Pe@rson
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Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 4:44 pm

From TheHUBroutes, a part of routesonline, WW will cease all routes from BHD, 7 from EMA, and 2 from BHX.

Surely not a coincidence that BE yesterday announced a new EMA base with two aircraft and five routes (AMS, CDG, EDI, GLA, JER) - all presently operated by WW. Or that MON has announced a new EMA base.

Hopefully more details soon...

Source: http://twitter.com/#!/TheHUBRoutes?partner=linkedin

[Edited 2012-05-03 09:44:38]
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 4:55 pm

It's going around on twitter that WW will completely cease operations from September.  
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 5:16 pm

More info from BBC. Looks like June 11 is the key date.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17940862

Coincidentally, I'm scheduled to fly BHX-AMS on WW on June 11, and return on the 13th.

Cheers,

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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 5:40 pm

http://www.bmibaby.com/bmibaby/faqs/important_information.aspx

From 11h June, these routes will won't operate:

BHD-ALC; AMS; BHX; EMA; FAO; IBZ; MAH; AGP; PMI; STN.

BHX-AMS; BHD; NOK.

EMA-AMS; BHD; EDI; GVA; GLA; NQY; NCE; CDG.

A number of routes will also cease on the 8th or 9th Sept, although they look very summer-seasonal anyway - or is that the end?!
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:23 pm

Monarch have just announced that they will increase frequencies at BHX and start BHX - BCN and start:
EMA - AGP
EMA - ALC
EMA - PMI
EMA - FAO

http://www.monarch.co.uk/news/flight...and-operations-across-the-midlands
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:24 pm

Unfortunately, it looks like it will be the end.

Sad to see; Baby has been around for 10 years; they were good to fly with, (mostly) good value (and a hell of a lot better value than Flybe) ... they'll certainly be missed, particularly down here in Jersey.

It'll be interesting to see who will expand first at EMA; I hadn't known that MON had opened a base there, but I can imaginee that even at this moment, FR and U2 are planning route announcements ... just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 3):

BMIbaby is no longer from September  
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
baby is no longer from September

Seems so!

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!

I'd like to see that, too, especially given some impressively low fares with EZY to JER. E.g. I've paid £12.99 or thereabouts one-way incl. taxes for LPL-JER and I saw last week JER-SEN for £8.99 one-way incl taxes. Alas, I don't think they'll operate EMA-JER. (I remember when EZY flew LTN-JER. I paid around £10 one-way incl. taxes then.)
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:44 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 5):
just hoping that EMA-JER is on U2's radar!

Same here.

EasyJet is on record as saying it is considering more routes from Jersey and if the airline was to return to East Midlands I am sure it would be a route that the local authorities would actively try and pursue.

That's not to say that Flybe isn't welcome on the route, but East Midlands to Jersey is a long served and well established route. In order to maintain and encourage demand, particularly for tourism, then an airline like easyJet or Jet2 is much better suited. I have similar feelings about Manchester to Jersey, which is now flown by BE and SI.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 6:44 pm

This has got BA's horrible finger-prints to it. With the Flybe EMA announcement and all.
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 7:01 pm

Horrible news! I had so many great flights with them from PRG to MAN, route which they ceased to operate a year ago. They still fly to EMA and BHX though from PRG. Will those routes be cut too?

I hope WW survives, its a really nice LCC to fly with, the crews were always excelent and flights on-time  

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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 7:13 pm

I am really sad about this    I was hoping that someone would step in and save WW, but it seems not. The only good news for me is that we will see Monarch at EMA for the first time I think.

Thank you WW for some brilliant flights. I have always had brilliant crew and wonderful flights. You will be missed!!!!
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 10):
They still fly to EMA and BHX though from PRG. Will those routes be cut too?

Yes, BMI Baby will be no more.
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 7:27 pm

Very pleased Monarch are moving in on EMA. Excellent airline and I am sure they'll do the routes justice. FlyBe on the other hand I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. Over priced and one would think, utilising props, that the lower costs would be reflected in the fares but not so... from what I have experienced.

It's sad Baby couldn't make it work. I had the chance to fly them in their first year of operation and then a few years later, several times. A great airline but there was something fundamentally wrong with it. Be its inability to compete with Ryanair or Easyjet or just maintain its head above water... I'm sad, and also angry that whoever is to blame for the lack luster performance, has stood by and watched the airline hemorrhage millions.

A sad end but hopefully one that will result in more routes and more variety in terms of aircraft type for routes in and out of EMA.

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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 7:34 pm

Ryanair has already responded with rescue fares.

All pax affected from BHD, can now rebook with Ryanair to fly from Londonderry or Dublin.
Pax affected from BHX, can rebook with Ryanair to fly from East Midlands.

The rescue fare is GBP 29.99 per flight. Not too bad. The summer flights are quite expensive already.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 8:06 pm

Good old Ryaniar, coming to the rescue again!!!  
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 8:09 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17940539

BMI Baby, the budget airline, will be grounded from September, with some routes being stopped from next month, owner IAG has announced.

looks like its bye bye babdy!   

but good luck Flybe
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 8:58 pm

Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 9):
BA's horrible finger-prints to it.

I'm sure you mean LH's horrible finger prints?

They are the one's who failed to invest and who dragged staff through the ever increasing changes in bases etc.

BA have made it clear that it is sell up or shut -up. Hardly their fault since they have managed baby for all of - oh - 14 days.
LH had 10 years?

