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DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:30 am

Hey all, ran a search and couldn't find it here,

What are DL's 744 routes this summer?

How many are in service and how many are on standby/stored (I heard one was stored but the last I heard from that was in December)

Are any being phased out or retired this year?

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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:38 am

I used July 10...

DTW-NRT
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT
JFK-NRT
JFK-TLV
HNL-NRT x2
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:47 am

15 are active
1 is in storage in MZJ

Currently at any given time 1-2 are out of service for cabin mods being done in Asia

No aircraft are being retired this year and/or in the forseeable future. The aircraft in storage is supposedly coming out of MZJ in August and will undergo cabin mods.

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
DTW-NRT
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT
JFK-NRT
JFK-TLV
HNL-NRT x2

By summer that requires 11 airplanes to fly the schedule. In addition there there will still be 1-2 frame out of service for mods, plus an additional 1-2 for maintenance and charter work.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:57 am

3 at a time are in the shop in Singapore for cabin upgrade including the one that was in storage.You can HNL KIX to the summer flight list and no charters till fall.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:17 am

Looks like the old status thread has been archived. Any updates on how many are in service now? My g/f is flying NRT-JFK on DL on Wednesday night (er...Thursday afternoon there because of the time difference), and I'm curious whether she will get a refurbed bird. This is her first flight on DL; being Japanese, she usually flies ANA when she's paying for it. She will be in EC.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:22 am

No more MSP to NRT on a 747-400 this summer?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:37 am

Quoting SYfan100 (Reply 5):

Nope, it was taken off the route last fall. Crossing my fingers for it to return when more of them get the new interior...
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:16 am

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 6):

That's to bad since that plane was almost pretty much always full! And even observed one time when actually heading to a different gate on that same concourse in which you could tell the flight from Japan had arrived!
Very nice people I might add as well when passing them.
However though I hope things return even for them because it always has been a popular route with Minneapolis.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:37 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 4):
Looks like the old status thread has been archived. Any updates on how many are in service now?

I think four are complete, but I'm not 100% sure on it. Unfortunately it looks like the flight your friend will be on is scheduled to be in the old configuration.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:10 am

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Quoting MSPNWA (Reply 8):

Yes, the following have been upgraded; N662US, N663US, N664US and N670US.
The following are currently being done; N661US, N666US and N665US.
The aircraft that has been in storage at MZJ for the last eleven months is N674US.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
The aircraft that has been in storage at MZJ for the last eleven months is N674US.

What's it doing there?

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
DTW-NRT
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT
JFK-NRT
JFK-TLV
HNL-NRT x2

What happened to the LAX-NRT route on the 747?
I'm planning a trip to NRT sometime in the middle to end of July; which of those routes to you all recommend?
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:50 am

Last summer I flew the 747 on DTW-AMS. Seems that they wont send it to AMS this year.
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:31 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):

What's it doing there?

In long term storage until August 2012.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 10):
What happened to the LAX-NRT route on the 747?

Switches to ATL-NRT in June.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 11):
Last summer I flew the 747 on DTW-AMS. Seems that they wont send it to AMS this year.


I am flying that route in June & July and am scheduled for the A330. I have flown a 744 on that route before, during the summer, but it doesn't look like it this year. I like the A330 and all, but I like to look out the window and see two engines hanging on each wing, it just looks cool!
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:46 am

Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
DTW-NRT
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT
JFK-NRT
JFK-TLV
HNL-NRT x2

This means there are more DL 744s operating through NRT than any other airport....   
As if JAL and ANA weren't enough hub operators....
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 12:57 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
N662US, N663US, N664US and N670US.

What's with the registrations ending in "US"?
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:25 pm

The US suffix on registrations dates itself back to the late 1950s when Donald Nyrop that wanted to eventually change the Northwest name to US Airlines. That never happened.

This long predates US Airways where their name didn't exist until the late 70's and USAirways still used the AL code for another 10 years.

Starting in the mid-90's NW switched over to using registrations of NW (NB for the A319s). Hence why many of the early build A320s, 757 (5500s), 744s still retain the US suffix.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting rangercarp (Reply 15):
Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
N662US, N663US, N664US and N670US.

What's with the registrations ending in "US"?

Delta likes to keep the registrations from earlier owners. DL has a few ex-TWA 75s that retain the TW suffix.
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 14):
This means there are more DL 744s operating through NRT than any other airport....

What about UA?

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 17):
Delta likes to keep the registrations from earlier owners. DL has a few ex-TWA 75s that retain the WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW suffix.

And don't forget the old WA 732s
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:41 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 17):
Delta likes to keep the registrations from earlier owners. DL has a few ex-TWA 75s that retain the WA Transworld Airlines (USA)">TW suffix.

And don't forget the old WA 732s

And until recently DC-9s with the RW suffix. I saw one in PWM about four years ago.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 17):
Delta likes to keep the registrations from earlier owners. DL has a few ex-TWA 75s that retain the TW suffix.

How about the Delta 767-400's that are MH...isn't MH Malaysian Airlines?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:13 pm

Quoting lucky777 (Reply 20):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 17):
Delta likes to keep the registrations from earlier owners. DL has a few ex-TWA 75s that retain the TW suffix.

How about the Delta 767-400's that are MH...isn't MH Malaysian Airlines?

