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DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 3:48 pm

Unfortunate situation developing in DC regarding the second phase of this project, which would - finally! - connect the Metro to Dulles.

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After more than 10 years of planning to add 23 miles of Metro rail line in Northern Virginia, the second part of the Silver Line project could be dead before a spade of dirt is turned.

The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, Virginia, and Loudoun and Fairfax counties are at a stalemate over pro-union labor deals, concerns about costs and an inspector general’s investigation of the authority.

“This project will die if the stakeholders cannot get together and resolve their differences,” said Leo J. Schefer, head of the Washington Airports Task Force, a group of business leaders that supports the Silver Line.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...t/2012/04/29/gIQA9RaIqT_story.html
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:56 pm

Thanks for sharing the article.

A Metro line to Dulles Airport was planned as part of the original proposals for Metro 50 years ago, but dropped before the final system was approved in the late 1960s.

I think a Metro extension to Dulles will happen at some point, but it is very unfortunate that it is taking so long!
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:04 pm

I am not very familiar with this issue. I would guess though that this benefits airlines that operate at DCA and not IAD and to the greatest extent, this probably would help US Airways. I would imagine that this would allow their hub operation to continue to demand a premium because there are no easy alternatives for the air traveler in downtown DC.

Is that about the gist of it?
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:12 pm

To update others: Half of the Silver Line is nearing completion. There are quite a few obstacles remaining with the other half, but the big big issues have been settled (paying for it, the IAD station location, etc).
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 2):
I am not very familiar with this issue. I would guess though that this benefits airlines that operate at DCA and not IAD and to the greatest extent, this probably would help US Airways. I would imagine that this would allow their hub operation to continue to demand a premium because there are no easy alternatives for the air traveler in downtown DC.

Is that about the gist of it?

I would say not necessarily... Dulles has two things DCA doesn't: Large number of international flights and a heavier schedule of West Coast departures. So if you want a n/s to London for example, of a better choice of departures to LAX or SFO, you go to Dulles (or connect somewhere out of DCA). Generally though, I would say that most people in DC looking at East Coast/midwest domestic flights are going to stick with DCA as much as possible because of the convenience (and a lengthy metro ride will not make Dulles that much more convenient or desirable). Plus in my experience Dulles doesn't have particularly good fares anyhow, so it's not as though distance is keeping DCers from some treasure trove of bargains. (BWI tends to be regarded as the airport with good fares.)
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:44 pm

I am a bit worried about the rumblings from Loudoun Co. about pulling out of their share of the Metro project, but I haven't seen anything definitive about what happens under that scenario. There is a doom-and-gloom view that if Loudoun pulls out, that jeopardizes the whole thing, but I have to think that the sunk costs are too high at this point to abandon the Silver Line Phase II altogether.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 12:25 am

Having lived in the DC area for over 20 years - and as a result being familiar with the political structure in the area - this news isn't exactly shocking to me.

This project is important for IAD, as well as the people in the area. The politicos involved in this need to put their parochial interests aside and get the job done.

Just curious - has the line gotten to Tyson's Corner yet?
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 12:40 am

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 2):
I would imagine that this would allow their hub operation to continue to demand a premium because there are no easy alternatives for the air traveler in downtown DC.

I was ironically enough just looking at this today for a trip out there in May. Is Express bus 5A really that bad? Looks like a straight shot from L'Enfant plaza to IAD with only a few stops along the way.
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting contrails (Reply 6):
Having lived in the DC area for over 20 years - and as a result being familiar with the political structure in the area - this news isn't exactly shocking to me.

Having lived in DC for only 3 years and having just left the area, I can't say this news is exactly shocking to me either.
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 3:08 am

Ditto the not shocking sentiment from above.

As a matter of fact, it wasn't that long ago in another forum that I predicted that this line was not going to be completed anytime soon and I got flamed by someone with an opposing view.

It reminds me of the battle to get the train to JFK. Proposed in the 60s...not completed until the early 2000s.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 3:14 am

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 4):
Plus in my experience Dulles doesn't have particularly good fares anyhow, so it's not as though distance is keeping DCers from some treasure trove of bargains. (BWI tends to be regarded as the airport with good fares.)

That is one of the reasons I was looking forward to it. I have always wanted to visit the Smithsonian annex at Dulles, but have friends near downtown, but there is not a really convenient way to get to and from.. Hopefully the issues can get worked out.
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 3:24 am

Quoting contrails (Reply 6):
Just curious - has the line gotten to Tyson's Corner yet?

By the horrible traffic jams even at the calmest hours while driving thru Tyson's, yes it's there   The 1st phase is basically almost completed. There are tracks laid down and stations are taking shape along the greenway (Dulles Toll Road).

Even though I would love the metro to connect from DC to IAD, I don't know about taking it. I go to school in DC, but live at home only maybe 10 mins from IAD, and if I take metro to get to the nearest metro station near my home, it's already over an hour commute (even worse during rush hour). I just don't see why people would want to take maybe an 1.5 hour commute to IAD when DCA is only 25 mins from the center of DC. I can understand people flying international but, for domestic, I would choose taking metro to DCA instead of IAD (and DCA has lower fares most the time!)

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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 4:41 am

This is just posturing. Nothing will come of it.

Its got all the mechanisms in place. They WILL do it.

