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QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Thu May 03, 2012 11:04 pm

http://www.theage.com.au/business/qa...ending-by-400m-20120504-1y2ln.html

Quote:
Qantas delays A380 deliveries to cut spending by $400m

Qantas will cut spending by a further $400 million next financial year by delaying delivery of new A380 aircraft.
A review of the airline's maintenance operations had concluded, but a decision would not be announced until mid-May, Qantas said in a statement today.
The reduction cuts the carrier's planned expenditure on equipment in 2012-13 to $1.9 billion.
Qantas was to receive two new super jumbo A380s in early 2013, but will now take delivery of the aircraft in the 2016/17 financial year.
Another six A380s will be delivered to Qantas from 2018/19.

see link for rest of the article.

If the headline is correct, I guess it's now a lot clearer how much QF have purchased their A380s for (on a unit basis).

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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Thu May 03, 2012 11:14 pm

Even though I am a big A380 fan, I think it is great, to see that the SYD-DFW route, is be handle by the last PA Clipper.
 
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Thu May 03, 2012 11:28 pm

There are release and presentations on the ASX website.

Also from the article;

"It will also bring back Boeing 747s on its Sydney-to-Perth route, plus more Airbus A330s on the Melbourne to Perth route."

He must now be keeping more 744's in the fleet. There is now way he can keep this schedule up, plus do SYD-PER, unless he does. So I wonder if we will see an announcement of more 744's to under-go the interior modification or whether maybe some early 787's will replace older 744's in QF mainline colours rather than go to Jetstar?
 
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Thu May 03, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 2):
"It will also bring back Boeing 747s on its Sydney-to-Perth route, plus more Airbus A330s on the Melbourne to Perth route."

Did not they just announce that they were getting rid of the 747s on SYD-PER? Seems a bit of a flip-flop strategy to me.
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Thu May 03, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 1):

Even though I am a big A380 fan, I think it is great, to see that the SYD-DFW route, is be handle by the last PA Clipper.


I'm a little confused, what do you mean " handled by the last PA clipper"
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 12:07 am

So no new A-tree-80 routes for QF. I'd imagine that HKG will increase possibly to daily with OQA now back.

With the deferment I wonder if QF plans to keep on an extra 2 744s now?
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Fri May 04, 2012 12:10 am

Quoting legacyins (Reply 4):
I'm a little confused, what do you mean " handled by the last PA clipper"





Well, the 747, was the last plane that Boeing design for Pan Am, from Juan Tripp special order. The 747 has a very prestigious blood line, which it shares with the Boeing 317 ( flying boat ), 307, 377 and 707. All these Clippers, are four engines powered, all are Boeing built, all was design for Pan Am and Juan Tripp. So the 747, has a truly amazing heritage, and it is great, to see an great airline like QF, ( well still great in my eyes) still using this great plane on one of their longest routes.
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 12:31 am

The 747 was not really designed for PA. Boeing knew airlines such as QF, BA (BOAC), AF etc had the demand/interest for such a plane. PA was just one of many
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 3):
Did not they just announce that they were getting rid of the 747s on SYD-PER? Seems a bit of a flip-flop strategy to me.

I don't think there was an announcement as such, just a quiet substitution happening in May to allow retirement of the 744's. With that now not happening that means at least 1 744 won't now be retired from the QF fleet. As I said in another thread QF will be short on 744 capacity even to maintain its current International network. So more than the 9 744's being refurbished must be sticking around.

I wonder if QF will keep some of the earlier 744's in older the 3 class configurations around while focusing on retiring the 4 class 744's?
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 12:37 am

So does this illustrate the point that it is not always about how much more efficient a new frame is but the cost of financing of the new frame must always be considered, is QF attempting to replace the NWDC9 weekly threads 
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 12:45 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 2):
r whether maybe some early 787's will replace older 744's in QF mainline colours rather than go to Jetstar?

I thought they'd announced last year that some of the early 787s would got to mainline rather than all to Jet*?
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting kent350787 (Reply 10):

I thought they'd announced last year that some of the early 787s would got to mainline rather than all to Jet*?

Did they? If so I didn't see it. I would be very interested if you could find the reference.

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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 11):
Did they? If so I didn't see it. I would be very interested if you could find the reference.

Me neither. I was sure the official line was that they were going to JetStar albeit that they were 'considering every possibility' - or something along those lines.

