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Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:14 pm

British Airways joins the gang of airlines interested in the 777X. So far, EK, Eva, and Cathay are also interested. All wanting the plane before 2020 to replace/refresh the 777 fleet. Boeing has been talking with all the 777 airlines in addressing a new 777 with launch in Q4 2012/Q1 2013. Emirates and British Airways are among the two largest 777 operators.

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Boeing will brief its board by year-end or early 2013 on potential plans to offer an upgrade to the current version, the company’s commercial airplanes chief, Jim Albaugh, said last month. He said the Chicago-based planemaker expected the new plane to be in service “towards the end of the decade.”
Emirates, the largest customer for the 777, and British Airways, the fifth-biggest, are pushing for a follow-on model to the 777-300 by decade’s end so they can move quickly to replace some of their older planes. Airbus SAS (EAD) is promoting the roomiest version of its A350 as a challenger to the twin-engine 777.
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British Airways, a unit of International Consolidated Airlines Group SA, intends to replace 52 Boeing 747 jumbo jets. It is currently evaluating the purchase of a 777 successor, the 787-10 Dreamliner, or possibly A350-1000s, the biggest variant of the Airbus plane.

This will probably end the "Will BA buy 747-8i's/777W's to replace the 747-400's?" question.

Very interesting article.

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Sweet!

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
This will probably end the "Will BA buy 747-8i's/777W's to replace the 747-400's?" question.

And start the "Most Of Us Will Be Flying 777s For The Rest Of Our Lives" thread! 

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Yes, a very interesting development, though not a surprise, because it's long been known that BA was interested in an aircraft around this size class; up to now, I would have put the A350 as a near "dead cert" for BA, but if Boeing does launch a 777X (and I think it's likely it will), then Airbus will have its work cut out; certainly, the A350-1000 will be hit hard.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
Yes, a very interesting development, though not a surprise, because it's long been known that BA was interested in an aircraft around this size class; up to now,

If I remember correctly, the 777-8X is designed as a 777-200 replacement? This would be a good 772ER replacement for BA, as some of the 777's are racking up the years. Where does time go? But who knows, maybe they'll keep the 772's around for as long as the 744's have been.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 2):
I would have put the A350 as a near "dead cert" for BA, but if Boeing does launch a 777X (and I think it's likely it will), then Airbus will have its work cut out; certainly, the A350-1000 will be hit hard.

It has to be given that they'll launch it. If a couple more airlines join the gang, say SQ, AA, and UA joined, that would be given for Boeing to launch the program. If I recall, wouldn't they be developing a composite, thinner, longer wing on the 777X?
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):

"While some of the four-engine 747s can still operate until as late as 2018 or 2019, rising fuel prices heighten the need for a more fuel-efficient replacement, said Walsh"

Wow, BA will have no 4 holers by 2019.  
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:48 pm

The article says:

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“We want it done now so they have the plane in 2019,” Emirates President Tim Clark said in an interview at an industry conference in Barcelona. British Airways Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh gave the same timeline yesterday as well.

...

“I think 2019 at the latest would be my view,” Walsh said in an interview in Barcelona.

Should be quite the challenge for both Boeing and GE, given that both are committed to the 737 MAX EIS in 2017.

I wonder if PW or RR can take advantage of GE's focus on the LEAP?

Albaugh says they will present to the board end of this year or early next year.

Of course he said a similar thing about the 737 NSA, so take that with a grain of salt.

In http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...costs-to-drop-50-by-summer-371139/ his boss McNerney says:

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From a development perspective, McNerney says the company's focus is on the 787-9, the re-engined 737 Max and the KC-46A tanker, based on the 767.

So the progression looks to be 787-9, KC-46A, 737-MAX, 787-10, 777X?

And perhaps as my linked article says, some attempt to address the 757 replacement market too?

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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 4):
Wow, BA will have no 4 holers by 2019.

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Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 4):
Wow, BA will have no 4 holers by 2019.

They will be getting a few A380s, no?
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 5):
And perhaps as my linked article says, some attempt to address the 757 replacement market too?

Yep, confirmed by Boeing's CEO: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...haul-757-replacement-study-371163/
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Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 3):
If I remember correctly, the 777-8X is designed as a 777-200 replacement?

It's a bit bigger. More like a 777-"250"ER replacement.
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Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
This will probably end the "Will BA buy 747-8i's/777W's to replace the 747-400's?" question.

   That was my first thought.

