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United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:19 pm

This past week I flew EWR-MIA-EWR on PMCO and PMUA. Both flights utilized gates from the G concourse (quite a dump, IMHO.) However I found a terminal map on google that advertised UA's gates at MIA from the 1990s and early 2000s from the F concourse. I flew through there on UA in 2000 and it was quite busy but they didn't really utilize all the gates. They also had a very large check in area if my memory serves correct.

Why did UA give up their gates in F? Was in because of BK? They also had an RCC there as well (no United Club at MIA these days either.)
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 1:46 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
Why did UA give up their gates in F? Was in because of BK? They also had an RCC there as well (no United Club at MIA these days either.)

UA had a large operation to GIG, GRU, EZE and SCL witt h 747, 767 and 777. That did not prove profitable with AA there. UA only had a long haul operation not a to Central America and the Caribean as AA does. UA eventually moved their Latin Gateways to ORD and IAD.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:01 pm

The dominance of AA with the airport authority re North Terminal, the cost of operating at MIA, restructuring internally at UA on how MIA and Latin were handled, subsequent Chapt 11, and the opening of South Terminal all contributed to the move from Concourse F (the original home of National then PanAM and is still 'unfinished for a few gates areas even now). FYI UA was originally on G. until DL pulled the plug on the PanAM Chapt 11 financing in order to sell the routes out of MIA to UA. Depending on what year you see the master plan G was either to come down or replaced by an RJ terminal....btw.

(there was a club designed into J by the way but the UA that eventually moved into J was nothing similar to the UA that helped design J...believe a Star Lounge is supposed to either be in or go in.....and UA is to move back to J eventually but suspect all of that is pending LANTAM/COPA/TACA/AV final locations)
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
The dominance of AA with the airport authority re North Terminal, the cost of operating at MIA, restructuring internally at UA on how MIA and Latin were handled, subsequent Chapt 11, and the opening of South Terminal all contributed to the move from Concourse F (the original home of National then PanAM and is still 'unfinished for a few gates areas even now). FYI UA was originally on G. until DL pulled the plug on the PanAM Chapt 11 financing in order to sell the routes out of MIA to UA. Depending on what year you see the master plan G was either to come down or replaced by an RJ terminal....btw

IF United had kept its operation it probably would have been the anchor tenant at J. J was planned as a Star concourse but things turned out differently as there is no Star alliance airline hu in MIA.

J also has many airlines using it since its the "new & shinny" part of MIA wanting to use it. LAN is supposed to move soon from J to the AA North terminal.

The next question is what is Miami-Dade going to do with the E, F and G concourses in the middle of the airport, plus the awful 1950's hotel ?
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:22 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
FYI UA was originally on G. until DL pulled the plug on the PanAM Chapt 11 financing in order to sell the routes out of MIA to UA. Depending on what year you see the master plan G was either to come down or replaced by an RJ terminal....btw.

So UA went from G to F and now back to G i'm assuming?

Last time I was in F with United was in 2000. I flew DCA-MIA on a 727. Back then they had a very nice operation there with 767 and 777 to MVD, GIG, GRU, EZE, etc They also had domestic feed to spoke cities such as ATL, MCO, LGA, DCA etc. Hub cities were routinely served by 767 and 777 from MIA back then. As a matter of fact, our return was MIA-ORD-EWR with MIA-ORD on a then brand new 777.

Gate areas were very busy where the RCC was. Although I do remember that there were gates in F (closer to security) that had UA signage but were hardly used. I want to say UA had nearly as many check in desks as AA back then.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
IF United had kept its operation it probably would have been the anchor tenant at J. J was planned as a Star concourse but things turned out differently as there is no Star alliance airline hu in MIA.

Would have loved to see this. Seems the new UA is a much stronger animal at FLL than MIA with Silver having a rather large significance at FLL. UA in G at MIA is limited to EWR, IAD, ORD and seasonal CLE and DEN.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:14 pm

I travelled through there earlier this month. 'G' is a disgrace. UA's check-in area is a disaster,and their staf is surly . I'll never fly UA out of MIA ,again. FLL next time.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:29 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 5):
travelled through there earlier this month. 'G' is a disgrace. UA's check-in area is a disaster,and their staf is surly . I'll never fly UA out of MIA ,again. FLL next time.

