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USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 12:47 pm

USAirways A330 is currently circling over Southampton after departure from LHR, any more info?
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 12:54 pm

Looks like it's going into BOH. There's no way it can land at SOU is there?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 12:58 pm

It has been circling for over an hour. flightstats has it from LHR-PHL and delayed by 149 minutes. Something is obviously wrong with this flight.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:12 pm

Still circling... It's out of LHR and circling quite low at 6,500ft over Southampton.

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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:13 pm

It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 4):
It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?

Yes, that appears to be the case given the code being squawked.

There is a GAMA Aviation Citation Jet also circling close by to AWE789

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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:25 pm

It's ascending now and leaving the area over SOU. Heading back to LHR or maybe LGW?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:27 pm

Looks like its finished circling over Southampton and heading back to LHR...
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:30 pm

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 4):
It's squawking 7640, isn't that radio problems?

I always thought just 7600 was radio problems, looking back at an old book of mine says 7601-7676 are assignable by ATC. Perhaps it's different in the UK/outdated materials
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:31 pm

Quoting btblue (Reply 3):
Still circling... It's out of LHR and circling quite low at 6,500ft over Southampton.

http://www.flightradar24.com/AWE729

If I'm reading the site correctly, US-729 is now at 8000 feet -- flying toward LHR at 220 knots.

[Edited 2012-05-04 06:37:45]
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 1:45 pm

Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:04 pm

The Flightaware tracking graph now shows US-729 at altitude and speed 000. -- but still holds the aircraft as 'enroute.'


USAirway.com now reports US-729 as "delayed" with a new departure time of 15:30 GDT and new arrival at 18:29 EDT.

[Edited 2012-05-04 07:26:31]
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 11):
USAirway.com now reports US-729 as "delayed" with a new departure time of 15:30 GDT and new arrival at 18:29 EDT.

Why do I show US 729 as a flight from LHR-PHL-BOS?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting richierich (Reply 12):
Why do I show US 729 as a flight from LHR-PHL-BOS?

According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 3:34 pm

7600 is coms failure, and if it´s circling at low altitude and low speed probably is dumping fuel to return to LHR, usually they do at low altitude and low speed with gear down to burn more fuel.

Not all the A330 has the dumping system, it´s an option i think.

I guess that area you´re talking is the designated by the UK CAA for dumping fuel in case of problems.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .

Many airlines do that. for example IB many transatlantic flights have a continuation in an A320 to BCN.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 4:22 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 13):
According to USAirways.com, it would appear there is a continuation of US-729 after a change of aircraft (to an E190) at PHL .

I'm sorry - I was thinking this was the eastbound flight from PHL. That's the way it was stuck in my head. I guess I was brain dead there!

Does anybody know any further details about the flight that returned to LHR?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 5:13 pm

Maybe it was circling Southampton to drop eggs on Ed Miliband     

Quoting migair54 (Reply 14):
Not all the A330 has the dumping system, it´s an option i think.

This is correct, its an optional extra. It can be clearly identified by the presence (or absence) of a nozzle at the end of the wing. This came up in the recent emergency landing of the VS A330.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:17 pm

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/9689...pton_after_undercarriage_problems/

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The National Air Traffic Service told the Daily Echo this was because the plane's wheels were “locked down” and it was decided to circle before gaining permission to fly back to Heathrow.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:35 pm

Quoting anshuk (Reply 16):
This is correct, its an optional extra. It can be clearly identified by the presence (or absence) of a nozzle at the end of the wing. This came up in the recent emergency landing of the VS A330.

I checked the photo DB and did not see anything on US A330s that indicates they have the fuel dump option. But, I've never looked for this before on the 330 and do not know precisely what I am looking for. Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.

Until I read this post I hadn't actually realized that BA still use this flight number after the 2008 crash at LHR. Any reason they didn't retire it?
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting LHRSpotter (Reply 19):
Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 10):
Now on final approach to 09L behind BA38, a 744 from PEK.

Until I read this post I hadn't actually realized that BA still use this flight number after the 2008 crash at LHR. Any reason they didn't retire it?

Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 11:04 pm

Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
I checked the photo DB and did not see anything on US A330s that indicates they have the fuel dump option. But, I've never looked for this before on the 330 and do not know precisely what I am looking for. Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.

From my own pic I don't think they do, doesn't an aircraft with the option have an extra nozzle on the second outer canoe?

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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Fri May 04, 2012 11:05 pm

Quoting awthompson (Reply 20):
Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.

Well that's not true - I was on BA38 and was certainly superstitious, although operated by 744, not 772 that was used in crash.
However you are right in saying that the average traveller hardly even remembers the flight number - felt I was the only passenger aboard who knew the significance of BA38.
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 12:31 am

Quoting flylku (Reply 18):
Can anyone else definitively say, from the photos DB, if US has the dump option.

Indeed, this is what you see on an A330 wing with the nozzle to dump fuel


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This is a wing on a US airways A330, you can clearly see the predisposition, but the absence of the nozzle


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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 12:46 am

Why wouldn't this be a standard item for all aircraft? It's like a car company not offering airbags in this day and age. A simple safety item that can aid in the safe arrival of an aircraft just after taking off, full of fuel. What if for whatever reason they didn't have the time to burn off the fuel, and needed an immediate return and landing, isn't there a point where an airplane can be too heavy with fuel to land safely?
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 1:18 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 24):
What if for whatever reason they didn't have the time to burn off the fuel, and needed an immediate return and landing, isn't there a point where an airplane can be too heavy with fuel to land safely?

As far as I know aircraft need to meet the requirement for a safe landing even in a case of overweight landing, as has happened not too long ago to a VS A330 that landed shortly after taking off to Orlando following an inflight fire alarm that required an immediate landing. The same is true for an aircraft which is capable to dump fuel but is in the need to get to the ground as soon as possible. I believe in the VS A330 situation they wouldn't even have used it if available.

I was convinced myself that the fuel-dump nozzle was a requirement for all widebody aircraft, and discovered after the VS occurrence that 767s and A330s offer it as an option.

Fuel Dump Facilities On Commercial A/C-Required? (by RTWflyer Oct 22 2010 in Tech Ops) Here is some useful information on fuel-dump requirements.

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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 3:00 am

All aircraft must be certified to land at maximum takeoff weight. If a landing is made above the max landing weight, then a significant maintenance procedure must be accomplished prior to the next flight. Back when fuel was cheaper, the dump system was a no-brainer, but with the expense of fuel nowadays, it's probably cheaper to do the maintenance inspection.
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 3:12 am

US has no fuel dump capability on any of their wide body AC .
 
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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting awthompson (Reply 20):
Quite simple: British Airways, and British people for that matter, are not really superstitious and wouldn't be put off by the number 038, if they even remembered it! Also there were no fatalities so the average traveller hardly even remembers the accident never mind the flight number.

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RE: USAir A330 Circling Over Southampton?

Sat May 05, 2012 8:22 pm