BA may need the extra capacity due to restrictions at LHR. They, like Emirates, should be interested in packing in more seats per flight so I don't think it's a huge surprise that they like the 777X. That said, I still think that the number of airlines that will be interested in the 777X versus the A350 will be relatively small.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:10 pm

BA is said to like their 777-300ERs (and they appear to like their 777-200ERs) so a mix of 777-9s, 787-10s, 787-9s and 787-8s would give BA significant flexibility and capability in the middle of the fleet, with the A380 anchoring the high-end and the A320 family covering the narrowbody side.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:26 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 3):
If I remember correctly, the 777-8X is designed as a 777-200 replacement?

It's a bit bigger. More like a 777-"250"ER replacement.

  . For the sake of specificity, the 778X has been predicted as being 19 feet longer than the 772 and 14 feet shorter than the 773. The 779X comes in @ 8.5 feet longer than the 773.
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:00 pm

Naturally, BA/IAG would like a cutthroat competition between the 777X and A350, with prices slashed to the bone etc

2019 is a tight deadline, for the LAST of their 747s to be retired, seeing that so far they've only ordered a few A380s. Even if they they top this up a bit (another 10?) then replacing all their remaining 744s, and then their 772s will be a major order, worth fighting for.
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 7):

Of course, having a Saga moment.  
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Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 3):
as some of the 777's are racking up the years.

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Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 3):

From what I understand Boeing is looking at buying out hangar space that is being leased by a company called ATS or something like that. If it goes through they plan on building the composite wings there on campus instead of shipping them and having to deal with trucking ect.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):

Sounds like a good mix. I think they will pull the trigger on ordering no more than 15 frames for each model minus the 787-8. I just hope the 787-9 and 787-10 dont get lost in the 737 MAX and 777x scrum.   
 
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Well, so much for BA's experience with the first batch of 777s scaring them off ordering more future models. This shoots that laughable theory out the window. (I'm referring to a statement a member of these forums made)
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Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
British Airways are among the two largest 777 operators.

Is not CX a larger operator?

CX - has (67) total orders for the 777 model.

Orders for January 1995 through March 2012
Customer Name Country Region Model Engine Order Date Total
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-200 RR 31-May-2000 1
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300 RR 01-Nov-1995 7
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300 RR 31-May-2002 3
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300 RR 29-Mar-2004 2
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 14-Dec-2005 12
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 01-Jun-2006 2
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 07-Aug-2007 5
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 08-Nov-2007 7
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 21-Sep-2010 6
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 09-Mar-2011 10
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777-300ER GE 10-Aug-2011 4
Cathay Pacific Airways CHINA East Asia 777F GE 10-Aug-2011 8
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From looking at their order history I would say they are far more into and a cheerleader of the 777 series than BA.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 18):
Is not CX a larger operator?

I was referring to right now, yes CX has many 777's on order

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 16):
From what I understand Boeing is looking at buying out hangar space that is being leased by a company called ATS or something like that. If it goes through they plan on building the composite wings there on campus instead of shipping them and having to deal with trucking ect.

Tim Clark did say, from an interview, that Boeing is good at making wings. So this will be very interesting to follow up on.

Quoting garpd (Reply 17):
Well, so much for BA's experience with the first batch of 777s scaring them off ordering more future models. This shoots that laughable theory out the window.

Yeah, they have to replace 747-400's first, then replace the older 777's.
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I'm just curious to see how much larger they're gonna make this 77X. Would it have increased seat capacity or increased range (longer than 77L) or both?
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Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
This will probably end the "Will BA buy 747-8i's/777W's to replace the 747-400's?" question.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
And start the "Most Of Us Will Be Flying 777s For The Rest Of Our Lives" thread!

Also will be fodder for the "Flying Classic Airliners in 2062" thread, doesn't change the need for "Who Misses the Concorde", and most sadly, won't make the "A vs B" threads go away.

Happy to see the 777 keep going...amoung other things, I like seeing the 3 axle bogies!
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All this article says is that they want Boeing to finalise the specifications and announce an estimated EIS so they can CONSIDER it. Which of course they will, they would be insane not to do so.

I just don’t see BA ordering it, as it isn’t going to be as efficient as the A35J for them, and before someone chimes in saying how many extra seats it will have, remember BA has a 9-abreast economy section on their 77Ws. So essentially when they compare the models, they will almost identical seat counts, almost identical engines, same generation wings… but the 777 will be heavier….
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting davs5032 (Reply 12):
The 779X comes in @ 8.5 feet longer than the 773.