Bit of proportion here, please.
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 8:59 pm

MCO2BRS

So how are you getting back?.

On a general level, how much impact will this have at BHD?.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 18):
On a general level, how much impact will this have at BHD?.

Will it become an exclusive airport for Flybe?
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting emalad (Reply 19):
Quoting bennett123 (Reply 18):
On a general level, how much impact will this have at BHD?.

Will it become an exclusive airport for Flybe?

All FlyBE + BMI/BA to LHR. There are also a couple of flights to IOM and ORK I believe?

It's a shame.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Thu May 03, 2012 11:19 pm

A sad day for all at WW and EMA, ''SCREW BA / IAG and LH !! never gave baby the chance to stand older then a baby!! Ryanair and flybe will now expand like mad to fill the gaps. tho regional is still up in the air -       it was fun working with you! all the best to all the great staff!
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 3:42 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 18):

MCO2BRS

So how are you getting back?.

I just won't travel and spend my birthday in the UK for once. Considering I only paid something silly like £40 r/t its not a huge loss, and I inexplicably hesitated on booking accommodation for my trip, so I've not lost anything else. I'll probably go else where later in the summer, might try LH's new BHX-BER route  

This should all make for some interesting conversation in the FR crew room at BHX this morning.

Cheers,

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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 4:15 am

Quoting MCO2BRS (Reply 22):
I just won't travel and spend my birthday in the UK for once. Considering I only paid something silly like £40 r/t its not a huge loss, and I inexplicably hesitated on booking accommodation for my trip, so I've not lost anything else.

THEY'VE cancelled the flight - surely you'd get a full refund and you shouldn't lose anything???
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 8:03 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 21):
never gave baby the chance to stand older then a baby!!

The carrier was 10 years old - so hardly a baby - and lost £120m over the past 4 years.
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:23 am

In my opinion WW was still the best LCC to travel on. All the best to the crew and staff at EMA. You will be missed, especially by my 6 year old daughter who get excited whenever she sees 'baby' before the weather, or if we nip down to EMA to do some spotting.   
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:25 am

Quoting emalad (Reply 25):
In my opinion WW was still the best LCC to travel on

I wonder if there is a correlation between perceived 'best LCC' and financial performance.   

Quoting emalad (Reply 25):
6 year old daughter who get excited whenever she sees 'baby' before the weather, or if we nip down to EMA to do some spotting.

Sounds cute. My two-year-old son enjoys pointing at aircraft.
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 10:14 am

Quoting emalad (Reply 19):
Will it become an exclusive airport for Flybe?

I really hope not, I hope Ryanair come back into BHD to fill the gap. With BMI Baby closing all operations at BHD will certainly have a huge impact on jobs and passenger options.
A Flybe monopoly at BHD will not be good!!!!
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 11:39 am

FR wont be back at BHD until the runway is extended as per the existing agreement to disagree.

Interesting to see if FR can expand for the summer in the affected locations.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Fri May 04, 2012 7:42 pm

Quoting viscount630 (Reply 23):
THEY'VE cancelled the flight - surely you'd get a full refund and you shouldn't lose anything???

What I meant by that, is I haven't lost out on hotel costs. I've already had the email through saying they've cancelled my reservation. I'm well aware I'll be receiving a full refund. KL on the same dates are £178.05. I certainly won't be rebooking with them (as much as I love KL, it was only supposed to be an uber-cheap couple of days away).

I hope all those impacted by the shutdown of WW are able to find new positions with other companies relatively quickly.

Cheers,

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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Sat May 05, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Quoting santos (Reply 4):
Quoting downtown273 (Reply 14):

Jet2 have also announced extra routes from EMA from next year, though looking at the new list compared to the current WW list it would appear that it's a mixture of new and existing ones...

http://www.jet2.com/News/Two_Years_o...ourages_Jet2_com_Flight_Expansion/

It's a shame that WW is shutting down, I reckon that it could have been a nice addition to LS seeing as (apart from BHX) they have bases in the same cities and have the same aircraft (apart from the 735s). I've never flown with them as such but a bit of competition on short-haul routes is no bad thing, and I hope that all the staff can find suitable new employment elsewhere in the industry.
 
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RE: Bmibaby Cuts All From BHD, 7 From EMA, 2 From BHX?

Sat May 05, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting Reply 17):
Quoting vegetables2001 (Reply 9):
BA's horrible finger-prints to it.

I'm sure you mean LH's horrible finger prints?

They are the one's who failed to invest and who dragged staff through the ever increasing changes in bases etc.

BA have made it clear that it is sell up or shut -up. Hardly their fault since they have managed baby for all of - oh - 14 days.
LH had 10 years?

Bit of proportion here, please.

Agreed. At the end of the day, LH had been trying to seek a buyer for WW for several months before the deal was completed, and it was even made clear when the deal was first announced that IAG had no plans for WW (or bmi Regional)...

"bmi regional and bmibaby are not part of our plans and Lufthansa has the option to sell them before completion". Willie Walsh

http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...-newsArticle&ID=1642163&highlight=

And as we know no buyer could be found. As I said in my last post it's a shame that WW will soon be no more, but IAG are merely acting on what they said and agree that LH could have done something with WW when they owned all of bmi to make it profitable and competitive, but they didn't.

I'll leave it to others to decide whether the morality of this is correct, but that's business and it's good to see that in the short-term most passengers aren't being left high and dry with other airlines stepping in to fill the breach.

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