybe even longer than the 737!

Just like Boeing with the 737, Airbus hit it out of the park with the 320, and with airlines moving to smaller aircraft for longer flights, the 320 is a very strong competitor.

Having both the 737 and 320 in the skies means Airbus and Boeing will continue to evolve and develop even more improvements and innovations...the latest are the 737MAX and 320NEO!

With the longetivity of the 737 and 320 that I hope to see, for some 21st century folks, they may be their only connections to 20th century aviation! While the 737 isn't my favorite aircraft on which to fly, I know that whenever I step on one, I am experiencing an aircraft that traces its ancestry to when my parents were children...a great piece of living American aviation history, and I firmly believe the 320 will be the same for European aviation history for quite a few generations to come.

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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:39 pm

Quoting huaiwei (Reply 1):
Depending on how your define "most of us". If you are just referring to the domestic US market, make it explicit, because "most of the others" can have a totally different flying experience from you.

Hm. Plenty of 737s flying all over the world these days, and just yesterday on the flight line at BFI one could see 737s for airlines from Asia, the Middle East, Oceania, the United States, and South America. Just the last two weeks of deliveries included... Southwest, Lion, Thomson, Copa, Dalian Airlines, SAS, JAL Express, American, Transavia (I saw that delivery in person), Garuda, Hainan, TUIfly, TUI Nordic, Ryanair, United, Xiamen, Spicejet, and Ethiopian.

I'm pretty sure Spicejet, Dalian Airlines, Ethiopian, and Garuda don't fly to St. Louis.

Quoting nethkt (Reply 24):
Here in Asia, as long as your don't fly LCCs, chances are, you will like end up on a widebody aircraft.

And some of us really envy that!

I fly mainly on 737s as most of my flying is US domestic and the carrier I like most has an all 737 fleet (Alaska). I do also fairly regularly end up on an A32x or an E190, but it's rare to fly wide-body on domestic, extremely rare these days. It wasn't always that way though, and I remember 767 and DC10 domestic service. Unfortunately the United States is too vast and has too many small markets for an operation like what happens at SIN. It isn't any coincidence, I think, that China and Russia also have large numbers of narrow bodies for domestic operations. The difference with Asia is that the cities are larger and denser and there's lots of water and mountains, meaning more need for capacity even with a higher frequency model.

Truth to tell, how the plane feels - 737 vs. A320 - is mainly a matter of how the operator specs the interior. There's a big difference even between the same type depending on the interior. Try an AirTran 73G tracon and then fly back on an Alaska 737 or a UA 737. You'll know immediately which one you prefer (sorry, AirTran, I like you, but those are 3-hour seats, not 6-hour seats).

I greatly miss the 727, but I'm happy the 737 is still with us.
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:12 pm

One of the most boring aircraft ever invented to fly on......
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:26 pm

not sure why people would fret about this. we may also be driving porche 911s for the rest of our lives. but to say that the first is anything like the latest would be a joke. the same can basically be said about the 737, only since it's a passneger aircraft, its evolution is in efficiency, safety, and longevity rather than in performance, horsepower, and handling.

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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
Really interesting concept - never thought of it that way, but probably true. There are a great many people alive today who were not alive when the first 737 took to the skies, and who, after living perfectly healthy and normal natural lives, will never live to see the day the last one is retired. That is pretty stunning to think about.

It is pretty fascinating, yes, but is the B737 produced in 2020 anything like the B737 produced in 1967? The answer is no, of course, sort of like how today's Chevrolet Malibu is nothing like the car of the same name produced in the early 1980s. OK, maybe that's a bad analogy because the Malibu has been through several complete redesigns from the ground up, but the baby Boeing is quite different too. New engines, wings, cockpit, fuselage, tail, - ummmm, besides the basic diameter and a few other dimensions, what's left that is the same?

Still, the Boeing 737 was designed as a stop-gap model. Some gap that turned out to be!
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm

I'm just thankful that I was born into a wealthy country that gives me the financial opportunity to fly, at all. Most people on the planet will never have the chance.
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting tockeyhockey (Reply 45):
not sure why people would fret about this. we may also be driving porche 911s for the rest of our lives.

I'm tired of the way that looks, too! But at least the 911 has had some face lifts along the way.

But point well taken that they are highly evolved machines compared to the originals
 
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:47 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 37):
I just don't understand why Boeing and Airbus put all the research and technology into the widebodies that are not selling as well as the narrowbodies.


You can't compare sales numbers of narrowbodies to widebodies. That's like saying sales of a bus aren't successful because they don't sell as many as Toyota does Corollas. Narrowbodies and widebodies serve two separate functions.

Just like a car manufacturer, the aircraft manufacturers make more money on their premium products, which in this case is the widebodies. The profit potential from selling 1,000 widebodies I'm guessing is more than selling probably even 2,000 narrowbodies. If A or B thought they were only going to sell only 1,000 A320/737 size of a frame, given their lower margins it might not be worth the investment, but if they thought they could sell 1,000+ widebodies, that's a pretty good success with their higher margins, especially when you consider only four families of widebodies (747, 767, 777, A330) have sold more than 1,000 frames.
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RE: Most Of Us Will Be Flying 737s Rest Of Our Lives

Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:53 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 23):
Hate to put the dampner on things here.

A lot of you will also be flying on A320's.

How about a bit of balance.

You are correct.

Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 28):
I dont think the original poster meant to imply we would ONLY be flying 737s... only that we would CONTINUE to fly 737s...

You are also correct.



Just to take this "evolution" vs "revolution" thing a bit further.... For the next 30 or 40 years, since we'll still be flying in 737s (and A320s) that means we'll still be flying at Mach 0.80 or so on many trips of 1500 to 3000 miles.

To the traveling public, that represents no improvement whatsoever in the "act" of flying.