Quoting par13del (Reply 9):
is QF attempting to replace the NWDC9 weekly threads

Haha out of interest are any other "majors" planning on keeping 747s beyond 2020? Admittedly the 74Es in QF's fleet are quite young compared to many other airline's frames.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
I don't think there was an announcement as such

I think it was announced, but quietly slipped into the announcement re LHR and AKL-LAX.

Quoting tayser (Thread starter):
If the headline is correct, I guess it's now a lot clearer how much QF have purchased their A380s for

Not necessarily. They will probably pay (potentially significant) penalties for the deferment, unless they can convince Airbus to waive it in lieu of more compensation for Nancy or a big A320 order.
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 2:26 am

Maybe with all the domestic competition QF will put the 788 straight into domestic service to try and outdo DJ's new product. After all that's where QF claim their profit comes from.

Isn't it a waste of money removing the 744 from SYD-PER, only to re-instate it shortly after? And where will the extra domestic A330's come from?
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 2:29 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):
Isn't it a waste of money removing the 744 from SYD-PER, only to re-instate it shortly after?

I'm sure it's just a matter of scheduling. Can't imagine there's any cost associated with it.
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 2:35 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12):
Haha out of interest are any other "majors" planning on keeping 747s beyond 2020? Admittedly the 74Es in QF's fleet are quite young compared to many other airline's frames.

I would be surprised, and even though they are relatively young now, they won't be so in 2020!
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 2:37 am

Although they save on costs, what do they loose in revenue?

The only logical explanation I can think of is that further 380's cannot be used profitably in the near future, otherwise Qantas would take them

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Fri May 04, 2012 2:38 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):
Isn't it a waste of money removing the 744 from SYD-PER, only to re-instate it shortly after? And where will the extra domestic A330's come from?

The SYD-PER route. You'll note that they only said MEL-PER would be getting additonal A330 service so it makes sense for them to take the A333 that was operating some SYD-PER and stick it on MEL-PER instead.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 11):
Did they? If so I didn't see it. I would be very interested if you could find the reference.

The last presentation they made said that the 787's would be allocated based on where the best return was. Now the best return on an aircraft could be made by swapping an old 744 with a new 787. So it could be that some 787's make it into QF mainline earlier than we expect.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 12):
Not necessarily. They will probably pay (potentially significant) penalties for the deferment, unless they can convince Airbus to waive it in lieu of more compensation for Nancy or a big A320 order.

I think they've done their big A320 order and I'd not be surprised if part of that was allowing for further A380 deferments. Still, I would have thought QF could have used these 2 A380's on schedule but obviously AJ has another plan in mind.
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 2:40 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 15):
I would be surprised, and even though they are relatively young now, they won't be so in 2020!

They're likely low cycle though, no?
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 2:46 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 16):
The only logical explanation I can think of is that further 380's cannot be used profitably in the near future, otherwise Qantas would take them

It's not quite that simple. While not all the details are public we do know QF have a capital expenditure crisis, AJ said so. Therefore given the limited capital expenditure available it may be that QF would make more money by concentrating resources into the domestic market, so B787 get put into domestic service earlier than expected and don't get deferred and A380s get deferred and NOT put into the international market.

So it could be that the A380s could be used profitably, but B788 can be used more profitably and because of the capital expenditure limits QF can't have both at this time.

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Fri May 04, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 19):
It's not quite that simple.

Yes I agree.
Maybe Qantas has used the financing they arranged for the 380's to get Jetstar Japan flying?
Pure speculation.

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Fri May 04, 2012 2:53 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 16):

Well, there's the financing aspect of it as well.

They could bring the new aircraft in, but it might require QF to go to the markets for additional finance. In the current climate the cost of money might be a little too high.

I suspect there are a combination of factors contributing to delaying delivery. Four years seems to be a long time though!

Has the success of Virgin Australia internationally impacted QF's plans?
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 2:55 am

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 20):
Maybe Qantas has used the financing they arranged for the 380's to get Jetstar Japan flying?

Or maybe a fleet of flying unicorns   

Seriously, QF couldn't use financing secured for an aircraft (which - presumably - would have that aircraft named as collateral) for anything else.
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Fri May 04, 2012 3:46 am

This is a bit of a shock. Doesn't this mean that 744s will be making a stop in BNE from DFW for years to come, as well as probable under capacity on that route?

