OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:08 pm

Spirit has just announced new baggage fees, effective November 6th, 2012:

Carry-On Bag
- $25 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $30 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, during online check-in)
- $35 (group booking, group desk purchase, more than 24 hours before flight departs)
- $35 (online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $40 (online purchase, during online check-in)
- $40 (group booking, group desk purchase, within 24 hours of flight departure)
- $40 (reservation center purchase)
- $50 (airport counter/kiosk purchase)
- $100 (airport gate purchase)

First Checked Bag
- $20 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $25 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, during online check-in)
- $30 (group booking, group desk purchase, more than 24 hours before flight departs)
- $30 (online purchase)
- $35 (group booking, group desk purchase, within 24 hours of flight departure)
- $35 (online purchase, during online check-in)
- $35 (reservation center purchase)
- $45 (airport counter/kiosk purchase)

Second Checked Bag
- $30 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $35 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, during online check-in)
- $40 (group booking, group desk purchase, more than 24 hours before flight departs)
- $40 (online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $45 (group booking, group desk purchase, within 24 hours of flight departure)
- $45 (online purchase, during online check-in)
- $45 (reservation center purchase)
- $55 (airport counter/kiosk purchase)

Third, Fourth, Fifth Checked Bag
- $75 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $80 ($9 Fare Club member, online purchase, during online check-in)
- $85 (group booking, group desk purchase, more than 24 hours before flight departure)
- $85 (online purchase, at booking/before check-in)
- $90 (group booking, group desk purchase, within 24 hours of flight departure)
- $90 (online purchase, during online check-in)
- $90 (reservation center purchase)
- $100 (airport counter/kiosk purchase)

Baggage fees vary according to method and time of purchase, and are now standardized between domestic and international flights. Overweight/oversize baggage and sporting equipment fees remain the same.

www.spirit.com/OptionalFees.aspx
 
Josh32121
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:02 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:19 pm

OMFG, does this really have to be such a complex fee structure? I hope they made some big, pretty posters with gigantic flowcharts so the employees and passengers can comprehend this labyrinth of combinations.

Wouldn't it be easier to describe the various purchase methods other than at the airport gate as "save $xx by buying online," "$9 Fare Club Members save $10" (or maybe make it $9 to make it easier to remember) instead of listing separate prices for each combo?
 
Jerseyguy
Posts: 2027
Joined: Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:05 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:21 pm

I sure wouldnt want to be the agent who has to tell a pax who isnt aware of the carry-on fee that you must pay $100 for the carry-on because your at the gate.Oh and just in time for the Thanksgiving/Christmas Holiday Rush too

[Edited 2012-05-01 10:22:51]
Webmaster of an unoffical TTN page see profile for details
 
OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:23 pm

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 1):
OMFG, does this really have to be such a complex fee structure? I hope they made some big, pretty posters with gigantic flowcharts so the employees and passengers can comprehend this labyrinth of combinations.

Wouldn't it be easier to describe the various purchase methods other than at the airport gate as "save $xx by buying online," "$9 Fare Club Members save $10" (or maybe make it $9 to make it easier to remember) instead of listing separate prices for each combo?

The table on their website is a bit easier to follow, and only three or four of these scenarios will apply to most passengers. Spirit does promote their $9 Fare Club by advertising lower baggage fees.

Then again, if they made it easy to read, it would make it easier for passengers to pay the lowest fees possible...   

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 2):
I sure wouldnt want to be the agent who has to tell a pax who isnt aware of the carry-on fee that you must pay $100 for the carry-on because your at the gate.

Amen to that!
 
User avatar
IslandRob
Posts: 413
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 2:04 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:32 pm

Talk about ridiculous complexity! I'm surprised there's not a separate luggage fee breakout for dying/dead passengers. -ir
If you wrote me off I'd understand it
Because I've been on some other planet
So come pick me up, I've landed
 
roseflyer
Posts: 9606
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 9:34 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:34 pm

Does anyone else think it is outrageous that carry on bags cost more than a checked bag? The airline has zero cost incurred with a carry on bag, yet they are trying to encourage people to check baggage over carrying it on. I know that they are trying to do tight turns, but with these fees, the overhead bins are never full on Spirit flights.