Wasn't all that bad for me. Curb side check in staff checked me into my flight last night without even asking. Security was painless. But G itself was in pretty rough shape.

I will also say the 739 was lacking, mainly in seat comfort but that's a different story.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:39 pm

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
The dominance of AA with the airport authority re North Terminal

United had the opportunity. AA and United came into their MIA "hub" operations around the same time, but AA was intensely focused while United's focus was elsewhere. By the time United closed the gateway around 2003, their operation was a shadow of its former self, and of what AA had become.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
The next question is what is Miami-Dade going to do with the E, F and G concourses in the middle of the airport, plus the awful 1950's hotel ?

If things keep going the way they've been going, AA is going to need E - I suspect it will ultimately get more closely integrated into the D/North complex. F and G can become a viable lower-cost terminal for new entrants and non-aligned international carriers.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
they had a very nice operation there with 767 and 777 to MVD, GIG, GRU, EZE, etc

To my knowledge, United never flew nonstop from MIA to MVD, and even if they did, it definitely wasn't by 2000 - by then the flight was via EZE.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:46 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):

Your right. It was through EZE. Either way back then UA had a nice little focus city at MIA.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:14 pm

When some one did an analysis of the number of planes used for the MIA hub they probably figured out using 2 777 or 767 for each route was NOT there best use. With UA expanding to Europe and Asia 8 or 10 long haul planes looked better crossing an ocean and not teh Amazon.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:18 pm

When some one did an analysis of the number of planes used for the MIA hub they probably figured out using 2 777 or 767 for each route was NOT there best use. With UA expanding to Europe and Asia 8 or 10 long haul planes looked better crossing an ocean and not teh Amazon.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 7):
To my knowledge, United never flew nonstop from MIA to MVD, and even if they did, it definitely wasn't by 2000 - by then the flight was via EZE.
Quoting tommy767 (Reply 8):
Your right. It was through EZE. Either way back then UA had a nice little focus city at MIA

I flew UA MIA MVD in 1999. The MIA-EZE segment was filled to capacity. Only about 35 people were aboard the 747 on the continuing leg to MVD
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 3):
LAN is supposed to move soon from J to the AA North terminal.

Really? Remember that LATAM will operate close to 100 weekly passenger flights at MIA with B763s, B77Ws, A332s, and one daily A320 service.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:11 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 5):

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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:31 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Really? Remember that LATAM will operate close to 100 weekly passenger flights at MIA with B763s, B77Ws, A332s, and one daily A320 service

Its not going to work very well if LAN passengers have to cross the whole airport to connect. The AA north terminal always had the LAN flights in the "Plan". Close in Concourse E may need to be renovated but LAN at J is NOT part of the AA "Plan". Now if Latam goes with the Star alliance they will stay in J.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
ts not going to work very well if LAN passengers have to cross the whole airport to connect.

It already works well; it should be noted that sometimes LAN operated flights also use Concourse H.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
The AA north terminal always had the LAN flights in the "Plan".

And so were BA and IB operated flights. AA is still growing at MIA and they need the space at the North Terminal.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 2:31 am

LAN is absolutely moving to the North Terminal, as is airberlin.

United will go back to J.

British Airways/Iberia will move to the low-D gates, where the old BA lounge can be re-opened. LAN is supposedly going to takeover the current BA/IB/AA joint lounge in E, as LAN/TAM will use the E gates.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 2:57 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
LAN is supposedly going to takeover the current BA/IB/AA joint lounge in E

I know LAN has plans to open a Salón VIP at MIA and take over BA's current check-in counters at MIA.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
as LAN/TAM will use the E gates.

When will Concourse E officially become part of the North Terminal since its considered the Central Terminal?
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
LAN is absolutely moving to the North Terminal, as is airberlin.
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
LAN is supposedly going to takeover the current BA/IB/AA joint lounge in E, as LAN/TAM will use the E gates.

They're going to move from J to E? How depressing.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Its not going to work very well if LAN passengers have to cross the whole airport to connect. The AA north terminal always had the LAN flights in the "Plan". Close in Concourse E may need to be renovated but LAN at J is NOT part of the AA "Plan".

I imagine most LAN flights arrive early AM and depart in the PM. Can the new D really not accomodate this already, even before it is 100% completed?!
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 3:30 am

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 18):
I imagine most LAN flights arrive early AM and depart in the PM.