Is the outlook for the airline industry really so bleak that they shouldn't be buying what is the most efficient aircraft available? Clearly not if they can get the money for Jetstar Japan.

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Fri May 04, 2012 3:54 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):

I'm pretty certain the scheduling of aircraft doesn't ware any additional cost... The only issues I would say revolve around crew scheduling...

This 4 year delay certainly is a shock considering QF deferred the last 6 frames and now delay another 2...

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Fri May 04, 2012 4:20 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
Is the outlook for the airline industry really so bleak that they shouldn't be buying what is the most efficient aircraft available? Clearly not if they can get the money for Jetstar Japan.

It's the balance between operating costs (efficiency) and capital costs. I thought the Jetstar Japan capital costs were rather low (a few A320s which they can shuffle between the existing Jetstars), a joint venture and perhaps they can access different sources for it (Japanese banks?).
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Fri May 04, 2012 4:31 am

I guess this gives QF the option if they do release a extended version or something else within the next 5-10yrs.

I guess til then to fill the gap for the old 744's they will order (6-10) 748's.
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Fri May 04, 2012 4:44 am

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 26):

Hopefully the delay would mean introduction of the A389 which is due in 2020...

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Fri May 04, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 21):
suspect there are a combination of factors contributing to delaying delivery. Four years seems to be a long time though!

Well they did put off the final 6 A380's for 8 odd years.

Quoting travelhound (Reply 21):
Has the success of Virgin Australia internationally impacted QF's plans?

I wouldn't have thought so. This is more about them trimming capex back a bit. Even with the A380 deferrals they will still be committed to $1.9 billion of capex in 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. That's alot of $$$ in any market.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 20):
Maybe Qantas has used the financing they arranged for the 380's to get Jetstar Japan flying?

The A320's are all leased financed so I very much doubt that.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 27):
Hopefully the delay would mean introduction of the A389 which is due in 2020...

That's the announcement I'm waiting for and would make logical sense for the final 6 A380's. But I guess they will decide that further down the track.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 24):
This 4 year delay certainly is a shock considering QF deferred the last 6 frames and now delay another 2

Realistically it reinforces what I, and some others, have always suspected which is that QF erred when they exercised their options for the last 8 A380's. They would have been better off replacing the remaining 744's with a combination of 787's, 777's or A350's and not have committed to the number that they have.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
Doesn't this mean that 744s will be making a stop in BNE from DFW for years to come, as well as probable under capacity on that route?

Actually no. If anything this reinforces what Alan Joyce said a little while ago about DFW being an ideal 787 route. Sure it's a drop in capacity but could be made up for by an increase in frequency. I'd say this makes DFW even more of a candidate for QF mainlines first ULH 787 route.
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 28):
If anything this reinforces what Alan Joyce said a little while ago about DFW being an ideal 787 route. Sure it's a drop in capacity but could be made up for by an increase in frequency. I'd say this makes DFW even more of a candidate for QF mainlines first ULH 787 route.

When will the 787s reach QF mainline? I guess I am assuming the DFW route won't go to JQ, but I think that is a reasonable assumption. I'd also assume that the DFW route won't be the first one the 787s are used on.

I imagine if that is the equipment they will use, there will be a BNE-DFW flight as well as a SYD-DFW flight. What about MEL-DFW? The latter would likely be beyond the 788 and even the 789 might take restrictions.
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 28):
Well they did put off the final 6 A380's for 8 odd years.

Not quite. The 6 frames deferred to 2019/20 were 2014-2016 deliveries, so the deferment was only 4-5 years...

Anyway, this is disturbing news... There will have to be further route cuts to absorb this contraction in capacity, my prediction is FRA, with the night landing restrictions getting the blame. Perhaps we could also see early returned JQ A332's going to international, with a shift to 744 flying into PER to retire 767's??
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 6:39 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 30):
Anyway, this is disturbing news... There will have to be further route cuts to absorb this contraction in capacity, my prediction is FRA, with the night landing restrictions getting the blame. Perhaps we could also see early returned JQ A332's going to international, with a shift to 744 flying into PER to retire 767's??

Disturbing indeed...

Dropping the SYD-SIN-FRA route certainly would mean a end of an era for QF in Europe with the UK only sole remaining route in their network connecting to the UK / Europe... Let's hope your predictions aren't true...