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 2):


I sure wouldnt want to be the agent who has to tell a pax who isnt aware of the carry-on fee that you must pay $100 for the carry-on because your at the gate.Oh and just in time for the Thanksgiving/Christmas Holiday Rush too

Yes that is outrageous. I can totally see people not realizing their bag is a problem until the gate since Spirit is different than basically every other airline. Regardless of how much they post it online, some people are not going to notice or understand, which will result in war at the gate.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
 
SonomaFlyer
Posts: 1879
Joined: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:47 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:40 pm

Carry on bags generally weigh something so there is a cost incurred by an airline. If something has weight, that means more fuel is expended. Spirit is simply being far more aggressive in charging these fees than other airlines.
 
luv2fly
Posts: 11056
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 2:57 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Does anyone else think it is outrageous that carry on bags cost more than a checked bag? The airline has zero cost incurred with a carry on bag, yet they are trying to encourage people to check baggage over carrying it on. I know that they are trying to do tight turns, but with these fees, the overhead bins are never full on Spirit flights.

I had this same reaction when G4 announced there carry on fee.
You can cut the irony with a knife
 
threeifbyair
Posts: 939
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:44 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:51 pm

Tax arbitrage 101 - bag fees on NK (or any other airline) are not subject to the 7.5% tax on airline tickets. As long as a fee is not an essential part of the purchased air transportation (e.g., no boarding fees, seatbelt fees, etc.), the IRS does not consider it taxable.

Taking this to the extreme, NK might want to promote $1 fares and $198 in almost-impossible-to-avoid "bag" fees. A "Cell Phone Carry-On Convenience Fee" might do the trick, although enforcement might be a problem.  
 
User avatar
DocLightning
Posts: 19821
Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:51 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Yes that is outrageous. I can totally see people not realizing their bag is a problem until the gate since Spirit is different than basically every other airline. Regardless of how much they post it online, some people are not going to notice or understand, which will result in war at the gate.

The other thing is that what it means is that there is a non-advertised, non-optional fee. Unless you just happen to be in the
-Doc Lightning-

"The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day venture to the stars."
-Carl Sagan
 
ROSWELL41
Posts: 755
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:50 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 5:57 pm

The whole idea is to change consumer behavior. The excessive carry-on bags seen on other carriers slow down the boarding/deplaning process. By reducing this time, over the course of a day Spirit can increase utilization on aircraft. That in turn helps to lower the base fare. Online purchases are incentivized to reduce the amount of manpower needed at the airport to deal with 178 passengers per A320.
 
timf
Posts: 434
Joined: Wed Mar 05, 2003 8:36 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 6):
Carry on bags generally weigh something so there is a cost incurred by an airline. If something has weight, that means more fuel is expended. Spirit is simply being far more aggressive in charging these fees than other airlines.

This completely ignores the facts that:
1. Carry-on bags generally weigh much less than checked bags.
2. You don't need to pay a ticket counter agent to put a tag on the bag.
3. You don't need to pay baggage handlers to load and unload the bag.

The only justification for the fee is that passengers with carry-on bags slow down the boarding process, so by charging more they discourage people from carrying their bags on. It still defies logic though.
 
HALFA
Posts: 1027
Joined: Sun Jan 18, 2004 8:24 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:03 pm

I have never flown with NK but I am curious about something. If I went to an airport shop and bought a newspaper, something to drink, something to eat, and maybe a souvineer and they put all of my items in a bag and I then proceeded to board my NK flight, would NK consider this a carry on bag? If so, how much would I be charged?

Aloha,
HALFA
HA J Class Lie flats, coming soon to a plane near you........
 
NASBWI
Posts: 922
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:12 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:10 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):

I believe the carry on fees apply to those items that would have to be stowed in an OHB. If it's a personal item, or anything that can be stowed under the seat in front of you, then the fees don't apply. Anyone at NK care to correct me?
Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
 
RL757PVD
Posts: 2539
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 1999 2:47 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:15 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 8):
Tax arbitrage 101 - bag fees on NK (or any other airline) are not subject to the 7.5% tax on airline tickets. As long as a fee is not an essential part of the purchased air transportation (e.g., no boarding fees, seatbelt fees, etc.), the IRS does not consider it taxable.

This has been getting a lot of attention in the FAA and Airport groups lately because that tax funds airport improvements and one of these ancillary fees go to help that.

Lets use Latrobe PA for example... NK flies into there, airport grows and needs FAA money for improvements yet, an airline like NK is doing next to nothing for the airport and in reality OTHER passengers are indirectly footing the bill.

