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Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 5:03 am

The CEO of Norwegian DY, Mr. Bjørn Kjos is clear that the new long routes to Bangkok and New York will have its Scandinavian base in Oslo or Stockholm. The routes from Copenhagen will come later.

He is also equally clear that the bases for the aircraft is in Bangkok, and perhaps even New York.

Moreover, the company is in the process of establishing agreements with Asian and US airlines to be able to take passengers on from New York and Bangkok.

- The agreements are not made yet, but they are low cost airlines, says Kjos

http://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Klart-for-billettsalg-6819100.html


In a different thread from yesterday, I posted that Norwegian is seeking an adittional 10 Dreamliners and that a deal might be around the corner in the weeks to come:

Rumour Of New Deal For B787 For Norwegian DY (by Mortyman May 2 2012 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 6:25 am

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
He is also equally clear that the bases for the aircraft is in Bangkok, and perhaps even New York.

I wonder how he can base the planes in the U.S? How will the foreign ownership rule kick in? I can see some challanges basing the longhaul out of end destinations, but Kjos seems to know what he is doing.

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
- The agreements are not made yet, but they are low cost airlines, says Kjos

From JFK, the best low cost option would be JetBlue perhaps? In Bangkok maybe AirAsia?

Some time ago, Kjos said the longhaul planes would be a different airlines than DY. Is this still the plan, or do they plan to keep it within the same airline?
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 9:39 am

I guess any EU airline can technically base airplanes in the US and have US employees flying on these flights as long as they only serve the European Union. It is most probably cheaper to have some US and Thai crews on these flights than to have Norwegian or Swedish crews and given they plan to be serving multiple destinations from both cities on a constant basis, it is most probably just as flexible as having them based in OSL or ARN.
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 2:11 pm

Quoting Thomas_Jaeger (Reply 2):
It is most probably cheaper to have some US and Thai crews on these flights than to have Norwegian or Swedish crews

I for one am happy, Thai crews are generally better than European crews! Although, US crews aren't much to talk about...

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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 4:55 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 1):
Some time ago, Kjos said the longhaul planes would be a different airlines than DY. Is this still the plan, or do they plan to keep it within the same airline?

At the Brønnøysund register in Norway ( register for all companies in Norway ), there are these two registered:

NORWEGIAN AIR SHUTTLE ASA

and

NORWEGIAN LONG HAUL AS
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 6:07 pm

Still don't understand the allure of BKK to Northern European and Russians. Are they out of places in the Caribbean , Mediterranean, and Gulf to go the beach ?
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 7:26 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
Are they out of places in the Caribbean , Mediterranean, and Gulf to go the beach ?

from Sweden Thailand is a winter destination.
It is cheaper than the Caribbean, and about the same distance.
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 7:53 pm

Maybe they shall first start to take part of other BSP markets than Nordic countries before starting such things  
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 5):
Still don't understand the allure of BKK to Northern European and Russians. Are they out of places in the Caribbean , Mediterranean, and Gulf to go the beach ?

You are being ironic aren't you?
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 8:30 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans

From my point of view DY should consider GIG as a future destinasjon because this city is a mixture of a metropolis and beach paradise
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Thu May 03, 2012 8:37 pm

Jetblue in NY and Bangkok Air in Bangkok?

Great stuff, can't wait to see them here in CPH!

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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Fri May 04, 2012 4:52 am

Quoting reifel (Reply 7):
BSP

What is BSP ?
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Fri May 04, 2012 8:57 pm

Quoting windshear (Reply 10):
and Bangkok Air in Bangkok?

Well, PG is not a LCC ...
Since Kjos said "they" are LCC´s I suspect PG is not in the game.
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
What is BSP ?

BSP is the IATA Billing and settlement plan.
Basically, i.e. for BSP Germany, there are thousands of airlines and hundreds of airlines participating. Imagine each single agent needing to send money to each single airline in the world (i.e. somewhere in Africa) for tickets issued. Absolutely unpractical. To explain it quite basically, each German travel agent will receive a big invoice at the beginning of the month with all flight tickets issued for airlines member of the BSP Germany. And they will pay everything in one single sum on a german bank account of BSP. BSP will then transmit the money to the airlines involved. But for that the airline needs to be part of BSP Germany.

Most airlines do, but DY doesn't. They only take part of Nordic countries BSP. This means that a i.e. Swedish travel agent can book and issue tickets for DY in their GDS (reservation system), however countries out of the nordic ones (this can be spain, Germany, France, basically everywhere outside where DY also flies) can't. Of course, people could still go online and book directly on their website and pay there, but in Europe this is often not done and not always practical for travel agents.

My point is - now that DY will start longhaul - it would be more and more important that i.e. US agents can also sell a DY ticket, or that i.e. a Spanish agent could sell a DY ticket BCN-OSL-NYC... Which they can't through the BSP at the moment.

That said they're plannifiying to join other BSPs, but they are telling this since 2008 or so, so nobody really believes them concerning this anymore...

There are also other options that could be practical, but which are also not used. i.e. working together with another airline to use their ticket stocks. i.e. DY could cooperate with let's say LH and allow agents to issue DY flights on a LH ticket. Then the agent will be able to issue DY flights in every country where LH is a BSP member (which is basically everywhere in the world), and LH will invoice this to DY seperately in a second step. LH is just an exemple, and a bad one. Practically there are airlines specialized in this, especially Hahn Air (HR), which is officially an airline (I guess they even sell a 2 weekly flight from DUS to LUX on a Beech or something), but their main business is to allow a tons of exotic airlines, i.e. in Russia and Africa, to be issued on HR stock and thus allowing these little airlines not to bring all the requirements to join BSP themselves, but nevertheless be bookable through the GDS all around the world.

[Edited 2012-05-05 03:21:03]
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 11:36 am

Is there, as of yet, a guesstimate of when the first OSL-NYC DY-aicraft will depart?
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 1:01 pm

Quoting Pelle (Reply 14):
Is there, as of yet, a guesstimate of when the first OSL-NYC DY-aicraft will depart?

If everything goes after Boeing's deliveryplan, the first B787 in Norwegian DY livery will be handed over at the end of 2012. It will be deployed on their network most likely in 1q 2013.
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 2:37 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 15):

If everything goes after Boeing's deliveryplan, the first B787 in Norwegian DY livery will be handed over at the end of 2012. It will be deployed on their network most likely in 1q 2013.

Not sure where you're getting you infomation from but DY is saying first delivery in 2013 in all their presentations lately
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
He is also equally clear that the bases for the aircraft is in Bangkok

Translation=I don't have to pay Norwegian labor rates for both crew and cabin.

Just sayin'.
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sat May 05, 2012 11:05 pm

'''''''''''''posted wrong''''''''''''

[Edited 2012-05-05 16:06:38]
 
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RE: Norwegian DY Longhaul Plans ( Uppdate )

Sun May 06, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 9):

From my point of view DY should consider GIG as a future destinasjon because this city is a mixture of a metropolis and beach paradise

With lots and lots of norwegian money invested and many nordic companies based there.
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