We can now only assume QF have seen the light and realise an aircraft is needed to fill the gap between the A330 and A380 once the B744 fleet is retired in 2020...?

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Fri May 04, 2012 6:52 am

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 13):

Isn't it a waste of money removing the 744 from SYD-PER, only to re-instate it shortly after?

The 744 has not been removed from SYD-PER. OJD has been flying on 581/582 for the last 3 months. It was announced that the 744 would be removed from SYD-PER but that hasn't happened (yet).
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 6:56 am

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 8):
As I said in another thread QF will be short on 744 capacity even to maintain its current International network. So more than the 9 744's being refurbished must be sticking around.

The other alternative is that QF intend to further contract their loss making international operations and wont need to maintain/increase capacity.

Quoting Ruscoe (Reply 16):
The only logical explanation I can think of is that further 380's cannot be used profitably in the near future, otherwise Qantas would take them

I remember the 380's were originally going to be financed by existing cash flows - very healthy 5 to 10 years ago but not now (not for international at least).

Quoting EK413 (Reply 24):
This 4 year delay certainly is a shock considering QF deferred the last 6 frames and now delay another 2...

I think this confirms that QF are loosing interest in international long haul and want to concentrate on the Asian region.


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Fri May 04, 2012 7:04 am

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 33):
I think this confirms that QF are loosing interest in international long haul and want to concentrate on the Asian region.

Under which brand though...? QF, JQ or Red Q...?

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Fri May 04, 2012 7:06 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 30):
Anyway, this is disturbing news... There will have to be further route cuts to absorb this contraction in capacity, my prediction is FRA, with the night landing restrictions getting the blame. Perhaps we could also see early returned JQ A332's going to international, with a shift to 744 flying into PER to retire 767's??

I've just finished readying this;

http://www.4-traders.com/QANTAS-AIRW...rie-Australia-Conference-14312173/

There is a significant paragraph re the 744's;

"In the air, we have 12 Airbus A380s and 25 Boeing 747s, nine of which are in the process of being fitted with our award winning A380 kit and six of which are soon entering retirement."

So we have a total of 25 at the moment with 6 heading for retirement = 19 units remaining. 9 of those will be fited with the A380 interior in a 3 class configuration. We know that;

- New Interior - will be 6 x 744ER plus VH-OJS, OJT and OJU. So what does that leave?
- Retirements - VJ-OJB, VH-OJN and VH-OJO.
- 2 class 744's - VJ-OJD
- 3 class 744's - VH-OJA, OJC, OJE, OJI and OJJ
- 4 class 744's - VH-OJF, OJG, OJH, OJL, OJM, OJP, OJQ, OEB

So out of the 10 other 744's remaining in the QF fleet for the time being I'd not be surprised to see the 2 class 744 and the 5, 3 class 744's stay while they pare back the remaining 4 class 744's.

With the re-fited 744's and assuming they keep the existing 2 class and 3 class birds in the fleet that would see only 3 4 class 744's left to fill the gaps. That's more than sufficient to cover the network.
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 7:12 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 29):

The issue isn't 5 years down the track once the 787's have landed at mainline, the issue is next year and 2014. They simply don't have the planes to retain services, and it's going to be near impossible to make a comeback in 2015/16 if QF drops out of markets today. Other airlines will simply scoop up the traffic and fill up the market.

The 787 was due to reach mainline until the 789 arrives in 2014-early 2015. They are apparently very flexible, so they could potentially take 4-5 787-8's to use to DFW and potentially BNE-LAX or SYD-SIN-FRA or similar next year or early 2014, I guess. But JQ seems to be the priority, so I doubt it.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 31):
Dropping the SYD-SIN-FRA route certainly would mean a end of an era for QF in Europe with the UK only sole remaining route in their network connecting to the UK / Europe... Let's hope your predictions aren't true...

I hope so too! But based on the evidence, FRA appears to be the 744 route most likely to go. I can't see QF dropping LAX/DFW flights, JNB is supposed to be extremely strong, NRT wouldn't free up enough frames and SCL has only just started...

Quoting airvan00 (Reply 32):
The 744 has not been removed from SYD-PER. OJD has been flying on 581/582 for the last 3 months. It was announced that the 744 would be removed from SYD-PER but that hasn't happened (yet).