The more airline fees we see, the sooner it will be that a tax on them will be implemented and rightfully so.
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
ROSWELL41
Posts: 755
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:50 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 13):
I believe the carry on fees apply to those items that would have to be stowed in an OHB. If it's a personal item, or anything that can be stowed under the seat in front of you, then the fees don't apply. Anyone at NK care to correct me?

That is my understanding as well.
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Crew
Posts: 11864
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:25 pm

Per a little research, this seems to apply to bags in the overhead bin.
http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/spirit-...rge/story?id=11281245#.T6AoVKtYuhA

Is that the limit? Are passengers still allowed to bring on an 'item' that fits under the seat in front of them? How is a bulkhead seat handled? e.g., would a lady have to keep her purse on her lap?

When looking to travel with my children, Allergiant and Spirit cost more than competing airlines due to the nature of their *prior* bag fees. This makes the airline that much less attractive for leisure travel.

It also makes me understand why my employer will not approve Spirit for business travel. (It also has to do with fare search-ability requirements imposed on us by our customers who end up paying for the travel.)

Quoting OB1504 (Thread starter):
- $100 (airport gate purchase)

OMG. That is insane. Most passengers assume carry on bags are free. So quite quickly I expect Spirit to be hit with bad PR (lawsuit?) after hitting a decent fraction of customers with this fee. For about half of my leisure travel it would be cheaper to purchase a change of clothes/toiletries at the destination!

Quoting timf (Reply 11):
The only justification for the fee is that passengers with carry-on bags slow down the boarding process, so by charging more they discourage people from carrying their bags on. It still defies logic though.

The justification is to reduce the published fare (and associated taxes) while increasing revenue from the fee. This is to have the absolute lowest fares.

Now, I have a couple of friends and relatives who will love this. Their flights are between set destinations where they have already stashed a set of clothes, toiletries, etc.. However, these people are *incredibly* low yield customers.

I shouldn't complain. I'm not in their customer profile as 28" pitch is too far past my 'threshold of pain.' However, there will be appeal by those who do not need to carry more than a skimpy change of clothes with them.  

Lightsaber
"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
 
AWACSooner
Posts: 1791
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:35 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 6):
Spirit is simply being far more aggressive in charging these fees than other airlines.

This isn't about fees...$100 for a carry-on is EXTORTION!!!
 
OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:39 pm

I'm on my phone, so, unfortunately, I can't quote posts.

Spirit intentionally charges more for carry-on bags than checked baggage. The idea is to discourage carry-ons entirely.

If a carry-on bag makes it as far as the gate without being paid for, then technically, the agent at the ticketing area failed to do their job because these things are supposed to be caught there. On the other hand, this argument won't hold any water when used against a gate agent trying to get their flight out on time.

Items that do not exceed 16 x 14 x 12 inches are considered personal items and are free. It doesn't even matter if the bag is actually larger than that, as long as you can somehow make it fit in the sizer box. I travel win a duffel bag that's five inches too big in length, but because it's soft-sided and full of clothes, I can squeeze it into the sizer without a problem. On board, you can place your personal item in the overhead bin if you wish (I always do due to the aforementioned limited legroom), but if they run out of bin space and someone who paid for ther carry-on has no place to store it, you may be asked by the crew to remove your personal item.

Considering that I may be taxed a $100 user fee every time I take a Cessna 172 on a flying lesson (the proposal is currently for bizjets but we all know it won't stop there), I would prefer that ancillary fees be taxed in order to find the FAA and local airports. However, as I mentioned in another thread, Spirit (and other airlines) will spin it as a government assault on the customer, then turn around and pass the taxes on to the customer and business will continue as usual.
 
dellatorre
Posts: 864
Joined: Sat May 13, 2000 2:50 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:47 pm

It amazes me how so many Americans have just swallowed up these outrageous carry on fees. Good lord, how can someone even choose to fly such capitalism obsessed airline is beyond my understanding.
 
dallasnewark
Posts: 391
Joined: Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:33 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 6:51 pm

Why would anyone fly NK...... This is as bad as it gets... General public should make an example out of this company and drive them into the ground. Unfortunately there is still a segment of population that in the name of saving a couple of dollars will sell their souls...
B732/3/4/5/6/7/8/9, B742/4, B752/3,B762/3/4, B772/3, A306, A318/9/20/21, A332/3, A343/6, MD80/83/88, L1011, TU104/134, F
 
Josh32121
Posts: 237
Joined: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:02 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:07 pm

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 8):
Tax arbitrage 101 - bag fees on NK (or any other airline) are not subject to the 7.5% tax on airline tickets. As long as a fee is not an essential part of the purchased air transportation (e.g., no boarding fees, seatbelt fees, etc.), the IRS does not consider it taxable.