Goodness gracious, the 773 already looks like a tail strike ready to happen. Will the design address this with longer gear?
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What can we expect the SPECS on the Next Gen 777's to look like? Fuselage size -200/-300? Range? Is there a chance it may be made out of CFRP?

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Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting B777LRforeveR (Reply 24):
What can we expect the SPECS on the Next Gen 777's to look like? Fuselage size -200/-300? Range? Is there a chance it may be made out of CFRP?

From This flightglobal article, it says:

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The conceptual two-member family is seen as a 14,800km (8,000nm) 407-seat 777-9X and 353-seat 777-8X and potentially even a third model in an ultra long-range 777-8LX. The baseline -9X and -8X each grow the lengths of the existing 777-300ER and -200ER fuselages and add a 787-style composite wing, say those familiar with Boeing's studies.

The launch of the new 777 family would likely be done in conjunction with a 323-seat 787-10X, a stretch of the 787-9 due for service in 2014, and would more evenly spread Boeing's widebody product line from the 242-seat 787-8 to the 467-seat 747-8.

But it's still quite early, and the studies aren't official.

FlightGlobal: Boeing Targets Year End 777X Launch (by LAXDESI Mar 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)
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Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 22):

I just don’t see BA ordering it, as it isn’t going to be as efficient as the A35J for them, and before someone chimes in saying how many extra seats it will have, remember BA has a 9-abreast economy section on their 77Ws. So essentially when they compare the models, they will almost identical seat counts,

According to FlightGlobal, the 777X is supposed to be 4 inches wider in cabin space, so in my opinion the assumption that airlines will stay with 9 abreast is not valid. 4 inches is not the width of a seat, but may be enough for them to consider 10 abreast.

"In the cabin, Boeing looks to remove 4in from the 777X by carving the sidewall and frame shape, accommodating a more comfortable 10-abreast economy arrangement and nine-abreast premium economy offering. "

http://www.flightglobal.com/Features/Boeing-777-special/777X/

Quoting flylku (Reply 23):

Goodness gracious, the 773 already looks like a tail strike ready to happen. Will the design address this with longer gear?

The 777-300ER already has a semi-levered gear unlike the 777-300, so that adds rotation angle since the airplane does not pivot about the main axel, but it pivots about the rear axle which allows 1-2 degrees of additional rotation. There are tricks that can be done with landing gear.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting garpd (Reply 17):
Well, so much for BA's experience with the first batch of 777s scaring them off ordering more future models. This shoots that laughable theory out the window. (I'm referring to a statement a member of these forums made)

It wasn't me who made that comment, but I will step in here and say there wasn't any need for that cheap shot. Totally unnecessary.

As far as the topic goes....

I am glad to see BA taking an active interest in this aircraft. The T7 has served them well over the years, and it is only natural that they would seek to continue that.
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I would think Qantas will buy this one....
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Why not call it the 777-400? I don't like or understand this business of jumping to -800 for the first version of a plane. Both Airbus and Boeing have done it with recent new aircraft and I think its odd.
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Quoting odwyerpw (Reply 28):
I would think Qantas will buy this one...

DO NOT GO THERE!      

Way, way too early to even speculate, lets at least wait until the specs are announced, please.

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Quoting flylku (Reply 23):
Quoting davs5032 (Reply 12):
The 779X comes in @ 8.5 feet longer than the 773.

Goodness gracious, the 773 already looks like a tail strike ready to happen. Will the design address this with longer gear?

That takes it out to 76.5 m! By far the longest airliner in the sky. Will we be having threads on how few airports are B777X ready?

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Quoting gdg9 (Reply 29):
Why not call it the 777-400? I don't like or understand this business of jumping to -800 for the first version of a plane. Both Airbus and Boeing have done it with recent new aircraft and I think its odd.

Basically, the number "8" means good luck in Asia cultures. Just a broad overview of that.

But, Boeing/Airbus think that putting 100-600 as the model type is considered "outdated." Think about it, what sounds more advanced? 777-400, or 777-8. In my opinion, 777-8 sounds much nicer, though I do see your point your making.
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 1):
And start the "Most Of Us Will Be Flying 777s For The Rest Of Our Lives" thread!

As the author of said thread, I agree with your observation!  

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 29):
Why not call it the 777-400? I don't like or understand this business of jumping to -800 for the first version of a plane.

I agree. I think this whole "8" thing was originally started as a gesture to the Chinese (?) (i.e. 8 is a lucky number over there - at least that's my recollection).
 
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Quoting gemuser (Reply 30):
DO NOT GO THERE!

