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Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:11 pm

Although the title of the article is about the potential rebound with Bombardier DASH 8-Q400 sales, but I thought the most interesting piece was around the "major European airline" that is looking at the CRJ1000.

Link: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_04_18_2012_p0-448980.xml

The only major European airline that I could think would order the aircraft at this stage is SAS. They already operate 12 x CRJ900's and I believe they held options for an additional 17 x CRJ900/1000's. But have those options lapsed?

Any other European airlines that could be negotiating for the CRJ1000's?

The article also indicates that a number of American carriers are looking at the CRJ. Skywest and American Eagle (maybe after restructuring) would be the ones that come to mind. Also, a senior executive at Bombardier (Chet Fuller) had a You Tube video posted last year where he was speaking to a reporter of Flight International and he stated that by April he expected an American carrier to place a 30-strong order for the CRJ's. Anyone hear anything recently about that potential order?
 
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:22 pm

BBD is really going to have to get into the price war/creative financing game. If EMB can get E-175 trip costs close to Q400 levels, for Flybe, based on financing, they'll have an easier time working against the CRJ's.
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:50 pm

Quoting CRJ900X (Thread starter):
Any other European airlines that could be negotiating for the CRJ1000's?

Hmm, perhaps Austrian Airlines to replace F70/F100 fleet? Or Brussels Airlines to replace Avro RJ fleet? Or SWISS to replace Avro RJ fleet?
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
SWISS to replace Avro RJ fleet?

Arent they getting the C-Series to replace the RJ fleet?

What about one of Lufthansas regional subsidaries? IE; Eurofly?
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:44 pm

Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 3):
What about one of Lufthansas regional subsidaries?

I highly doubt LH will be ordering any aircraft anytime soon, I believe a CEO or someone high in the ladder said they aren't going to be taking delivery of any new planes until 2014 or till the time is right. But if the regional airline is contracted and not owned by LH, then possibly.
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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 4):
I highly doubt LH will be ordering any aircraft anytime soon, I believe a CEO or someone high in the ladder said they aren't going to be taking delivery of any new planes until 2014 or till the time is right. But if the regional airline is contracted and not owned by LH, then possibly

ah yes I forgot about that...well in that case I want to change my vote to SAS.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting CRJ900X (Thread starter):
The only major European airline that I could think would order the aircraft at this stage is SAS

I would not put my money on SAS here. AFAIK, even though their happy with their 12 CRJ-900, their not in the market for expanding their regional fleet
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 1):
BBD is really going to have to get into the price war/creative financing game. If EMB can get E-175 trip costs close to Q400 levels, for Flybe, based on financing, they'll have an easier time working against the CRJ's.

The Crj100 must have very low seat costs. It's lighter and burns less fuel than the E190. I flew on one recently and it's a very nice comfortable aircraft.
The only disadvantages i saw were the very long cabin and only a single boarding door, overhead bins were also small.
I hope the aircraft gets more sales.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:08 am

I've never flown in a CRJ but have on an ATR and it was pretty claustrophobic and an experience I will not repeat.

I can't even imagine what it would feel like being in the last row on a CRJ-1000.

What does it compare to in terms of other narrow bodies?
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:50 am

Brit Air (AF Group)?
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:33 am

Quoting btblue (Reply 8):
I can't even imagine what it would feel like being in the last row on a CRJ-1000.

I've flown in the second to last row of a CRJ900, and it was a pretty cramped experience- they have made some improvements vs. the CRJ100/200 in terms better window placement and stand-up headroom, but compared to a E-190 or Boeing/ Airbus product, it was nowhere nearly as comfortable.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:59 am

Wonder could it be EI? They are known to be looking at aircraft smaller than their current A320s. The couple of A319s they recently got are only a stopgap and apparently they want more smaller aircraft to increase frequencies on thinner European routes
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:23 am

Am I completely off by throwing in KL here?
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:27 am

IB through Air Nostrum already operates the CRJ1000. We might see BA throwing itself in...
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:43 am

Quoting CRJ900X (Thread starter):
Any other European airlines that could be negotiating for the CRJ1000's?

The two main criteria IMO to make a good CRK candidate: already a CRJ operator and not bound by scope clauses. Now who meets those criteria in Europe...?   

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
Hmm, perhaps Austrian Airlines to replace F70/F100 fleet? Or Brussels Airlines to replace Avro RJ fleet?

Could be... particularly OS, which has operated CRJ's before through Tyrolean

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 4):

I highly doubt LH will be ordering any aircraft anytime soon, I believe a CEO or someone high in the ladder said they aren't going to be taking delivery of any new planes until 2014 or till the time is right.

