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Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:36 pm

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=145323

I guess that pilots are still needed to fly airliners.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:43 pm

I believe it was a ex Champion Air plane.

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:05 pm

It was the Discovery-channel who crashed (intentionally) a 727 in the Mexican desert for tests...
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:13 pm

From an article on this I just read, it will be part of a Discovery Channel series on crash landings to be shown in 2012. IIRC, about 20 years ago there was an intentional crash of an old B 720 with a load of fuel to try to figure out ways to reduce deaths and injuries from fire in a crash landing.

Edit: actually this was done in 1984 via NASA to see if an additive could be put into fuel to reduce fire in a crash. Here is webpage with video of the tests: http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/movie/CID/index.html

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:31 am

Shaky video but it's worth the 30 seconds.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mtM8R7KWyY&feature=related

Pilots parachute landing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5alQCrZzRs&feature=relmfu
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:51 pm

It clearly shows the dangers of landing nose wheel first (as no one was aboard to flair), with the nose section and cockpit braking off and rolling under the main fuselarge.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:00 pm

I'd love to know exactly what they wanted to achieve in that 727 test. What were they trying to simulate?

Regardless of what it was, I can't believe the rest of the fuselage stayed intact after the nose got ripped off so violently. That's impressive.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:28 pm

Quoting BryanG (Reply 6):
I'd love to know exactly what they wanted to achieve in that 727 test. What were they trying to simulate?

I was wondering the same thing, also there is PLENTY of desert in the U.S (NM, NV, AZ, TX, even California) I wonder if the U.S Government and the FAA told the Discovery Channel "OH HELL NO"...
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:17 pm

Believe it or not, g500, that seems likely. The FAA might have a problem with it, but also the EPA as well. There's a fair bit of oversight to aircraft disposal, and I doubt crashing one would pass muster that way.
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:31 pm

I'd like to know the details of the pilots' egress from the airplane. The aft airstairs do not appear down in the video, although I suspect this is how it was done; leaving though a cabin exit in a commercial jet is no easy task and very high risk.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:38 pm

I wonder how the crew were able to parachute out of the aircraft, given the location of the engines - they must have done something to avoid getting caught in or striking them.

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:57 pm

Quoting CM (Reply 9):
The aft airstairs do not appear down in the video, although I suspect this is how it was done; leaving though a cabin exit in a commercial jet is no easy task and very high risk.

They probably removed it altogether to ensure nothing would prevent the pilots' escape.
They joined the exclusive club of live commercial pilots with less landings than takeoffs...

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I wonder if the U.S Government and the FAA told the Discovery Channel "OH HELL NO"...

I'm guessing that's exactly what's happened.
They've probably even banned inbound calls from Discovery Channel by now after being tiredlessly harrassed by the Mythbusters for so many years.
Willingly crashing an aircraft on the ground close to a group of people filming it while the pilots would jump out with parachutes just prior sounds like the plot of an action movie. An official from a civil aviation agency in the US or Europe would have a brain seizure at the very mention of the idea...

Not to mention the hoards of ecotards protesting about the littering of aircraft debris and fuel in a natural area.
The necessary clearance must have been hard enough to arrange even in Mexico.
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:12 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
hoards of ecotards

Thanks for the visual!    Not sure everyone will appreciate it, but I needed a good chuckle this morning.
 
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Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:15 pm


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This is the only photo in database, but it is generic. No construction/line # or customer code. So how do we find out who this was first delivered to & when?
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:27 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 13):
This is the only photo in database, but it is generic. No construction/line # or customer code. So how do we find out who this was first delivered to & when?

I just updated it - the cn/ln was 21348/1287
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
An official from a civil aviation agency in the US or Europe would have a brain seizure at the very mention of the idea ...

In which case one can only hope that it was mentioned early and often...
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
They probably removed it altogether to ensure nothing would prevent the pilots' escape.

This video appears to show the aicraft heading off to it's fate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5T3pRe0pC8

I'm not sure, but it does look like there is a hole under the tail.

Take Off:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PxW_UtpSoM

Poor thing, I look at it swinging round and taxiing off, lamb to the slaughter house.

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:03 pm

as per the articles in Spanish, they removed the airstairs and the door. So, I guess pressurization was never in the cards. Now if the idea was to try to attempt a landing through remote control, as the articles in Spanish also state, the attempt obviously failed miserably.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting g500 (Reply 7):
I was wondering the same thing, also there is PLENTY of desert in the U.S (NM, NV, AZ, TX, even California)

Why would it have to be done in the US? In another article, it's mentioned that this place was chosen after a long search and they considered it ideal.
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:59 pm

It appears the engines may be intact as well! Certain they ingested a considerable amount of debris and dirt, but they appear to be visually unharmed! Wonder if they'll attempt to reuse them????
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:28 pm

Bob Doles campaign plane... lol

BTW: Everything I've seen indicates that Nat Geo was behind this not Discovery.
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 10):
I wonder how the crew were able to parachute out of the aircraft, given the location of the engines - they must have done something to avoid getting caught in or striking them.

I believe it is referred to as the "D.B. Cooper Method" of egress. IIRC in the '90s there was a DC-9 with the aft airstairs removed for a similar exit for parachutists.

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 pm

The aircraft was originally owned by AS...tail number N293AS. I believe she was purchased new by AS from Boeing.

http://www.gadling.com/2012/04/30/th...crashes-a-727-intentionally-video/
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 12:00 am

This 200 flew for Singapore and VASP, prior to joining AS.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Why would it have to be done in the US? In another article, it's mentioned that this place was chosen after a long search and they considered it ideal.

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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 8:19 am

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
They joined the exclusive club of live commercial pilots with less landings than takeoffs...

If you define that as pilots who were not onboard when the plane came down, that must be a very exclusive club! I cannot remember a single other incident. Can someone else? That is, pilots exiting a commercial jet while in flight.

(There certainly are plenty of pilots who crashed an airplane but lived to tell about it.)
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 23):
This 200 flew for Singapore and VASP, prior to joining AS.

Thanks 28L...was digging around trying to find that info. We had a rag-tag fleet of -27's back then....some new, some from Braniff and others that were indeterminal. The Braniff were easy to spot as they kept their leather seats their entire life. Those seats were looking pretty worn by the end but still very comfy!
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 10:32 pm

Interesting video. There's already a database entry on ASN:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20120427-0

Out of curiosity, would this preplanned crash have to be investigated by a transportation safety board or is it possible to waive an investigation under these types of circumstances.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Tue May 01, 2012 10:37 pm

A bit tough on the dummies at the front.
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Wed May 02, 2012 6:58 am

These bastards used a "rare" aircraft, whether it was cheap or not, this was one of the FEW remaining AIRWORTHY B727 Pax ships! They could have used something else to accomplish the same results!!!! How bout one of the 6 year old A318's????? Must admit, I'm still foaming mad about this, but alas, where does that get me??? Nowhere!!!!
 
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RE: Mexican B727 "crash" In Test

Wed May 02, 2012 9:38 am

Quoting United727 (Reply 29):

Chill dude, chill.

At least it went out with a bang instead of rotting away quietly in a slow death.
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