Way, way too early to even speculate, lets at least wait until the specs are announced, please.

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Quoting blackwidow (Reply 15):
G-ZZZA (l/n 6) delivered 20/05/1996.... (was this a development a/c? Took a longtime to deliver!)

'ZA was the first 772 powered by the GE90 engine which was then an entirely new engine (as opposed to a development of an existing engine). It was the sixth 772 built. The five earlier production aircraft were for UA and were powered by P&W engines derived from a pre-existing engine. Boeing used 'ZA (while it was registered N77779) as a test and development aircraft and for certification purposes. As such it first visited LHR on 20 and 21 April 1995, exactly 13 months before BA took delivery of it.

'ZB, the tenth 772, remained with Boeing even longer. There were 25 months between its first flight and delivery. It was also used in the Boeing flight testing programme and additionally for ETOPS certification and as a test bed for the uprated GE90-92B engine. It too visited LHR 11 months before delivery and in full British Airways Landor livery while registered N77771.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 18):
Is not CX a larger operator?

According to the link provided by the TO BA is Boeing's fifth largest 777 customer. It says:

"Emirates, the largest customer for the 777, and British Airways, the fifth-biggest, are pushing for a follow-on model to the 777-300"
 
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Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 22):

Can you explain why you don't think that BA will in fact order the 777X if it were available before or at 2019?? I want to understand your logic behind your statement.

The article says that 1) Emirates is joining British Airways suggesting they have been sharing opinions on the design for a some time. 2) "British Airways, a unit of International Consolidated Airlines Group SA, intends to replace 52 Boeing 747 jumbo jets. It is currently evaluating the purchase of a 777 successor, the 787-10 Dreamliner, or possibly A350-1000s, the biggest variant of the Airbus plane." Purchase suggests buying or the intent of buying.

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Quoting rotating14 (Reply 36):
Can you explain why you don't think that BA will in fact order the 777X if it were available before or at 2019?? I want to understand your logic behind your statement.

It's pretty clear to me that his argument is "it isn’t going to be as efficient as the A35J for them".

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 36):
Purchase suggests buying or the intent of buying.

And "evaluating" doesn't necessarily suggest buying or the intent of buying, it just means evaluating.
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 37):
Quoting rotating14 (Reply 36):
Can you explain why you don't think that BA will in fact order the 777X if it were available before or at 2019?? I want to understand your logic behind your statement.

It's pretty clear to me that his argument is "it isn’t going to be as efficient as the A35J for them".

There is that. BA may purchase the B777X, but they may not. Another factor is that really haven't jumped into the B77W with their customary enthusiasm. My understanding is that it was purchased because of delays in both the A380 and B787 and it could be delivered in an acceptable time frame. Also it was somehow tied up with the compensation from Boeing, for the B787 delays.
Given that I don't think BA is in any way certain for the B777X as some people in this thread seem to think. Yes they are evaluating, they'd be stupid not to, even QF will evaluate it, doesn't mean they will buy it, especially now before the specification are firmed!

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Quoting gemuser (Reply 38):

There is that. BA may purchase the B777X, but they may not. Another factor is that really haven't jumped into the B77W with their customary enthusiasm.

BA doesn't seem to have much enthusiasm for anything right now. They don't have any narrowbodies on order and have comparatively small orders for the 787 and A380.

I'm really curious to see what happens because apart from having a 767 replacement on order, they don't seem to have any replacement aircraft on order for their 737s or 747s. The 12 A380s would be needed for growth and to cover even a minimal amount of 747 routes.

I expect big orders from BA if their finances are in order.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 29):
Why not call it the 777-400? I don't like or understand this business of jumping to -800 for the first version of a plane. Both Airbus and Boeing have done it with recent new aircraft and I think its odd.

Boeing hasn't produced a "-800" since 1994 (the 737-800).

Tom.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:45 am

So what does Boeing need to approach the board for launch? Why wait until the end of the year? Why couldn't they ask the board to launch sometime by the end of the month!
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:50 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 41):
So what does Boeing need to approach the board for launch?

A few score orders.  
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 41):
So what does Boeing need to approach the board for launch? Why wait until the end of the year? Why couldn't they ask the board to launch sometime by the end of the month!

Launch is actually about 1/3rd of the way through the development of a program. By the time of launch, the basic design configuration and trade studies are complete. The basic configuration of the airplane is already complete and they have determined all the developmental costs and have estimates of the production costs. This all feeds into being able to formally sell the airplane.