Not true; LAN has several flights that do not arrive early AM. Also, LAN has several flights that depart in the morning and the afternoon. LAN will increase frequency on several routes into MIA this Fall. LIM-MIA increases to 17x weekly, SCL-PUJ-MIA increases to 2x weekly and SCL-CUN-MIA increases to 2x weekly.

LAN Colombia:
BOG-MIA arrives at MIA 11:15 daily
MIA-BOG departs MIA at 12:45 daily

LAN Ecuador:
MIA-UIO departs MIA at 13:50 daily

LAN Perú:
LIM-MIA arrives at MIA 15:50 daily
MIA-LIM departs MIA at 17:40 daily
LIM-MIA arrives at MIA 16:10 3x weekly

LAN Airlines:
*SCL-GYE-CCS-MIA arrives at MIA at 19:45 weekly
*SCL-CCS-MIA arrives at MIA 18:35 weekly
*SCL-PUJ-MIA arrives at MIA 19:35 2x weekly
*SCL-CUN-MIA arrives at MIA 20:00 2x weekly


LAN Argentina:
*EZE-PUJ-MIA arrives at MIA 18:00 weekly

*The return flights all depart MIA in the morning.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 19):
Not true; LAN has several flights that do not arrive early AM. Also, LAN has several flights that depart in the morning and the afternoon. LAN will increase frequency on several routes into MIA this Fall. LIM-MIA increases to 17x weekly, SCL-PUJ-MIA increases to 2x weekly and SCL-CUN-MIA increases to 2x weekly.

Interesting, thanks for the info...I didn't run those numbers to see how many gates it would require, but I still think it shouldn't be a problem to put them in D. Perhaps I am wrong though.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 2:04 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 20):
Interesting, thanks for the info...I didn't run those numbers to see how many gates it would require, but I still think it shouldn't be a problem to put them in D. Perhaps I am wrong though.

We must also include flights operated by TAM, (LAN will operate SCL-MIA 2x daily as well on a year-round basis). As you can see the problem is in the morning. LA/JJ will require up to 9 gates!

*BSB-MIA 03:30 (4x weekly)
*CNF-MIA 04:00 (3x weekly)
UIO-MIA 04:10
GIG-MIA 04:30
SCL-MIA 05:10
GRU-MIA 05:15
EZE-MIA 06:00
LIM-MIA 06:30
SCL-MIA 06:40
LIM-MIA 14:50
GRU-MIA 15:50
MAO-MIA 18:25

*Expected to operate daily by Q4.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 21):
We must also include flights operated by TAM, (LAN will operate SCL-MIA 2x daily as well on a year-round basis). As you can see the problem is in the morning. LA/JJ will require up to 9 gates!

Ok, in that case couldn't they use D/E as necessary in the morning for arrivals and have departures only from D? How many departure gates are needed during peak times?
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 9:14 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
UA had a large operation to GIG, GRU, EZE and SCL witt h 747, 767 and 777. That did not prove profitable with AA there. UA only had a long haul operation not a to Central America and the Caribean as AA does. UA eventually moved their Latin Gateways to ORD and IAD.

I should note that the 747s (-100s, -200s, and the occasional SP, but not -400s) left MIA once the 777s came online. UA was the first airline to fly the 777 into MIA.

Quoting tommy767 (Thread starter):
Why did UA give up their gates in F? Was in because of BK? They also had an RCC there as well (no United Club at MIA these days either.)

They moved to Concourse J to be in the same concourse as their Star Alliance partners. I believe they even had a separate first class lounge on the fourth floor of Concourse F, above Gates F17/F19/F21/F23. The space is presently used for storage by the aviation department.

Quoting hiflyer (Reply 2):
(there was a club designed into J by the way but the UA that eventually moved into J was nothing similar to the UA that helped design J...believe a Star Lounge is supposed to either be in or go in.....and UA is to move back to J eventually but suspect all of that is pending LANTAM/COPA/TACA/AV final locations)

The lounge is at Gate J5, and sat unused for several years before a Club America opened in that space.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
So UA went from G to F and now back to G i'm assuming?

Last time I was in F with United was in 2000. I flew DCA-MIA on a 727. Back then they had a very nice operation there with 767 and 777 to MVD, GIG, GRU, EZE, etc They also had domestic feed to spoke cities such as ATL, MCO, LGA, DCA etc. Hub cities were routinely served by 767 and 777 from MIA back then. As a matter of fact, our return was MIA-ORD-EWR with MIA-ORD on a then brand new 777.