I believe the exact words were no fleet growth until 2014, which still means they can take new frames to retire old ones. But it was poorly worded in various media. To me LH would be an obvious candidate if they hadn't already gone for the E19x (and somehow circumvented the 90-seat scope clause?).

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 9):
Brit Air (AF Group)?

I interpret this news to be about an all-new CRK operator, not a follow-on order.

Quoting CRJ900X (Thread starter):
expected an American carrier to place a 30-strong order for the CRJ's. Anyone hear anything recently about that potential order?

Scope clauses are the major blocking point that keeps the CRK out of the US market. If AA can loosen its scope coming out of bankruptcy, they're a candidate.
 
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:27 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 13):
We might see BA throwing itself in

I would think they would stay with the E-Jets as they just got brand new ones.

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 12):
Am I completely off by throwing in KL here?

Dont they operate the Ejets?

I know its possible, but it doesnt make sense for these airlines to order CRJ when they operate new EJets...

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
Brussels Airlines to replace Avro RJ fleet

that would be nice, as their fleet desperatly needs an over haul...
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 15):
Dont they operate the Ejets?

I know its possible, but it doesnt make sense for these airlines to order CRJ when they operate new EJets...

Yes, KL operates both Embraer and Fokker jets, but the latter is to be phased out I've heard.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:38 pm

I think one other we may have to consider is:

AB - Q400 replacement? Not one of the first that comes to mind but I think the time has come to consider them "Major"


My other guess would actually be LH. They have a fairly significant fleet of Q400s, Avros, ATR's, and already operate and especially if they're trying to cut costs this quickly, dumping some those in favor of the CRJ-1000 would be practical. They already operate the -7 and -9.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:25 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 8):
I can't even imagine what it would feel like being in the last row on a CRJ-1000.
Quoting CV990A (Reply 10):
I've flown in the second to last row of a CRJ900, and it was a pretty cramped experience

I've done one "better" by flying MUC-BCN on the very last row of a LH Cityline CRJ-900. Pretty bad: no recline, no window, engine noise, etc. This was a connecting flight coming back home from JNB, and we (family of four) were put on the four seats of the very last row. I didn't quite appreciate it...
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:50 pm

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 16):
Yes, KL operates both Embraer and Fokker jets, but the latter is to be phased out I've heard.

Only the F100's, the F70's are not going anywhere soon and will remain in the fleet for at least a few more years.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 7):
The Crj100 must have very low seat costs. It's lighter and burns less fuel than the E190. I flew on one recently and it's a very nice comfortable aircraft.
The only disadvantages i saw were the very long cabin and only a single boarding door, overhead bins were also small.
I hope the aircraft gets more sales.

I don't think we'll see the likes of LH-City Line, KL/AF-Regional, BA pick up the CRK. Why? They already have E90/95s.
I think it's safe to say the E90/95 is a much more passenger and cabin crew friendly a/c to fly, work on. Is the CRKs range similar to E90/95?

I know AF-Regional already has the CRK in their fleet. How happy are they with them?
Is it possible we'll see IBex pick up more since they have a large CR9 fleet along with the CRK fleet?

Is SK happy with the CR9s to order the CRK? If anything, I feel they would order the E95 to replace the much heavier and less fuel efficient 736s.

I don't think we'll see LX, OS or SN order the CRK since they are part of LH. I think they would go with the E75, E90/95s over the CRK. I had been wondering if LX was going to wait a few more years to replace those AR1s?

Quoting r2rho (Reply 14):
Scope clauses are the major blocking point that keeps the CRK out of the US market. If AA can loosen its scope coming out of bankruptcy, they're a candidate.

I think we'll see AA order the E90/E95 and it will be flown mainline. I don't think we'll see anything happen until something is decided if they'll stay as a stand alone carrier or if they will merge.

DL already has a pay scale set up for E90/95 cockpit crews and they could fly these birds on longer, thin midcon routes.

There's no telling what UAex will do these days since the merger. They definitely need a a/c in the 80-115 seat range since the remainder of COs 735s will be retired.

I believe AC is happy with the E75/E90 fleet. Can the CRK fly routes like YYZ-SEA/PDX/PHX/SAN which the E90 does for AC?

If anything I could see West Jet order some CRKs since they currently don't have an a/c in the 100 seat capacity, unless you include the heavy 736 which I believe they have configured with 120+ seats currently in all Y.
 
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
Hmm, perhaps Austrian Airlines to replace F70/F100 fleet? Or Brussels Airlines to replace Avro RJ fleet? Or SWISS to replace Avro RJ fleet?