Taking this to the extreme, NK might want to promote $1 fares and $198 in almost-impossible-to-avoid "bag" fees. A "Cell Phone Carry-On Convenience Fee" might do the trick, although enforcement might be a problem.  

What does this have to do with anything? The customer pays the FET on anything that's taxable; it's a pass-through. The airline doesn't make any more or less money solely because any item is taxable or not.
 
Mir
Posts: 19107
Joined: Mon Jan 05, 2004 3:55 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 16):
So quite quickly I expect Spirit to be hit with bad PR (lawsuit?) after hitting a decent fraction of customers with this fee.

Which Spirit will win - they've provided appropriate notice to their passengers, and that's all they need to do from a legal standpoint. Bad PR is another matter, but what did people expect when they're paying bargain basement prices for airfares? It's difficult to have sympathy for them.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 19):
It amazes me how so many Americans have just swallowed up these outrageous carry on fees. Good lord, how can someone even choose to fly such capitalism obsessed airline is beyond my understanding.

It works for Ryanair. And no, I wouldn't fly them either (or if I did, I'd make sure that I knew what fees would apply to me, and how much extra they'd tack on to the cost of my ticket, and I'd make sure that I was actually coming out ahead).

-Mir
7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Crew
Posts: 11864
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:10 pm

I wonder if these fees will make 'travel vests' with laptop pockets popular?
http://about.pricegrabber.com/search...Roo/rd=1/skd=1&mode=about_gospain&

  

Quoting rl757pvd (Reply 14):
The more airline fees we see, the sooner it will be that a tax on them will be implemented and rightfully so.

I believe you are correct. However, until two things happen, expect fees to rise:
1. Online fare search engines allow one to pre-input preferences (e.g., checked bag) before comparing fares.
2. The fees are taxed.

Let's face it, a customer would rather pay $100 in fees than $107.50 w/taxes (or more, depending on the tax structure). The airline wants:
1. Exposure due to offering low fares.
2. The most revenue at the least customer cost.

We can complain, but the current tax rules and internet search options favor airlines that shift costs to the 'optional fees.'

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 17):
This isn't about fees...$100 for a carry-on is EXTORTION!!!

I concur. I believe PR will soon make it known. e.g., as FR's smaller allowed carry on size vs. standard regulations:
http://gospain.about.com/od/flightstospain/tp/hand_luggage.htm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
Items that do not exceed 16 x 14 x 12 inches are considered personal items and are free.

Thank you. If I fly Spirit, I'll be wearing a jacket with 'plenty in the pockets.'  
Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
but because it's soft-sided and full of clothes, I can squeeze it into the sizer without a problem.

You had better have an iron at your destination.  
Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 8):
Taking this to the extreme, NK might want to promote $1 fares and $198 in almost-impossible-to-avoid "bag" fees

   They have to be avoidable or they are essential. e.g., a student traveling with nothing more than a small item. As soon as the 'item' (e.g., a ladies purse or a small backpack) is taxed, the IRS will step in and tax the fees.

Lightsaber
"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
 
tommy767
Posts: 4658
Joined: Sat Aug 09, 2003 12:18 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:18 pm

What's next? Get charged $10 for a Y seat with GUARANTEED no stains of any kind on it?
"KEEP CLIMBING" -- DELTA
 
ROSWELL41
Posts: 755
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2001 3:50 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 19):
It amazes me how so many Americans have just swallowed up these outrageous carry on fees. Good lord, how can someone even choose to fly such capitalism obsessed airline is beyond my understanding.

As long as planes are flying safely from origin to destination, I prefer my airlines as 'capitalism obsessed' as possible. This leads to more choices for the consumer, more stable jobs for employees and return on capital for investors. Maybe if AMR, Malev and Aerolineas Argentinas for example were a little more 'capitalism obsessed' they wouldn't be in their current states.