Gate areas were very busy where the RCC was. Although I do remember that there were gates in F (closer to security) that had UA signage but were hardly used. I want to say UA had nearly as many check in desks as AA back then.
UA went from G to F in the early 1990s after buying the remnants of PA's Latin American network, and stayed there until Concourse J opened. They then moved back to G (along with Continental) as J became increasingly crowded.

I remember seeing the far end of F crowded with heavies around 11 PM as all the red-eyes to South America got ready to leave. UA also flew charters to HAV, and even used a 777 if there was one available.

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 4):
Gate areas were very busy where the RCC was. Although I do remember that there were gates in F (closer to security) that had UA signage but were hardly used. I want to say UA had nearly as many check in desks as AA back then.

The UA signage was on those gates (Gate F8 in particular) two years after they left the concourse!  
Quoting United_fan (Reply 5):
I travelled through there earlier this month. 'G' is a disgrace. UA's check-in area is a disaster,and their staf is surly . I'll never fly UA out of MIA ,again. FLL next time.

Their staff was okay, not exceptional, but not rude. Concourse G is definitely the worst in the terminal, followed closely by Low E where LA is moving.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 12):
Really? Remember that LATAM will operate close to 100 weekly passenger flights at MIA with B763s, B77Ws, A332s, and one daily A320 service.

The plan has always been for oneworld operations to be consolidated at the north side of the airport. LA/LP/XL/4M were originally to use gates in the former Concourse A, where they were before the shuffling started.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
Its not going to work very well if LAN passengers have to cross the whole airport to connect. The AA north terminal always had the LAN flights in the "Plan". Close in Concourse E may need to be renovated but LAN at J is NOT part of the AA "Plan". Now if Latam goes with the Star alliance they will stay in J.

  

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 15):
It already works well; it should be noted that sometimes LAN operated flights also use Concourse H.

And so were BA and IB operated flights. AA is still growing at MIA and they need the space at the North Terminal.

No, it does not work well, and this LA flights occasionally use Concourse H due to overcrowding in J. This is exactly why the aviation department is eager to move them out of the South Terminal.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
LAN is absolutely moving to the North Terminal, as is airberlin.

United will go back to J.

British Airways/Iberia will move to the low-D gates, where the old BA lounge can be re-opened. LAN is supposedly going to takeover the current BA/IB/AA joint lounge in E, as LAN/TAM will use the E gates.

  

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 18):
I imagine most LAN flights arrive early AM and depart in the PM. Can the new D really not accomodate this already, even before it is 100% completed?!

I would imagine that the planners didn't foresee the LA/JJ merger, and that AA has grown substantially since the North Terminal was first envisioned nearly twenty nears ago. I'm not surprised that a construction project in Miami-Dade County was built with little to no foresight.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 22):
Ok, in that case couldn't they use D/E as necessary in the morning for arrivals and have departures only from D? How many departure gates are needed during peak times?

All of them, I would imagine. AA is already overflowing into Low E as it is.

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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
Concourse G is definitely the worst in the terminal, followed closely by Low E where LA is moving.

I just can't imagine why LA would move there. It's gross.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
The plan has always been for oneworld operations to be consolidated at the north side of the airport. LA/LP/XL/4M were originally to use gates in the former Concourse A, where they were before the shuffling started.

This should remain the plan.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
I would imagine that the planners didn't foresee the LA/JJ merger, and that AA has grown substantially since the North Terminal was first envisioned nearly twenty nears ago. I'm not surprised that a construction project in Miami-Dade County was built with little to no foresight.

Indeed. As a few posters on here have noted in detail, it shouldn't be a huge project to re-model E to match the new D. Won't be nearly as expensive as the rest of the North Terminal project, and could probably be done (in a normal city) in two years.

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 23):
All of them, I would imagine. AA is already overflowing into Low E as it is.

Well I wonder how much of this is due to the fact that the FIS facility is still in E. It probably makes sense for AA to send as many widebodies into E (along with the D gates close to E) as much as possible. Once the last three widebody gates are complete in the coming months, and with the new D FIS facility opening, perhaps AA will be less dependent on E than they are now.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 10:34 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 24):
I just can't imagine why LA would move there. It's gross.
Quoting washingtonian (Reply 18):
They're going to move from J to E? How depressing.