The 737 MAX being offered for sale before launch was a bit unusual, but it was a relatively small change airplane. The 777X is being proposed to be a much more extensive change based on what I have seen on Flightglobal.

Designing an airplane is a complex process, so formal approval from the board of directors requires quite a significant amount of design work to be done.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:45 am

Quoting redrooster3 (Thread starter):
British Airways joins the gang of airlines interested in the 777X.

Great stuff!

Now go buy the 748i already, BA I know you want to!!!

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:19 am

Quoting windshear (Reply 44):
Now go buy the 748i already, BA I know you want to!!!

I totally agree with you, I think BA should buy the 748i. However, I think I'm just dreaming and BA won't look at the new jumbo until RR's are slapped under the wings 

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:25 am

That does not look good for the A350 generally or specific the -1000. If a lot of airliens prefer the warmed over 777 it will be difficult for Airbus to justify this version.

IMO Airbus should have made the fuselage as wide as the 777.

The A350 was meant also as replacement for the 777.

Quoting windshear (Reply 44):
Now go buy the 748i already

Makes no sense, whith the A380 they have the much more efficient, modern and capable plane for not much more money.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:35 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 13):
Naturally, BA/IAG would like a cutthroat competition between the 777X and A350, with prices slashed to the bone etc

2019 is a tight deadline, for the LAST of their 747s to be retired, seeing that so far they've only ordered a few A380s. Even if they they top this up a bit (another 10?) then replacing all their remaining 744s, and then their 772s will be a major order, worth fighting for.

I'd agree, and I know it's only an article in a paper, but something doesn't add up - if they're really going to retire all 52 744s by 2019 and the 777X isn't going to be delivered until 2018/19 are they going to get the first 40 off the line to go with thier 12 A380s - Imagine the steam coming out of Clark's ears if that was the case!

I leaning towards them getting maybe another 12 - 15 A380s and some 777 classics before they get A35J or 777Xs

Just as an aside, if they order he A35J will this be the first time BA has operated a non-Boeing wide-bodied twin?
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:26 am

Quoting Daysleeper (Reply 22):
I just don’t see BA ordering it, as it isn’t going to be as efficient as the A35J for them, and before someone chimes in saying how many extra seats it will have, remember BA has a 9-abreast economy section on their 77Ws. So essentially when they compare the models, they will almost identical seat counts, almost identical engines, same generation wings… but the 777 will be heavier….

First of all, even IF your prediction of BA going 9-abreast in Y comes true, the seat counts will still NOT be identical. Isn't the A35J as designed about equal to the 77W in length? But isn't the 77W expected to be *stretched* to make it longer than the A35J? You can continue to compare the A35J to the 77W w/ regards seating configurations b/c it suits your argument, but that doesn't make your comparisons, or your claims, accurate. A 779X with the widely-reported stretch could fit 3 additional Y rows...not such "identical" seat counts after all, it would seem.

Second, I know you're not going to back down from your "9-abreast in Y" stand, but once again you're using the 77W as the basis for this, which is inaccurate. Assuming that 4" can be added to the width of the cabin, I don't see any way BA would not go 10X...unless they're not interested in increasing their profit margin. If you allocate 4" saved across 10 economy seats, that turns 17" seat widths into 17.4"....sure that's not a huge difference, but it you'd better believe if BA can get seats that wide on a 777 (which FYI would be the near equivalent of what's on their 747's), they'll do it in a heartbeat.

I know it makes you uncomfortable to think about, but the 77X will have a economically-significant higher seat count than the A35J...this won't make the 779X better than, or even equal to the A35J economically, but it does give the 77X a fighting chance, which you're unwilling to acknowledge.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 26):
According to FlightGlobal, the 777X is supposed to be 4 inches wider in cabin space, so in my opinion the assumption that airlines will stay with 9 abreast is not valid. 4 inches is not the width of a seat, but may be enough for them to consider 10 abreast.

Exactly my point.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:33 am

Of course in terms of 'ordering' there is no such thing as BA, any purchase will be made with the whole corporation in mind. .And of course it will therefore have the potental to be a very large order(s) indeed. In fact so big that it could easily include 2 purchases using both manufacturers.

The 748i is never going to happen - that much is clear from all that has been said.But a 10 abreast (economy) 777-'400' would be (I believe) be the ideal 744 replacement and would interline beautifully with the 388 capacity.(50 aircraft order?)
But looking at the corporation as a whole and the replacement timings.I would be surprised if we did not see an order for the 359 (50 aircraft?).

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