Too big for OS and SN. LX are replacing 20-or-so Avros with 30 C-Series, so not a chance here either.

Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 3):
What about one of Lufthansas regional subsidaries? IE; Eurofly?

GJ isn't a Lufthansa affiliate at all, and I wouldn't call them major either.

Quoting btblue (Reply 8):
I've never flown in a CRJ but have on an ATR and it was pretty claustrophobic and an experience I will not repeat.

I can't even imagine what it would feel like being in the last row on a CRJ-1000.

Flown in an Adria Airways CRJ200 last year, FRA-VIE. Not pleasant in the second last row, especially when the whole plane is filled with business travellers who enjoy spreading their newspapers wider than their arms can reach.
If they did something about the engine noise on the CRJ1000 then that's alright, but fuselage width is still the same and therefore I am not looking forward to my next CRJ flight.

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 17):
AB - Q400 replacement? Not one of the first that comes to mind but I think the time has come to consider them "Major"

My other guess would actually be LH. They have a fairly significant fleet of Q400s, Avros, ATR's, and already operate and especially if they're trying to cut costs this quickly, dumping some those in favor of the CRJ-1000 would be practical. They already operate the -7 and -9.

AB could be in the game, but I think they are actually quite happy with their short-hop Q400s.
LH is highly unlikely, for reasons stated by others above, including the big news recently that they will not grow their fleet in the short term - for replacement they already have brand new E190s.
As a matter of fact I'm a little puzzled by your statement. To my knowledge LH does not own any Q400s or ATRs (only "Regional Members" do - but as far as I know they have full authority over their fleet planning).


My bet is on SAS. Seems logical   
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 13):
IB through Air Nostrum already operates the CRJ1000. We might see BA throwing itself in...

BA already has the embraer E170 and the E190
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:22 pm

Quoting EIRules (Reply 11):
Wonder could it be EI?

Might be a fair guess.

Quoting B6A322 (Reply 17):
AB - Q400 replacement? Not one of the first that comes to mind but I think the time has come to consider them "Major"


I cannot see AB replacing their Q400 fleet, as these a/c are still new (delivered only in 2008/09). But I can see them adding more airplanes in the below-144-seat range (that's the capacity of their 737-700s, second smallest in fleet other than their 76-seat Q400s). AB already uses some of Niki's E-190s (112 seats) on their own routes, so if there indeed will be an order, my guess it will be the E-Jet, not the CRJ1000.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:43 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 20):
Is it possible we'll see IBex pick up more since they have a large CR9 fleet along with the CRK fleet?

I don't see IBex operating anything aside from 319/320s. The only place for a CRK within IB is in the regional fleet of Air Nostrum and AFAIK they still have some CRJ's to be delivered.
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:54 pm

What about AF or BA? Could they use them for short flights to Ireland or other nearby destinations (maybe within the UK or France)?
 
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How about:

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:59 am

Maybe OA might be a good guess they have Q400's in the fleet I think maybe SN Avro replacements can the CRJ operate into LCY?

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 5:11 am

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):

Hmm, perhaps Austrian Airlines to replace F70/F100 fleet? Or Brussels Airlines to replace Avro RJ fleet? Or SWISS to replace Avro RJ fleet?

The Austrian Fokkers are supposed to stay for at least another 5 ears and the Swiss ARJ fleet will be replaced by CSeries.
Brussels Airlines might be a good guess but I would think that they will wait and see how the CSeries perform at swiss. Their ARJ fleet is only 14.2 years old

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 4):
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I highly doubt LH will be ordering any aircraft anytime soon, I believe a CEO or someone high in the ladder said they aren't going to be taking delivery of any new planes until 2014 or till the time is right. But if the regional airline is contracted and not owned by LH, then possibly.

LH won't grow thier fleet until 2014, they will be taking 747-830's but since they are retiring the 747-430 fleet they won't grow.

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Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:32 am

I have stated for several years that I don't understand why the CRJ 1000 has gained so few orders. It has more than enough range (a regional carrier does not need 4,000 km as the ERJ offers), the lowest CASM available, is low weighted that will save ground handling and landing costs, enough cargo capacity and has state of the art technology. The only disadvantage is the narrow and looooong cabin.

If passenger comfort would be the reason for airliners not to order the CRJ1000 (or actually to favour the ERJ), I do not understand why the A340-600 has obtained more orders too. Sorry for being off the topic a bit.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 4):
I highly doubt LH will be ordering any aircraft anytime soon, I believe a CEO or someone high in the ladder said they aren't going to be taking delivery of any new planes until 2014 or till the time is right. But if the regional airline is contracted and not owned by LH, then possibly.