Actually, today is the last 744. Tomorrows flight is a 767 (as all Saturday's have been), and the flight doesn't operate on Sundays. Monday is still in the schedule as an A330...
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 7:18 am

These birds must already be in early build stage so I wonder if someone else will announce a 2 plane A380 order shortly like the LH one last year for some of the other deferments
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 7:20 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 36):
I hope so too! But based on the evidence, FRA appears to be the 744 route most likely to go. I can't see QF dropping LAX/DFW flights, JNB is supposed to be extremely strong, NRT wouldn't free up enough frames and SCL has only just started...

How many frames are required to operate the FRA route 3 frames..? Probably another codeshare agreement in the pipeline with IB...?

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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting thegeek (Reply 23):
This is a bit of a shock. Doesn't this mean that 744s will be making a stop in BNE from DFW for years to come, as well as probable under capacity on that route?
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 28):
Actually no. If anything this reinforces what Alan Joyce said a little while ago about DFW being an ideal 787 route. Sure it's a drop in capacity but could be made up for by an increase in frequency. I'd say this makes DFW even more of a candidate for QF mainlines first ULH 787 route.

The other option could be to make BNE-LAX a daily 787 (only requiring two frames) and then BNE-DFW-BNE 3x 747. That would require one frame, effectively freeing up a 747. That (to me) seems more likely than dedicating 4 787s to DFW (daily from SYD and BNE, eg) since it means they can get more 787s to JQ.

After all, unless they plan on pushing the 767s much further they need the JQ A330s at mainline.
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Fri May 04, 2012 7:50 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 11):
Did they? If so I didn't see it. I would be very interested if you could find the reference.

Searching I suspect I may have misremembered (possibly influenced by anet kite flying). Late last year AJ was talking about the flexibility to move the 787 between Jetstar and QF as needed, so perhaps I read this as something it wasn't
 
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Fri May 04, 2012 7:58 am

So who is happy to get these slots. EK?
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 7:58 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 36):
I hope so too! But based on the evidence, FRA appears to be the 744 route most likely to go. I can't see QF dropping LAX/DFW flights, JNB is supposed to be extremely strong, NRT wouldn't free up enough frames and SCL has only just started...

QF's Senior Vice President for the Americas and the Pacific, Wally Mariani, recently gave and interview in Chile whereby he stated that QF's goal is to fly the Sydney-Santiago route daily in the coming months. It will be interesting to see if QF actually increases frequency on the route in the coming months.
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 8:02 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 36):
The issue isn't 5 years down the track once the 787's have landed at mainline, the issue is next year and 2014. They simply don't have the planes to retain services, and it's going to be near impossible to make a comeback in 2015/16 if QF drops out of markets today. Other airlines will simply scoop up the traffic and fill up the market.

Pretty much what I was saying. They may also defer some planned retirements, and they have some other planes on the way (330s & 737s), so it may not be quite as bleak as what you are thinking there, but still...
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 41):
So who is happy to get these slots. EK?

Which slots are you indicating...? QF FRA slots...?

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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 8:20 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 44):
Which slots are you indicating...? QF FRA slots...?

I think he meant A380 delivery slots
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 8:54 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 45):

Cheers...

Hope there is no further cuts in the pipeline... I've heard MEL will have 400 engineering jobs axed... Can we confirm...?

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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 9:09 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 34):
Quoting StickShaker (Reply 33):
I think this confirms that QF are loosing interest in international long haul and want to concentrate on the Asian region.

Under which brand though...? QF, JQ or Red Q...?

EK413

I suspect it will be JQ initially then maybe some derivative of Red Q further down the track. I probably should qualify my original statement to QF losing interest on long haul routes that are marginal and are in competition against ME carriers. LHR has been reduced to 2 services daily - unthinkable only a few years ago. QF seems to have lost its appetite for Europe. I also get the feeling that QF are not just deferring 380 frames but they just don't want any more and will use 788/9's for further route development.

Its a difficult call to judge which way QF are going - not too sure they know themselves.


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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 10:30 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 34):
Under which brand though...? QF, JQ or Red Q...?

If the decision is being made by financial experts they could care less, they see numbers not airline names, a/c types, traditions, spotters etc.
 
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RE: QF 380 Delivery Date Pushed Out 4 Years

Fri May 04, 2012 10:39 am

G'day

Quoting par13del (Reply 48):
If the decision is being made by financial experts they could care less, they see numbers not airline names, a/c types, traditions, spotters etc.

And most important - A-nutters  

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