DTWPurserBoy
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Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:52 pm

Does anyone know the current status of LOT Boeing 767-300 SP-LPC that made the wheels up landing in WAW on November 1, 2011? Was it repaired and returned to service or was it declared a write-off and scrapped? Or is it just sitting in a hangar somewhere at WAW?

Thanks in advance for the info. That crew did a fabulous job.
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RE: Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:21 pm

Im sure i read on here that it will not fly again. try a search and it should bring you to it.
 
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RE: Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Thread starter):
Thanks in advance for the info. That crew did a fabulous job.

I don't agree. The alternate gear extension didn't work cos the circuit breaker on the system had popped, maybe days or weeks earlier, and no-one thought to check it. It's true that powering a circuit that has popped a CB carries some some danger but less than a belly landing in a widebody, especially if it's done on long finals to a runway.

When the aircraft was up on jacks in the hangar, the CB was reset, the alternate gear extension button pressed and the landing gear obediently dropped down and locked. Very damning for the flight crew and whoever they spoke to on the radio for tech support. A 767 written off and lives endangered cos no-one thought to check the CBs. Shameful performance.
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RE: Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:32 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
When the aircraft was up on jacks in the hangar, the CB was reset, the alternate gear extension button pressed and the landing gear obediently dropped down and locked.

It was actually carried out whilst the aircraft was still on the runway. Per the initial report:

Quote:
After lifting the aircraft from the runway, in agreement with this operation manager, a
test of the landing gear extension with the alternate landing gear extension system was carried
out. After connecting the ground power unit, setting C829 (A1) BAT BUS DISTR circuit
breaker in the position „On” and activation of the alternate landing gear extension system, the
landing gear was extended. The aircraft was towed to the operator's technical base.
http://www.transport.gov.pl/files/0/30680/20111400RWenglish.pdf

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RE: Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:41 pm

The plane is sitting outside of LOT's hangars at WAW, without engines, with a fence around it. Saw it there last week when my flight from WAW taxied right past it.
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RE: Current Status Of LOT 767-300 SP-LPC?

Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:31 pm

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):

I don't agree.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
It's true that powering a circuit that has popped a CB carries some some danger but less than a belly landing in a widebody, especially if it's done on long finals to a runway.
Quoting cedarjet (Reply 2):
When the aircraft was up on jacks in the hangar, the CB was reset, the alternate gear extension button pressed and the landing gear obediently dropped down and locked. Very damning for the flight crew and whoever they spoke to on the radio for tech support. A 767 written off and lives endangered cos no-one thought to check the CBs. Shameful performance.

No disrespect intended, but do you have professional qualifications to pass judgment on this? It would have been nice for a maintenance coordinator to ask about circuit breakers, but where that CB is located is not conspicuous, and it was in no procedures for the crew to examine or reset that CB. Many CB's are not located where crew can access them (e.g. E&E compartment, etc.) inflight, and there was no guidance suggesting there was even a CB available to them. That this is dubious design feature from Boeing is a very legitimate point (Occam's Razor would seem to suggest free fall with no electricity requirements like Douglas and Airbus and some other Boeings use,) and that procedures should be revised to include checking this CB in the future are good points. Pilots are openly discouraged (and in some places prohibited) from resetting CB's without maintenance authorization; that the LOT MX rep said nothing about this clearly made the crew believe there was no further action they could take.

Were mistakes made? Yes. Is the design flawed? Possibly. Was it a shameful performance from the flight crew? Hardly.

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