Delta's 767-400s came direct from Boeing. DL and CO are, unfortunately, the only two airlines that ever purchased and operated the -400. All are still with their original two owners. One -400 airframe was built as a potential AWACS kind of platform for the USAF, but the program didn't happen. I think that one ended up with DL also, so maybe that's the MH?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:25 pm

There were all sorts of rumours and myths about the numerous MH aircraft, inluding that it meant Mullin Holdings.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:33 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):
I think that one ended up with DL also, so maybe that's the MH

The E-10 prototype languished at PAE for awhile before being sold to Bahrain Royal Flight for conversion into a VIP plane. Last seen languishing (again) in Hamburg, if I'm not mistaken.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 21):

All 21 767-400ERs in Delta fleet are NXXXMH. The E-10 is not with DL or CO. (went to a VIP)

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 22):

MH was the reg Boeing used for testing, so Delta just went with NXXXMH on all 21 aircraft. All 21 are owned by Delta and have nothing to do with that rat bas....Leo.
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:57 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
Yes, the following have been upgraded; N662US, N663US, N664US and N670US.
The following are currently being done; N661US, N666US and N665US.

Those three are scheduled to be done by early June. Having seven refurbed aircraft will allow them to operate daily service on the following routes by June 8:

NRT-ATL
NRT-JFK
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
JFK-TLV

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 18):
Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 14):
This means there are more DL 744s operating through NRT than any other airport....

What about UA?

UA has 3 744 flights a day through NRT. Currently, it's NRT-SFO, NRT-ORD, and NRT-SIN
By summer, it will be NRT-SFO, NRT-ORD, and NRT-HNL. All others are 777s.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:51 pm

Don't mean to hijack this, but what is pilot staffing like for this aircraft at DL?
Where are there 747 bases? How long is an average trip for a crew.. Just seems like the flights are widely scattered and wouldn't allow for many pilots in each base.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:09 pm

Nothing scheduled to LHR for the Olympics as of yet? Or are they sticking with 777/330 and 767's?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:32 pm

Quoting mjzair (Reply 26):
Don't mean to hijack this, but what is pilot staffing like for this aircraft at DL?
Where are there 747 bases? How long is an average trip for a crew.. Just seems like the flights are widely scattered and wouldn't allow for many pilots in each base.

I believe that DTW is currently the only 747 pilot base.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:04 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 9):
The aircraft that has been in storage at MZJ for the last eleven months is N674US.

Which is supposidly going to return to service on 5/15
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:05 pm

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 14):
Quoting premobrimo (Reply 1):
DTW-NRT
DTW-NGO
NGO-MNL
NRT-MNL
NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT
JFK-NRT
JFK-TLV
HNL-NRT x2

This means there are more DL 744s operating through NRT than any other airport....
As if JAL and ANA weren't enough hub operators....

Do some of the 744s from Asia continue on to other airports though? A few years back the 744 flew MNL-NGO-DTW using the same plane on continuation, while you would see another route TPE-NRT-DTW. So is that NRT-TPE flying back and forth or is it continuing on to DTW, JFT etc?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:29 pm

DTW is the only 744 base. The schedule is still very similar to what NW always did. The pilots deadhead to JFK and ATL the night before to start trips out of there. The flights out of NRT are flown by the pilots that come in from the US the day before. The trips are usually 8-10 days. The JFK to TLV flight is the only exception since it's an out and back trip.

The 747's that come in from ATL and JFK will continue on to TPE and MNL. They then do the opposite the next day.

JFK-NRT-TPE
ATL-NRT-MNL
DTW-NGO-MNL
HNL-NRT

They can obviously swap out different aircraft in NRT since the flight to and from the US depart and arrive within an hour of each other. They usually keep an operational spare in NRT.
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 22):

Nope...Mullins could not HOLD on to Jack!
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Tue May 01, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting xdlx (Reply 32):
Nope...Mullins could not HOLD on to Jack!

Exactly. That's why I used the word "myth". But at the time, there definitely were conspiracy theories floating around that the MH was for "Mullin Holding", which, rumour had it, was the owner. Pointing out that self-dealing like that from the CEO of a publicly-traded company would require full-disclosure, at a bare minimum, and as a practical matter wouldn't likely be permitted by the Board, did little to quell the rumours. Sit at the bar at Spondivits at the time, and if you asked crews what the MH was for, you'd get about 30 percent repeating that rumor, and 10 percent getting the answer right ("we just didn't bother reregistering them as DL or DA"), and the balance saying "Huh?".
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Thu May 03, 2012 1:05 am

How far in advance are the aircraft planned? More specifically, do we know whether the Saturday JFK-NRT will be on a refurbished 744?
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Thu May 03, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 34):

That flight isn't suppose to be scheduled with the 74S until May 7th
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Thu May 03, 2012 2:21 am

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 34):
How far in advance are the aircraft planned? More specifically, do we know whether the Saturday JFK-NRT will be on a refurbished 744?

When try to book a flight, the seat maps will show whether it is 74S or not. They should be pretty accurate for several months out now. ATL-NRT goes to the 74S on June 9 and DTW-NRT goes on Sept. 8.
 
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Thu May 03, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting michman (Reply 36):
When try to book a flight, the seat maps will show whether it is 74S or not. They should be pretty accurate for several months out now. ATL-NRT goes to the 74S on June 9 and DTW-NRT goes on Sept. 8.

275 does get the 74S tomorrow. Operated the route for a while off and on as well.
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RE: DL 744 Routes Summer 2012

Thu May 03, 2012 3:57 am

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 35):
That flight isn't suppose to be scheduled with the 74S until May 7th

Thank you. I see the listed amenities change on the flight information screen consistent with what people have been saying. Looks like it was the 74S yesterday, but not today, from NRT-JFK, and now it won't be a 74S back until several days from now, doubtless the 7th as you say. Oh, well. My g/f will perhaps have a chance to compare the better aircraft the next time she comes to visit, as she will have the unrefurb version on both legs this month.

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