No where near as nice as D but it makes it a lot better for connections and bags. On another site someone was asking for some tips because he was flying from BNA to LIM via AA and LAN, when he heard that he had to go through security again to get to AA to Lan he did not understand why two airline partners will do it. As good as D and J are passengers and bags will be happier with E and D.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 17):
When will Concourse E officially become part of the North Terminal since its considered the Central Terminal?


Well it is considered part of the central but it is connected after security to D so for AA D and E serve as one terminal. I wonder if AA continues to expand if they will have to use the high E gates again.
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Tue May 01, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting flymia (Reply 25):
No where near as nice as D but it makes it a lot better for connections and bags. On another site someone was asking for some tips because he was flying from BNA to LIM via AA and LAN, when he heard that he had to go through security again to get to AA to Lan he did not understand why two airline partners will do it.

I just don't understand prestigious airlines using crappy facilities. At JFK, for example, almost every "significant" airline moved to nicer facilities once they could do so in the last decade. J to E is the equivalent of an airline like Virgin Atlantic moving from Terminal 4 back to Terminal 3 (the Delta terminal). I'd hope that the LATAM check-in facilities will at least be located in the newer, renovated part of the North Terminal...

Quoting flymia (Reply 25):
As good as D and J are passengers and bags will be happier with E and D.

Not so sure about that. I almost bet going through FIS at J, dropping off your bags at the re-check counter, walking to D and clearing security there is nicer than the E FIS process--it's a zoo. When I went through it last year, I dropped my bag off for my connecting flight and there were literally perhaps 200 bags ahead of mine for the TSA scanner. I was shocked when it made it on my connecting flight. Although the new FIS will be open soon and E will be relieved a bit....

Quoting flymia (Reply 25):
I wonder if AA continues to expand if they will have to use the high E gates again.

They would be stupid to do so. They would be much better off knocking down the high E gates and start building a new linear concourse there to match D (that will eventually extend to where the low E gates currently are). That will surely give AA and OneWorld partners enough room for at least the next decade.

Random question btw: F has never had FIS right? Back in the 70s and 80s, all international passengers cleared at the E FIS correct? The same exact third floor facility that is in use today?
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Wed May 02, 2012 1:17 am

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 26):
I just don't understand prestigious airlines using crappy facilities. At JFK, for example, almost every "significant" airline moved to nicer facilities once they could do so in the last decade. J to E is the equivalent of an airline like Virgin Atlantic moving from Terminal 4 back to Terminal 3 (the Delta terminal). I'd hope that the LATAM check-in facilities will at least be located in the newer, renovated part of the North Terminal...

It might have something to do with the airlines there either owning or having long-term leases on their facilities, whereas at MIA they're dependent on the aviation department to make improvements.

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 26):
They would be stupid to do so. They would be much better off knocking down the high E gates and start building a new linear concourse there to match D (that will eventually extend to where the low E gates currently are). That will surely give AA and OneWorld partners enough room for at least the next decade.

Random question btw: F has never had FIS right? Back in the 70s and 80s, all international passengers cleared at the E FIS correct? The same exact third floor facility that is in use today?

I think that exact plan was floated around a decade or so ago, but was quietly buried amidst the North Terminal debacle.

And yes, when Concourses D and F were rebuilt to be able to accept international arrivals, the sterile circulation corridors were always connected to the FIS in Concourse E, similar to how the B FIS served Concourses A, B, C, and D.
 
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RE: United At MIA In The 1990s

Wed May 02, 2012 1:23 am

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 27):
I think that exact plan was floated around a decade or so ago, but was quietly buried amidst the North Terminal debacle.

A decade ago it would have made no sense. But now, in 2012, Miami and MIA are booming. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the South Terminal pretty packed most of the day? It's amazing to accept but MIA has just undergone over a decade of tremendous renovations and new concourse and that probably still isn't enough to handle the next 20 years of growth....

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 27):
And yes, when Concourses D and F were rebuilt to be able to accept international arrivals, the sterile circulation corridors were always connected to the FIS in Concourse E, similar to how the B FIS served Concourses A, B, C, and D.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. Do you happen to know when F was linked to the E FIS? So for many years E was the main international concourse for Pan Am, Eastern, etc correct?

Also, how was the B FIS compared to the E FIS--just as dark and dingy, etc?