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Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:48 pm

In German we have a saying: "Mühsam ernährt sich das Eichhörnchen". Little by little, the bird builts his nest.


In German it's a squirrel, which has a troublesome way to subsist in English it's a bird, which builts a nest and this year, Airbus, little by little gain some orders. Big grinhttp://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...signs-for-three-more-a330s-371092/

[Edited 2012-04-25 06:53:22]
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AustrianZRH
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:53 pm

Let's hope there is an Afriqiyah to take these birds when they are ready for delivery... For now, I'd list them together with IT's A380s.
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting AustrianZRH (Reply 1):
Let's hope there is an Afriqiyah to take these birds when they are ready for delivery

What is the main concern with Afriqiyah? Is it structural or just related to the political instability in Libya? Honest question.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:51 pm

why not A332? as it has the longer flying range which will come in handy...as it is there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 pm

That's awesome news.

Does anyone have any info on whether or not they will be recommencing their services to Nigeria, South Africa etc at some stage in the near future, or have they dropped those routes indefinitely?
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:45 pm

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Afriqiyah%20Airways.htm

In the last couple of years, they have lost 1 A300, (burnt out) and 1A330, (crashed). They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

Even if they can get the parked aircraft flying again, they could still do with a couple of planes to make up for losses.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:57 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

The Colonel's 340 isn't going anywhere, as far as I'm concerned. Either it will be gutted out and turned into a pax transport or sent back to the Arabian peninsula, or scrapped on site.
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:02 pm

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 2):
What is the main concern with Afriqiyah? Is it structural or just related to the political instability in Libya? Honest question.

It is probably too volatile for a resurgence just yet. Perhaps by the time this order is delivered (hopefully) the rebuilding of Libya will be well started

Quoting ETinCaribe (Reply 2):
why not A332? as it has the longer flying range which will come in handy...as it is there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Agreed. The smaller capacity & longer range would serve their needs better
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:37 pm

Given that the A340 is an A340-200, I doubt that it will fly passengers again.

This is based on the limitations of the type, it's age, (15 years) and that it is a singleton.

I suppose that it could be used as a VVIP jet. IMO, it is more likely to be parted out.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Thu Apr 26, 2012 12:19 pm

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Nowadays the opposite is mostly true. Why fly an A332 when you can puit more seats in an A333?
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Thu Apr 26, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 9):

Quoting behramjee (Reply 3):
there is not a single route that warrants an A333 being used that an A332 cannot adequately cater towards!

Nowadays the opposite is mostly true. Why fly an A332 when you can puit more seats in an A333?

I don't necessarily think more = better. Equipment should be chosen depending on the airline & route dynamics. Given the demand on any route being equal it may be advantageous to have lower capacity depending on competition. If we are talking about an established carrier on a highly competitive route, sure more capacity works. I think for Afriqiyah the A332 would serve their needs better as they unfortunately need to start again from square one after the revolution like the rest of Libya. As demand grows they can upguage.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Quoting bennett123 (Reply 5):
They also have 2 A330 and 1 A340 parked.

The Colonel's 340 isn't going anywhere, as far as I'm concerned. Either it will be gutted out and turned into a pax transport or sent back to the Arabian peninsula, or scrapped on site.

I believe the 2 A332s were fairly recently ferried to Airbus in TLS for repairs of the damage they suffered during the hostilities.
 
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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:30 am

Good to see things are improving for Afriqiyah. Not entirely sure if we will see these A333's fly for them because I was under the impression that the airline was in a right old state financially. I believe that the A332 would be much better suited to the airline as I don't think they'll have bigger enough loads to justify the extra seats, plus they'll miss some range but I can't wait to see the -300 in Afriqiyah colours.

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RE: Afriqiyah Order 3 A330-300

Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:04 am

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 7):
Agreed. The smaller capacity & longer range would serve their needs better



If Afriqiyah has any future other than pure Libya OD, then it is the low price connection between Europe and the southern half of Africa. All this is within A333 range from Libya. Operation costs of A332 and A333 are practically the same, so having 40 more seats for free helps on the competitiveness.

I really hope Libya gets the peace it deserves after this terrible civil war - if it finds inner peace all the rest to florish is available.

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