Quoting dallasnewark (Reply 20):
Why would anyone fly NK...... This is as bad as it gets... General public should make an example out of this company and drive them into the ground. Unfortunately there is still a segment of population that in the name of saving a couple of dollars will sell their souls...

The general public is doing the exact opposite and will continue to do so. In most of the USA, the economy is not doing that well and NK is the only option many people can afford to fly. They wouldn't just buy a ticket on WN if NK didn't exist, they wouldn't go at all. Most of the 300+ million Americans are in that segment of the population you mention. Look at how prolific Walmart and Costco are in the USA.
 
dtw9
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting OB1504 (Reply 18):
However, as I mentioned in another thread, Spirit (and other airlines) will spin it as a government assault on the customer, then turn around and pass the taxes on to the customer and business will continue as usual.

Doesn't matter. You're going to pay one way or the other. If the Feds don't have the money to put into airport improvements because the airlines aren't paying taxes on baggage fees, who do you think their going to go to?You and me. All Baldanzas figured out how to do is to screw the customer out of his or hers money and the Feds out of tax dollars. I'm surprised he hasn't bought a fleet of C-17's so he can land them on any available dirt strip so he can bypass using an airport altoghether. Just think of the possibilities for him. Oh you want a concrete runway, that'll be $500 extra. Oh and a covered jetway, that'll be $200 more. So Mr customer your $9 dollar ticket with baggage, concrete runway,covered jetway,and assigned seat extras comes to $1000.
 
threeifbyair
Posts: 939
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:44 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 21):
What does this have to do with anything? The customer pays the FET on anything that's taxable; it's a pass-through. The airline doesn't make any more or less money solely because any item is taxable or not

It would only be a 100% pass-through of the tax if demand for air transportation was perfectly inelastic. We know that is not the case. Some portion of the tax is falling on the airline.
 
phxa340
Posts: 985
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2012 4:07 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:03 pm

I remember back in the day when I was getting my MBA we were taught about the value of a lifetime customer. Lifetime customers are waaay more profitable to a company than the customer that only uses you services every once and a while.

I fear that because NK is nickle and diming their customer every chance they get ... they have no long term commitment. Some of you will argue that because they are so cheap they will keep coming back but eventually you will have the majority of the customers that will say "enough, I will pay 30 bucks more and have a better experience".

Price is always going to play a very important role in choosing an airline, but ... if consumer protection laws change to include all baggage fees etc , I see NK in a very bad position for the future.
 
crosswinds21
Posts: 163
Joined: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:46 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 17):
This isn't about fees...$100 for a carry-on is EXTORTION!!!

It's not extortion. It's just a way to encourage people to pay the fee in advance and discourage them from trying to sneak a bag through the gate at the last moment claiming ignorance.
 
NASBWI
Posts: 922
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:12 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:13 pm

PHX you make good points, but as long as there is a market to support NK, they will continue to thrive. Repeat business isn't exactly what they seem to be after.
Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
 
User avatar
lightsaber
Crew
Posts: 11864
Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:55 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 28):
I remember back in the day when I was getting my MBA we were taught about the value of a lifetime customer. Lifetime customers are waaay more profitable to a company than the customer that only uses you services every once and a while.

Excellent point. I agree that Spirit has policies that inhibit that brand loyalty. However, most Americans are not brand loyal anyway. So they are trying for the short term gain.

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
Which Spirit will win

No doubt Spirit will win. I still think the $100 fee is extortion and will generate bad PR.

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
It's difficult to have sympathy for them.

If it bleeds, it leads. Half of the victims on TV don't get my sympathy. That doesn't stop hundreds of thousands of Americans from getting riled up on a story. Let's say I agree with PT Barnum on the status of the US consumer. However, really bad PR will sink a business. e.g., I know people who will still not buy Fords because of the bad press of the Pinto. Spirit is running a 'calculated risk' here. I don't think the carry on fees are a wise business strategy.

I'll be curious how this works. I'm also curious as to when the various tax authorities will look into travel fees...

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 24):
What's next? Get charged $10 for a Y seat with GUARANTEED no stains of any kind on it?

Please, don't give them ideas!  

Lightsaber
"They did not know it was impossible, so they did it!" - Mark Twain
 
BDABOY
Posts: 77
Joined: Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:19 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:29 pm

Absolute absurdity. I would expect nothing less from such a horrible airline. It had been 37 years since my first flight, and I thought I'd seen it all having travelled all over the world since. And then I tried to get on an NK flight..........
 
OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 22):
Which Spirit will win - they've provided appropriate notice to their passengers, and that's all they need to do from a legal standpoint. Bad PR is another matter, but what did people expect when they're paying bargain basement prices for airfares? It's difficult to have sympathy for them.

   Six month advance notice, and I believe that tickets purchased for travel on/after November 6th before the announcement will have the previous fees honored.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 23):
You had better have an iron at your destination.

Provided at the hotel! 
Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 25):
The general public is doing the exact opposite and will continue to do so. In most of the USA, the economy is not doing that well and NK is the only option many people can afford to fly. They wouldn't just buy a ticket on WN if NK didn't exist, they wouldn't go at all. Most of the 300+ million Americans are in that segment of the population you mention. Look at how prolific Walmart and Costco are in the USA.
Quoting dtw9 (Reply 26):
Doesn't matter. You're going to pay one way or the other. If the Feds don't have the money to put into airport improvements because the airlines aren't paying taxes on baggage fees, who do you think their going to go to?You and me.

You just restated my point about the taxes ending up being paid by the customer one way or another.

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 28):
I fear that because NK is nickle and diming their customer every chance they get ... they have no long term commitment. Some of you will argue that because they are so cheap they will keep coming back but eventually you will have the majority of the customers that will say "enough, I will pay 30 bucks more and have a better experience".

This is a valid point. My only loyalty to Spirit is in terms of cost (including fees, and they're still generally cheaper). If another airline would save me just a penny over Spirit, I'd book with them in a heartbeat. Spirit knows this and is determined to provide the absolute lowest fares possible.

Quoting PHXA340 (Reply 28):
Price is always going to play a very important role in choosing an airline, but ... if consumer protection laws change to include all baggage fees etc , I see NK in a very bad position for the future.

Then again, Spirit is far from the only airline to charge baggage fees, and I don't see how "consumer protection" would apply here if these are fees that passengers can easily get around by not taking baggage. The airlines will fight tooth and nail if Congress tries to pass a law stating that an airline ticket must include one carry-on bag and two pieces of checked luggage (for example), and I will be right behind them.
 
mogandoCI
Posts: 1247
Joined: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:39 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 24):
What's next? Get charged $10 for a Y seat with GUARANTEED no stains of any kind on it?

They'll bill you the weight for non-essential clothing.
 
OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 34):
They'll bill you the weight for non-essential clothing.

And after that, it stands to reason that they'll come after "optional" weight additions to the body, like breast implants...

But additional discounts if you remove one or more limbs prior to travel!
 
dtw9
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:42 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 31):

No doubt Spirit will win. I still think the $100 fee is extortion and will generate bad PR.

Heres a way around it. Pay the 9 bucks for the ticket. When you get where you're going stop at Walmart and spend 60 bucks on clothes. On your way to the airport to go home throw the clothes in the trash. Bingo, no baggage fees and you save 40 dollars
 
OB1504
Topic Author
Posts: 3018
Joined: Tue Jul 27, 2004 5:10 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 36):
Heres a way around it. Pay the 9 bucks for the ticket. When you get where you're going stop at Walmart and spend 60 bucks on clothes. On your way to the airport to go home throw the clothes in the trash. Bingo, no baggage fees and you save 40 dollars

   I've actually seen passengers throw away the carry-on and leave the clothes strewn about the terminal floor. They're generally donated to local thrift shops.
 
xpfg
Posts: 570
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:17 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 9:29 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 36):
Heres a way around it. Pay the 9 bucks for the ticket. When you get where you're going stop at Walmart and spend 60 bucks on clothes. On your way to the airport to go home throw the clothes in the trash. Bingo, no baggage fees and you save 40 dollars

Not really logical when you can pre-buy for as cheap as $25 online....
 
irelayer
Posts: 929
Joined: Wed Jul 06, 2005 4:34 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 9:32 pm

I'm surprised noone is discussing these new fees too, they are quite well hidden but there:

Carry on body part price list:

Body - $10
Limbs (per) - $5
Eyes (each) - $10 --> SPECIAL, Buy one get one free!
Feet (pair) - $10
Hair - $10
Scalp - $10
Misc. body parts - $1 dollar/per part
Value saver pack - $50

-IR
 
dtw9
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:09 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting xpfg (Reply 38):
Not really logical when you can pre-buy for as cheap as $25 online....

