trent1000
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LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 2:32 am

Hello everyone,

After checking out various photos of the new LH business class seat, I wonder about:

1. 'romantic' armrest placement. Won't passengers easily knock each others' drinks over because they are placed so close together?
2. the 'ironing board' bed/seat cushion comfort
3. in the flat position with the armest down, won't the aisle passenger have their elbow easily bumped from people walking by?
4. feet not placed directly forward but squeezed at an angle into limited foot space (again, comfort?)
5. is there much stowage space in / in front of the seat?
6. privacy screens?

What do you think of the pics so far?
 
kaitak
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 3:51 am

The photos look great, but the one thing that struck me after seeing the photos was that the seats look rather narrow; can any of the LH insiders say how wide they are?

Certainly looks like a great product!
 
kdeg00
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 3:58 am

I'm less concerned with narrow (after all, they are all going that way) but with the continued angling away from the window. I've spent my entire flying life trying to get the window seat and its view. But now it seems that every re-do of business class seating angles away from the window so that you have to crane your neck to see out. Why not angle TOWARDS the window?

[Edited 2012-05-03 20:59:49]

[Edited 2012-05-03 21:04:20]
 
kaitak
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 4:50 am

Quoting kdeg00 (Reply 2):
But now it seems that every re-do of business class seating angles away from the window so that you have to crane your neck to see out. Why not angle TOWARDS the window?

I agree with what you're saying; it seems that airlines assume that all J Class travellers are seasoned fliers and not overly concerned with looking out, but at the end of the day, people will always want to do so. I saw pictures of QR's new J Class on the 787 and it was angled away from the window. On the plus side, CX's new J Class is angled towards the window.
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 5:40 am

i was sitting on that seat and I must say, the seat itself is pretty comfortable. My concern was as well the small area at the feet, but it is no problem at all. I am pretty tall and I can lie flat on that bed without any problem
Actually the angle makes it more comfortable as the person next to you is rather far away at the head area, so it feels like the other guy is further away from you and your personal comfort zone is not disturbed.

The armrest can be put down, so that your arm could drop to the aisle, but simply leave the armrest up and you are fine. Doesn't take away much room from you.

There is quite some space around you, you have many places where you can put your stuff.

The monitor can be moved sideways, so that you can get your perfect angle to watch a movie, even when in bed.

The overall impression was quite positive, despite the angle and the small foot area.

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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting kdeg00 (Reply 2):
I'm less concerned with narrow (after all, they are all going that way) but with the continued angling away from the window. I've spent my entire flying life trying to get the window seat and its view. But now it seems that every re-do of business class seating angles away from the window so that you have to crane your neck to see out. Why not angle TOWARDS the window?
Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
I agree with what you're saying; it seems that airlines assume that all J Class travellers are seasoned fliers and not overly concerned with looking out, but at the end of the day, people will always want to do so. I saw pictures of QR's new J Class on the 787 and it was angled away from the window. On the plus side, CX's new J Class is angled towards the window.

I've not experienced the LH Business Class layout, but I have experienced the new "IPTE" First Class seats on UA, and for some reason they went from window-facing angled seats to facing-away-from-the-window angled seats. Not only do you not face the window, but now you are angled to directly face another passenger. Ugh. Like I really want to watch the passenger in 1K sip his drink and eat his meal.
 
yp6370
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 9:24 am

The angled seat config is especially designed for the 747-8. On Airbus planes only bulkhead rows are angled. All other rows have the "normal" parallel seat config.

The seat has the same width as the old one but just looks slim because of the colors and design.
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 10:48 am

Quoting yp6370 (Reply 6):
The angled seat config is especially designed for the 747-8. On Airbus planes only bulkhead rows are angled. All other rows have the "normal" parallel seat config.

As far as I know only the 748 has been outfitted... How is the new Biz Seat on other planes?
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 10:51 am

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 7):
How is the new Biz Seat on other planes?

Not on the old ones. 2 A330 have been delivered with the new C class seat, they will operate out of MUC.

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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 3):
I saw pictures of QR's new J Class on the 787 and it was angled away from the window. On the plus side, CX's new J Class is angled towards the window.

QR's new 787 Business Class is reverse herringbone and thus the 'window' seats face the window. Similar to CX. AA's new Int'l Business Class, to be introduced on the 77W later this year, also is reverse herringbone and has window-facing seats.
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 12:06 pm

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
Not on the old ones. 2 A330 have been delivered with the new C class seat, they will operate out of MUC.

Any photos of the C interior in those aircrafts?
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 12:14 pm

Quoting someone83 (Reply 10):
Any photos of the C interior in those aircrafts?

I haven't seen any yet. But I am sure they will be out there soon. Don't know if the airplanes are in service yet.

With the 747-8 intercontinental it will take until June 1st until first revenue flight.

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yp6370
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 12:21 pm

Apparently D-AIKP/-KQ are the first A330-300 equipped with the new First and Business Class. They will be based at MUC and first routes might be to TLV, DXB, JFK, IAD. A third new A330 is due to arrive during summer in MUC.
At first KP was planned to start service in mid may but it seems LH changed its mind and waits until the first commercial flight of the 747-8 took place.
 
GolfBravoRomeo
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 4:35 pm

I'm happy to see 2-2-2 on the 747-8. I always try to avoid the 744. (When did FRA-NYC go to all 744s, after there A380 was pulled?)

Quoting yp6370 (Reply 6):
On Airbus planes only bulkhead rows are angled. All other rows have the "normal" parallel seat config.

Will the headrests move closer together or will the footrests move apart?
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Fri May 04, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting kdeg00 (Reply 2):
I'm less concerned with narrow (after all, they are all going that way) but with the continued angling away from the window.

The angle isn't that bad. It is nothing like the herringbone layouts where it is quite pronounced. It isn't hard to look out the window at all. The angle is barely perceptible.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
The photos look great, but the one thing that struck me after seeing the photos was that the seats look rather narrow; can any of the LH insiders say how wide they are?

The seats don't feel particularly narrow. Since at shoulder width, you are farther apart from your seatmate, it feels more spacious than the angled flat seats that LH currently has.

Quoting trent1000 (Thread starter):
5. is there much stowage space in / in front of the seat?

There is floor storage under the shelf for your feet. It will take a briefcase. It's a bit narrow on the window/aisle seat pairs, but quite large in the middle seats.

Quoting trent1000 (Thread starter):
4. feet not placed directly forward but squeezed at an angle into limited foot space (again, comfort?)

If you are tall and in the window/aisle seat pair on the sides of the airplane, the footwell is on the small side. If you are 6ft or under, you don't need that space. That is relatively common on flat seats (herringbone, angled, UA opposite direction). They are full width up until the last 6 inches which get quite narrow.
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Sat May 05, 2012 3:59 am

Quoting yp6370 (Reply 12):
Apparently D-AIKP/-KQ are the first A330-300 equipped with the new First and Business Class. They will be based at MUC and first routes might be to TLV, DXB, JFK, IAD. A third new A330 is due to arrive during summer in MUC.
At first KP was planned to start service in mid may but it seems LH changed its mind and waits until the first commercial flight of the 747-8 took place.

correct, they are scheduled to remain in HAM until the end of the month.
 
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RE: LH New Business Class Seat

Sat May 05, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 4):
Actually the angle makes it more comfortable as the person next to you is rather far away at the head area, so it feels like the other guy is further away from you and your personal comfort zone is not disturbed.

Wilco, out of curiosity, when you're a passenger, do you enjoy looking out the window? Or has it lost the romance now that you're used to looking out the front?
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