I would not rule out an order by the LH-group just for fleet simplification (especially as LH has stated that they will phase out all aircraft with less than 70 seats).

Quoting aircanadaa330 (Reply 5):
I want to change my vote to SAS.

If they would like to accelerate the phase out their lovely but noisy MD-80s, my vote goes to SAS. Especially as they do not have ERJs and do operate CRJ-900s.

Quoting Harmonium (Reply 12):
Am I completely off by throwing in KL here?

Light chance. They keep their F70s until 2015/2016 and the seat capacity of the CRJ-1000 is similar to the ERJ190. A CRJ-900 would better fit KL as they have around 80 seats.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:38 am

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 29):


If passenger comfort would be the reason for airliners not to order the CRJ1000 (or actually to favour the ERJ), I do not understand why the A340-600 has obtained more orders too. Sorry for being off the topic a bit.

From an article I read on the Flybe deal, (as well as another airline which said as much), Emb is employing very aggressive financing at the moment...something BBD has been unwilling or unable to match. According to Aviation week, the financing for Flybe was so good that even with a more expensive aircraft to buy and operate, trip costs were almost the same between the E175 and the Q400 for some routes.

So even though the CRJ1000 is among the cheapest to operate on many routes, there is more than fuel burn and purchase price which go into trip cost...a lesson I'm just getting after some digging.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:23 am

Quoting AirGabon (Reply 9):
Brit Air (AF Group)?
Quoting jporterfi (Reply 25):
What about AF or BA?

AF operates already a fleet of 13 CRJ-1000 so that would not be very "new" ...


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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
TAP AIr Portugal (possibly Portugalia F100 replacement)

Olympic

Norwegian

Luxair

Tarom

JAT


CSA

Ukraine Intl

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That's not what I would call a "Major" European airline ...
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 21):
GJ isn't a Lufthansa affiliate at all, and I wouldn't call them major either

oops....I ment Eurowings
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:47 pm

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
Transavia

You must be joking....  
Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
Norwegian

Don't think so too. Low cost airlines normally operate only one or two aircraft types. Norwegian will do so with the 738 and A320s. Their 787 will be deployed for long haul flights. I don't think they will add a regional jet too.

All other airlines you mentioned might be possible.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:05 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 7):
The only disadvantages i saw were the very long cabin and only a single boarding door, overhead bins were also small.
I hope the aircraft gets more sales.

Yes, I have always thought that worked against the CRJ1000 in terms of LCCs and short turn times. It's quite a lengthy fuselage. I've been on the 705 (which is really a 900) several times and it's long enough. But YOW-YWG it was comfortable enough.

If it's a "majpr" Euro airline, I'd give my vote to SAS, as do several others apparently. Hope it comes to pass.
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:55 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 31):
That's not what I would call a "Major" European airline ...

I know, but with some typical BBD marketing spin... remember the "new European" Q400 order? Any order for BBD at the moment is "major" and all of those carriers are "major" in their country / home market.

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Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
Transavia

You must be joking.... Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
Norwegian

Just thinking outside the box - a potential WS situation where they run out of routes to use 737's and need something smaller.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:30 am

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 26):
Ukraine Intl

Not a chance in hell....
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:14 am

My guess still would be SK, they will retire their MD fleet soon and the 737/A32x might be too big for some of their routes. They have a huge CRJ fleet already and do not operate the EJet apart from other European airlines.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 21):
AB could be in the game, but I think they are actually quite happy with their short-hop Q400s.
Quoting Tobias2702 (Reply 23):
I cannot see AB replacing their Q400 fleet, as these a/c are still new (delivered only in 2008/09). But I can see them adding more airplanes in the below-144-seat range (that's the capacity of their 737-700s, second smallest in fleet other than their 76-seat Q400s). AB already uses some of Niki's E-190s (112 seats) on their own routes, so if there indeed will be an order, my guess it will be the E-Jet, not the CRJ1000.

I heard once that AB was not that happy with the Q400 fleet, but that was in the beginning. Maybe now all problems are sorted out. I do see the need of a smaller plane below the 737-700 but as Tobias2702 has pointed out AB owns Niki and therefore have E190s in their fleet already. The Niki EJets are now a common sight in TXL as they are used by AB on its own routes. I would rule AB out because of that.

