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UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 5:27 pm

Does United plan on adding winglets to all 757s, meaning those PMUA birds which don't have them already (which I believe is most)? I wouldn't see the need if a lot of those 57s are going to remain on shorter routes within the states. PM Continental added winglets to their whole fleet cause they're used Trans-Atlantic or on longer routes in US, so it made sense.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 6:01 pm

The original PMUA plan was to only add winglets to the birds in the p.s. configuration and the ETOPS birds.

The justification was that these birds primarily do transcon and Hawaii market flights which have longer flight times, which would be most impacted by reduced fuel burn offered by adding winglets.

The rest of the fleet would not get winglets. Not sure if this plan has changed due to the merger. However, PMCO mostly used the 752 long-haul TATL. The shorter-haul and mid-con routes that PMUA tended to utilize the 752 on, PMCO would use 739's.

IMHO, the PMUA 752 fleet (that doesn't already have winglets) won't get them. They'll probably be retired within the next few years and replaced with 739's.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 6:05 pm

Per Wikipedia, all of the 757s are to get winglets.

That being said, UA is in the process of placing a large order with Boeing for the 737NG and 737 MAX and it is expected some of that order will be 737-900ERs and/or 737-9s to replace some of the 757-200 fleet.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 6:15 pm

The rumored 737 order should give you an idea about the plans for a large bulk of the PMUA 757 fleet.
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 6:36 pm

Our 752 flight to OGG had no winglets. Would nice to see them on the 763s as well, as UA's birds looked out of place at HNL next to HA and AA 763s with winglets...
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 6:45 pm

Don't expect any of the sUA 752's not already equipped with winglets to have them fitted given the Boeing order which is imminent.

An order for 14 763ER winglet sets were made last year. http://www.nycaviation.com/2011/06/u...glets-for-boeing-767-300er-fleet/. Looking at the UA/CO fleet upgrade thread, there are 14 763ERs which are two class that will be converted for international use. That leaves 21 763ERs which either have them equipped already or will not be equipped perhaps because they will be the first to be phased out as the 788's come online.

A total of 21 763ERs already had their interior modifications and the 14 domestic ones are due in the next year or so (?)
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 8:06 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 5):
Don't expect any of the sUA 752's not already equipped with winglets to have them fitted given the Boeing order which is imminent.

That was my thought. The non-wingleted 752s will simply be replaced when economics dictate (e.g., to avoid a D-check).

Does anyone have a link to the difference in residual value of a 757 with and without winglets? Without a certification for the 757 with winglets, my opinion is that it would be easier to sell the 757s sans winglets.

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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
Does anyone have a link to the difference in residual value of a 757 with and without winglets? Without a certification for the 757 with winglets, my opinion is that it would be easier to sell the 757s sans winglets.

The folks from FedEx who chime in on other threads here say FedEx prefers 757's without winglets...but the thinking is at some point, when the pool of used 757's to buy dries up, FedEx will have to start taking 757's with winglets because those will be all that's left.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Fri May 04, 2012 10:25 pm

FDX only needs to source about 9 more a/c to make it to the original 90 aircraft announced, with unconfirmed rumors of up 115 or more. With the recent acquisition of N583UA United has a large pool of nonwingleted aircraft, Delta has about 12 lease a/c not wingleted and Thomas Cook has 19 that are non winglet and FDX has already some of them in the fleet. It would be nice to buy a larger block of aircraft like what they were able to due with the 727 fleet, since we have 53 in service 757 from 17 different customer codes. I believe they can source up to 125 aircraft total without having to deal with winglet aircraft which would cause problems for gate parking at the hubs and out lying cities due to the extra 14 ft of wing span. Its not as much the certification of a 757F with winglets as much as it is a real estate problem.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Sat May 05, 2012 1:19 am

Quoting wrenchon727 (Reply 8):
With the recent acquisition of N583UA United has a large pool of nonwingleted aircraft, Delta has about 12 lease a/c not wingleted and Thomas Cook has 19 that are non winglet and FDX has already some of them in the fleet.

Hence why FedEx is in no hurry to pay to have the winglets certified as a freighter.

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RE: UA 757 Plans

Sat May 05, 2012 1:55 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 6):
my opinion is that it would be easier to sell the 757s sans winglets.

Many of the 757s UA operates are leased, so it would be at the discretion of the lessor whether the ships are fitted with winglets (in other words, whether the lessor is willing to pay for the mods). Keep in mind that, for older aircraft like the 757, the winglet retrofits are fairly involved. It's not just 'plug-and-play'.

The sUA 757s coming off lease in the next several years (mostly early 1990s deliveries) will be withdrawn from the fleet.
 
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RE: UA 757 Plans

Sat May 05, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
The sUA 757s coming off lease in the next several years (mostly early 1990s deliveries) will be withdrawn from the fleet.

You make a good point about the leases. Since FedEx seems to like early 1990 model 757s, I'm sure they will have a look. Do you know when the leases start to expire? Or a rough idea of the distribution?

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RE: UA 757 Plans

Sat May 05, 2012 5:29 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 10):
Many of the 757s UA operates are leased, so it would be at the discretion of the lessor whether the ships are fitted with winglets (in other words, whether the lessor is willing to pay for the mods). Keep in mind that, for older aircraft like the 757, the winglet retrofits are fairly involved. It's not just 'plug-and-play'.

The sUA 757s coming off lease in the next several years (mostly early 1990s deliveries) will be withdrawn from the fleet.

Most lease agreements enable airlines to freely make modifications such as winglets, but at their expense. It's indifferent from an automobile lease; for example, many people install running boards, autostarts, etc. but are responsible for the cost.
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