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DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Tue Apr 24, 2012 4:14 pm

I found the flights before any announcement was made some years ago by NW. They were discontinued sometime after that, and it appears they're back at it with a once daily CR9, as far as I can see. Starts 9/4.

DL3409 SYR0655 - 0825MSP CR9
DL3410 MSP1915 - 2235SYR CR9
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:45 pm

odd start date, I would have guessed summer seasonal first...
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:48 pm

Is there really enough demand to justify that route instead of just connecting those passengers through DTW?
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:57 pm

I wonder if this will be in exchange for their CVG flight....
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:59 am

A MSP flight for SYR like down here at PVD offers one stop connections to quite a few cities in the West that would have taken two plane changes to get to otherwise. We lose ours for a couple months each Winter, but it is an important flight and I suspect, not filled with $119. Ticket holders. Fill her up!
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:42 am

from syracuse.com
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...delta_to_offer_direct_flights.html
This going to be interesting as Dl will be overnighting 4 planes in SYR
CRJ to DTW, CR9 to MSP, ERJ to LGA, and MD88 to ATL
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:14 am

NW & DL have been had several of these on-again, off-again routes out of MSP that overfly DTW into some of the mid-size cities in the northeast and mid-Atlantic.

Cities like SYR, ROC, ALB, MDT, RIC all have had service to MSP at various times. Sometimes only seasonal, these cities usually only see 1 flight a day, typically a RON. The overflying of DTW offers better connections to the Pacific NW, Northern Plains, Upper Midwest, and Canada. That being said, these overflights are over the 750 miles, where DL will only fly them with a 2-class aircraft. Good to see SYR come back.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:24 am

Nice to see a return of service to MSP. And post-summer too. MSP offers considerably more than DTW (and sometimes ATL) to areas west of the Mississippi River, so this is great for connectivity. Hopefully it sticks.

[Edited 2012-04-29 17:12:10 by srbmod]
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:28 am

Personally, I like flying on RJs, but that's just because I don't fly on them that often, and I like that they sometimes board from airstairs, and that there is more of a chance of getting a seat near the front. There's also the advantage of not having the chaos of people trying to shove huge bags into voerhead bins, because most of that stuff is gatechecked, at least on the smaller CRJs.

[Edited 2012-04-29 17:12:21 by srbmod]
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:09 pm

I hate it when they say it's a "direct" flight when it is really "non-stop". The media should learn the difference.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:53 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Expect? No, though up until fairly recently NW would fly DC9-50s into SYR.

Where did NWA fly DC-9-50's from? DTW? I doubt it was from MSP.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):

Nothing against regional airlines - as regional airlines. But when a mainline "pretends" that a regional is all part of the same mainline company, I do object to that.

How is Delta pretending when it is called Delta Connection and your boarding pass says "Operated by XYZ Airlines"? This has been going since 1967 when Allegheny Airlines started Allegheny Commuter which was flown by Henson Airlines.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:23 am

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 13):

Do you really expect to see DL flying mainline aircraft SYR-MSP? Regionals are a necessary part of aviation in this country. I don't understand what you people have against regional airlines. Would you rather have less air service to your small town? Regionals are here to stay, get over it.

When the plane that is flying the route replaced mainline jets close in size.....yep.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:42 am

cool. I hope they can make it stick. MSP has such good connection options i really think they should be able to make it work
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 17):

Where did NWA fly DC-9-50's from? DTW? I doubt it was from MSP.

NW started flying MSP-SYR about 7-8 years ago with a CRJ. As long as NW operated this route, which was sometimes seasonal, it was always a CRJ.

Only now under DL with the self-imposed rule requiring 2-class aircraft on routes greater than 750 miles, have they flown anything larger. At 860 miles, they now put a CR9 on the route.

NW used to have some rather long CRJ flights, particularly from MSP. Routes like MSP-MDT, RIC, SYR, ALB, and even stuff like SLC, GEG, IDA, COS used to get CRJ-200's.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting type-rated (Reply 16):
I hate it when they say it's a "direct" flight when it is really "non-stop". The media should learn the difference.