Another idea, how about a low cost airline such as Easyjet ? I know they prefer having just one type of aircraft but maybe they have seen the need for smaller aircraft as well. It works with Flybe.
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Sun Apr 29, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
Another idea, how about a low cost airline such as Easyjet ? I know they prefer having just one type of aircraft

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that before JetBlue got E-jets to go with their A320s, that people were insisting they were wedded to the one type model. So, sure, it's possible. Could be Ryanair, and they're going to make it 5-abreast with 12" wide seats.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:09 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
Another idea, how about a low cost airline such as Easyjet ? I know they prefer having just one type of aircraft but maybe they have seen the need for smaller aircraft as well. It works with Flybe.

Also seems to be working for Jet Blue (B6 ??) so perhaps that is a model that would work. Easyjet certainly at this point would rank as a major European player.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
My guess still would be SK, they will retire their MD fleet soon and the 737/A32x might be too big for some of their routes.

SK has 737NG's and A320's on order to replace the last fleet of MD's, so there's no need to order the CRJ1000 unless they want to expand their network.

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
They have a huge CRJ fleet already and do not operate the EJet apart from other European airlines.

Huge?    They only have a small fleet of 12 CRJ900's.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:44 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
I heard once that AB was not that happy with the Q400 fleet, but that was in the beginning. Maybe now all problems are sorted out. I do see the need of a smaller plane below the 737-700 but as Tobias2702 has pointed out AB owns Niki and therefore have E190s in their fleet already. The Niki EJets are now a common sight in TXL as they are used by AB on its own routes. I would rule AB out because of that.

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 2):
Hmm, perhaps Austrian Airlines to replace F70/F100 fleet?
Quoting Semaex (Reply 21):
Too big for OS and SN. LX are replacing 20-or-so Avros with 30 C-Series, so not a chance here either.

Why not? though the CRJ1000 would be quite a downgrade in comfort from a F100.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:59 pm

Quoting LOWS (Reply 42):
Why not? though the CRJ1000 would be quite a downgrade in comfort from a F100.

Actually, if NG aircraft will have one potential customer, I believe it will be OS.....they seem to be very happy with these planes.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:11 pm

Aer Lingus were talking about adding regional jets, but they might wait another few years. They are still developing the Aer Lingus Regional brand in conjunction with Aer Arann
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 31):
That's not what I would call a "Major" European airline ...

Norwegian is actually pretty big with a fleet of 65 aircraft and 115 destinations. They have 283 aircraft on order. By 2020 they will have around 200 aircraft operational. When that is said i don't think they will order the CRJ 1000. On the other hand, Norwegian has surprised before ...

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Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:24 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 24):
don't see IBex operating anything aside from 319/320s. The only place for a CRK within IB is in the regional fleet of Air Nostrum and AFAIK they still have some CRJ's to be delivered.

That's correct, Talaier, and thanks for the clarification. I appreciate that   .

Quoting columba (Reply 37):
My guess still would be SK, they will retire their MD fleet soon and the 737/A32x might be too big for some of their routes. They have a huge CRJ fleet already and do not operate the EJet apart from other European airlines.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe I just read somewhere SK is looking to buy IBs parked M87s? If this is the case, I don't think we'll see then purchase any CRKs.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 46):
I just read somewhere SK is looking to buy IBs parked M87s? If this is the case, I don't think we'll see then purchase any CRKs.

SK is planning to phase out their MDs soon.
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Thu May 03, 2012 10:14 am

I think Danish(?) leasing company Nordic Aviation is the "airline" the article mentions. When Garuda ordered six CRJ1000 (+18 options) they also wanted to lease a further 12 x CRJ1000 from Nordic Aviation. Source: flightglobal.com

The Nordic Aviation order has not been confirmed, so I'm guessing Nordic are in talks with other airlines as well to increase the volume of the order and make the aircraft more attractive.

Perhaps Brit Air is looking to replace their 15 x CRJ100 (which are 15-20 years old now) and eventually the 15 x CRJ700 (some are 10 years old now), and it may be cheaper to lease 10-20 x CRJ1000 from Nordic Aviation than buying them from BBD.

LH Group has been shopping at Bombardier for 20 years and has operated CR1/CR2/CR7/CR9 - the CR7/CR9 are still flying high, and with the CR9 now having 90 seats (ref another thread here), the CRJ1000 may be useful too. Brussels and Eurowings come to mind.
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RE: Major European Airline Looks At CRJ1000

Thu May 03, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 48):
LH Group has been shopping at Bombardier for 20 years and has operated CR1/CR2/CR7/CR9 - the CR7/CR9 are still flying high, and with the CR9 now having 90 seats (ref another thread here), the CRJ1000 may be useful too. Brussels and Eurowings come to mind.

I doubt it, first LH won´t place an order for new aircraft anytime soon. Secondly if they order a 100 Seater it would be the CS100.
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