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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 10:16 am

Virginia needs to take the toll road and project back from MWAA, who never should have gotten it in the first place, Tim Kaine gave it to them as payback to union contributors. Additionally, the real choke point is the 66/toll road merge, traffic in the phase 2 area is far lighter than than in the phase1 area currently being built. If they stop at Wiehle and keep tolls down by not building phase 2, might not be such a terrible thing.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 10:35 am

Quoting working2gether (Reply 11):
There are tracks laid down and stations are taking shape along the greenway (Dulles Toll Road).

to be precise, I think the Greenway begins where the dulles toll road ends - so they aren't the same thing.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 2:46 pm

Maybe MWAA should have a land-side Aerotrain the meets the Metro at Reston. LOL JK

This is what happens when you leave something up to the government, things don't get done. As far as the train goes although the connectivity is there, its not that much more convenient time wise unless the metro uses faster trains. Even if you're flying international it my be quicker to take a 45 min flight from DCA to EWR/JFK and then get a connection from there, and your options are that much more; I think that's a lot better than an hour long metro ride to IAD with not that many international options.

That being said, as a Northern Virginia resident I would def like to see the Metro come to IAD and Loudoun County, it would help out with the traffic congestion alot.

Has the location of the IAD station been confirmed yet?

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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting iaddca (Reply 13):
Additionally, the real choke point is the 66/toll road merge, traffic in the phase 2 area is far lighter than than in the phase1 area currently being built. If they stop at Wiehle and keep tolls down by not building phase 2, might not be such a terrible thing.

Except there won't be nearly enough parking at the Wiehle station to handle people commuting in from Herndon/Sterling/Ashburn/Leesburg and taking the silver line from there. Inherent in the layout of the silver line is having a number of park and ride stations (Herndon, Rte. 28, Rte. 606, Rte. 772) further along the line to spread out the commuter traffic. Without those, I don't think the investment in the line is going to cause any significant reduction in the amount of traffic on the Toll Road.

I do agree that when push comes to shove, all parties are going to figure this thing out and get the 2nd phase done. There's too much money to be made for both counties (both Loudoun and Fairfax) via development to allow this to drop.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 3:05 pm

I can understand why Loudoun doesn't want to pay for the train to go to Dulles as it's really the Fairfax residents who are benefitting from the extension and whose property values are going up. The airport is barely in Loudoun, and it's not like the train is going to Leesburg. Loudoun residents will still have to drive to Dulles.

Will there even be a convenient lot for Loudoun residents who want to drive in and take the train from Dulles? Otherwise, they may as well drive to Reston, which I believe will be complete next year anyway.

If you drive around the more rural parts of Loudoun, you'll see plenty of "say no to Dulles metro" signs, and I understand why. I guess the MWAA will just have to continue its relentless speed traps on the toll road to pay for the thing.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 4:20 pm

Quoting miguel0881 (Reply 17):
The airport is barely in Loudoun, and it's not like the train is going to Leesburg. Loudoun residents will still have to drive to Dulles.

There are two more stations planned beyond IAD, deeper into Loudon. Here's a link to a map of the new line:

http://www.dullesmetro.com/pdfs/Route%20Map_SilverLine.pdf
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting miguel0881 (Reply 17):
I can understand why Loudoun doesn't want to pay for the train to go to Dulles as it's really the Fairfax residents who are benefitting from the extension and whose property values are going up. The airport is barely in Loudoun, and it's not like the train is going to Leesburg. Loudoun residents will still have to drive to Dulles.

At risk is Phase 2 of the project (link goes to PDF), which - when including Loudoun County - appears to be at least half of the alignment. Regardless of what the split is, the extension goes down the Greenway and will be of value to the County directly.

I believe that the County understands value in this context, and it could be reasonably argued that today's Loudoun County would be far different without Dulles and the economically vibrant Tech Corridor, and I'm pretty sure the County understands this too. To that end, I tend to agree with Neil on this: it's a lot of political posturing, but there's far too much on the line - no pun intended - for this not to move forward.

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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 4:26 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 18):
There are two more stations planned beyond IAD, deeper into Loudon. Here's a link to a map of the new line:

http://www.dullesmetro.com/pdfs/Rout...e.pdf

Thanks, I didn't realize it was projected to go beyond Dulles. Still, it's really not that far into Loudoun and I could see why many in the county are balking at the cost.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 7:20 pm

Transportation projects and the phrase "in jeopardy" go hand-in-hand. No surprises here.

Politically, Fairfax and Loudon counties are about as far apart as are the Commonwealth of Virginia and the State of Maryland. Building a Line through private sector Tyson's Corner, through left-leaning Fairfax County, to the federal government's Dulles airport, on to right-leaning Loudon County...wow, how does anything get funded and done?

My hat's off to the Democratic Administration's Secretary of Transportation, that would be Republican Ray LaHood, for the efforts to reach compromises. Amazing to see the work done so far from West Falls Church, through Tyson's to Wiehle Avenue in Reston. Here's hoping the August 2013 or thereabouts completion date for that portion of the Silver Line is met.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Tue May 01, 2012 10:05 pm

I think (or hope) it'll get sorted out. Seems like it's just political posturing in the way now. Maybe LaHood can crack heads one more time, and get it sorted.
 
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RE: DC Metro Line Extension To Dulles In Jeopardy

Thu May 03, 2012 2:48 pm

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