You really need to recognize humor. However even on your theory that its not logical lets do the math. Club fare member $9 ,round trip baggage fees $50= total $59. Buy $60 worth of clothes and throw them out. Put your socks and underwear in your pockets.( No need to worry about the smell, Spirits aircraft are filthy anyways, and also a good way to get even with the TSA when they ask you to empty your pockets) No carry on bag to buy. No suitcase to buy. No clothes to wash when you get home. I say it's more than logical

[Edited 2012-05-01 14:59:37]
 
boeingpride800
Posts: 391
Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 10:05 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 10:18 pm

Are you kidding me? When is this airline going to stop with the ancillary charges! All these fees probably add up to where flying on an LCC makes no difference than flying a legacy these days.

Wow..
 
User avatar
stasisLAX
Posts: 2924
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:04 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 10:32 pm

Quoting ROSWELL41 (Reply 10):
The whole idea is to change consumer behavior. The excessive carry-on bags seen on other carriers slow down the boarding/deplaning process. By reducing this time, over the course of a day Spirit can increase utilization on aircraft. That in turn helps to lower the base fare. Online purchases are incentivized to reduce the amount of manpower needed at the airport to deal with 178 passengers per A320.

Spirit should give (low cost!) muscle relaxants to passengers to deal with the 28 inch seat pitch on those A320s - and surly ticket and gate agents that enforce the airlines draconian regulations. Having flew NK roundtrip from LAX to DTW and later LAX to TPA roundtrip, I can attest to their complete lack of passenger focus and their complete and utter attention to additional charges whenever that opportunity presents itself. Yes, Spirit airfare was cheap. No, the experience wasn't worth the cheap fare. Next trip to Detroit and Tampa, I flew US via PHX - which was a HUGE improvement in service. By the way, my coworkers and I referred to Spirit as "Spit" Airlines, because they treat you like that.

Quoting AWACSooner (Reply 17):
This isn't about fees...$100 for a carry-on is EXTORTION!!!

  
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
 
User avatar
kgaiflyer
Posts: 2589
Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:22 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 10:47 pm

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 5):
Does anyone else think it is outrageous that carry on bags cost more than a checked bag?

Flying IAD-SFO last week (on UA-572) we had people bringing oversize rollers and huge duffles up the aisle. I agree that carry on is getting way out of control and that passengers will bring aboard anything they think they can get away with.
 
AWACSooner
Posts: 1791
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:35 am

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 43):
I agree that carry on is getting way out of control and that passengers will bring aboard anything they think they can get away with.

And have you noticed that it's gotten this bad ever since the legacies and whatnot started charging for the first bag? Hmmm...once you start down that slippery slope....

Irritated at the airlines for this carry-on madness? How about BLAMING THEM!!! And it's also most of the consumers' fault for continuing to tolerate this BS!
 
Bobloblaw
Posts: 1680
Joined: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:15 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 11:16 pm

If you make a connection do you have to pay 2x for a carryon?
 
Calibansa333
Posts: 100
Joined: Sat Sep 12, 2009 5:15 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 11:17 pm

Hmmm, Hopefully other airlines choose NOT to follow this path.
 
xpfg
Posts: 570
Joined: Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:17 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 11:33 pm

Quoting dtw9 (Reply 40):
You really need to recognize humor.

I recognize humor quite well, and there was nothing significant that indicated you were utilizing such. It's further exemplified by your attempted justification of "logical" buys.

Each person is different I suppose, but sometimes $60 of Wal Mart clothes just doesn't do it. It will work for some, but I don't think the majority would assume to take your position if asked in an audience poll. $50 is less than $60. Simple math. It may change a bit for those that are not in the $9 club, but even then I can't say that heading to Wal Mart as the first check off on the start to my vacation would be something I would look forward to vs the (possibly more OR less) expenditure of checking/paying the carry-on fees.

[Edited 2012-05-01 16:35:32]
 
olddominion727
Posts: 420
Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:16 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Tue May 01, 2012 11:53 pm

Anyone remember skybus? I hope spirit is next
 
User avatar
airportugal310
Posts: 3217
Joined: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:49 pm

RE: Spirit Airlines Announces New Bag Fees, Eff 06NOV

Wed May 02, 2012 12:11 am

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 48):

Why would you hope a company goes out of business? Do we not have enough unemployment as it is?
I sell airplanes and airplane accessories