Good luck with that. The general public is the same way on the terminology. I've given up expecting otherwise.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:52 pm

Here at SYR we'll take anything we can get. JetBlue has helped, but NWA and now Continentail is gone. It just raises the prices for the smaller cities.


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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:44 am

Interesting that SYR is just now getting a flight to MSP. ALB has had the route year round since around 2003 now, and IIRC started out as 2x CRJ. After the merger, DL flew ALB-MSP with a DC9 then swapped it with a E175 or a CR9.

When did SYR lose the MSP flight?
E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/CR9/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/739/752/753/762/772/77W/319/320/321/333/343
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:20 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 20):


NW used to have some rather long CRJ flights, particularly from MSP. Routes like MSP-MDT, RIC, SYR, ALB, and even stuff like SLC, GEG, IDA, COS used to get CRJ-200's.

they had MSP-PNS one time too, I flew it...that was a loooooooooooong flight to be stuck in a CRJ on!
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 17):
How is Delta pretending when it is called Delta Connection and your boarding pass says "Operated by XYZ Airlines"?

Delta has made a point of making sure that it's regional carriers do nothing to identify themselves as anything other than Delta Connection. You'll never hear the crew announce what airline they actually work for, you'll never see a regional carrier's inflight magazine in the seatback pocket, etc.

This is not the case with United, and I believe it's not the case at US either.

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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:55 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
Fact is, DL is simply selling the tickets, not doing the flying.

And in many cases, DL is working the gates and the ramp.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Nothing against regional airlines - as regional airlines. But when a mainline "pretends" that a regional is all part of the same mainline company, I do object to that.

Who's pretending? On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight. If the pax haven't figured out who it is by then, then they can stare at the F/A's uniform or the flight crew and figure it out.

Don't know about you, but I've never seen or heard DL "pretend" that the regionals were part of the mainline company, with TWO exceptions.......EV & OH.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 15):
Expect? No, though up until fairly recently NW would fly DC9-50s into SYR.

The D95 is not capable of operating SYR-MSP reliably year-round.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:09 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):
The D95 is not capable of operating SYR-MSP reliably year-round.

I don't believe that to be the case - TW used to fly DC9-50s EWR-STL all the time.

Quoting mayor (Reply 26):
And in many cases, DL is working the gates and the ramp.

At SYR? Those are DL employees???? (I honestly don't know.)

Quoting mayor (Reply 26):
Who's pretending? On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight. If the pax haven't figured out who it is by then, then they can stare at the F/A's uniform or the flight crew and figure it out.

I have my point of view on this matter, you have yours.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 26):
On the boarding pass, ticket, airline booking site and even the side of the plane, it says who is actually operating the flight.

The side of the plane? Really?


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That's about as clear as the warning to keep clear of the AOA vane. Even the ship number is about ten times larger and more readable. If you didn't know what you were looking for, you'd miss it (and you'd probably miss it anyway since CRJs are boarded mostly from jetways these days).

What is it about saying "welcome aboard this Delta Connection [insert name of airline here] flight" that is so anathema?

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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:19 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
What is it about saying "welcome aboard this Delta Connection [insert name of airline here] flight" that is so anathema?

The low quality of some regionals - carriers like OO and RP always announce who they are.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 28):
I don't believe that to be the case

You need only have spent some time in places like BNA or CLT when NW flew -9s to MSP out of there. The -30 was always OK. The -40 was generally OK (though there weren't many of those). The -50 could take massive weight restrictions. BNA-MSP is quite a bit shorter than SYR-MSP.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 13):
Do you really expect to see DL flying mainline aircraft SYR-MSP? Regionals are a necessary part of aviation in this country. I don't understand what you people have against regional airlines. Would you rather have less air service to your small town? Regionals are here to stay, get over it.

If DL decides to buy the E90 and fly it mainline, then perhaps a route like this will go mainline, however until this happens, be lucky DL is willing to re-start with a nicer CR9 versus a CRJ (if you want to call a CRJ nice in any event?).
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 28):

At SYR? Those are DL employees???? (I honestly don't know.)

I didn't say SYR.....I said "in many cases" in response to the poster's allegation that all DL did was "sell the tickets".

Quoting Mir (Reply 29):
The side of the plane? Really?

But it IS there. Short of using neon, I'm not sure what else an airline could do.

Quoting Mir (Reply 25):

Delta has made a point of making sure that it's regional carriers do nothing to identify themselves as anything other than Delta Connection. You'll never hear the crew announce what airline they actually work for, you'll never see a regional carrier's inflight magazine in the seatback pocket, etc.

This is not the case with United, and I believe it's not the case at US either.

I've never flown a UA or US regional carrier, but to the best of my recollection, the ones at DL announce who it is operated by. My daughter is a F/A for Skywest and I know she announces who is operating the flight, whether it's DL or UA.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 32):
I've never flown a UA or US regional carrier, but to the best of my recollection, the ones at DL announce who it is operated by.

OO and the Republic Group carriers do so. 9E and EV don't announce so much.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 32):

But it IS there. Short of using neon, I'm not sure what else an airline could do.

I have a boatload of additional comments I could make, but there is a particular aversion by some on here to discussing the whole "regional / mainline" issue here for some reason, so anyone truly interested should do some searching through the old topics here - I've stated my arguments there.

Quoting mayor (Reply 32):
I didn't say SYR.....I said "in many cases" in response to the poster's allegation that all DL did was "sell the tickets".

Well, the topic is about SYR....
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:59 pm

Yeah, OO has their magazine in the seatback, too, even for Delta. I think the one time I flew them was SLC-SAN after we had an MD-90 pull at 180 and return with some sort of elevator abnormality. My wife saw the firetrucks and decided she'd prefer a different plane. So we switched to the wonderful comfort of an OO CR2 on a later flight.  

Also, FWIW, I once flew BTV-DTW-MSP-RNO... can be nice to skip DTW!
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 34):
Well, the topic is about SYR....

But it wasn't me that went "off" topic.......I just commented on the fact that, in many cases, DL IS NOT just selling tickets.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:54 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
The low quality of some regionals - carriers like OO and RP always announce who they are.

Don't know about RP, but OO did not announce anything as to who they actually were (I was listening for it on both of my flights) when I flew them under the DL banner in March.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 35):
Yeah, OO has their magazine in the seatback, too, even for Delta.

Not when I flew them in March.

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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 37):

Don't know about RP, but OO did not announce anything as to who they actually were (I was listening for it on both of my flights) when I flew them under the DL banner in March.
Quoting Mir (Reply 37):
Not when I flew them in March.

These two instances don't mean that they don't.....just they didn't on these occasions.  




When my daughter first started flying for OO, she kept forgetting which airline each particular flight was being operated, for.....DL or UA. I told her to just stick her head outside the door before she made the announcement to see what the livery was.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:14 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 35):
Yeah, OO has their magazine in the seatback, too, even for Delta

That must have been an error on OO's part. The magazine is only boarded on United flights, Delta doesn't want any other branding besides their own. When they did the flying to FL out of MKE they also had their magazine onboard. I'm not sure if they do for Alaska.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:17 am

My memory is likely faulty. Thanks for the correction... mea culpa.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:32 am

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 40):
My memory is likely faulty. Thanks for the correction... mea culpa.

Actually it happens once in awhile were branding issues like the SkyWest magazines or United napkins end up on a DL flight, so you might be right. It's just not something that is supposed to happen lol
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 38):
When my daughter first started flying for OO, she kept forgetting which airline each particular flight was being operated, for.....DL or UA.

Thanks for admitting that DL doesn't operate the flight.
 
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
There's also the advantage of not having the chaos of people trying to shove huge bags into voerhead bins

Oh, that does indeed happen. It's quite entertaining. Many times people don't understand that RJ planeside valet luggage service is not checking a bag, they confuse the two.

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
I like flying on RJs, but that's just because I don't fly on them that often,

Go on them more, you'll see it!
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:23 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 42):
Thanks for admitting that DL doesn't operate the flight.

Who disputed that? Certainly not me.
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RE: DL To Start SYR-MSP (Again)

Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:14 am

Since some of the participants in this discussion would rather discuss the entire mainline v. regional argument instead of the topic, this thread is now locked.