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Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 6:00 am

Hey guys

1. How many total flights and frequency does AS have to Hawaii
2. How are the routes performing

Thanks guys
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 8:10 am

Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
1. How many total flights and frequency does AS have to Hawaii

This route map plus the flight schedules link at alaskaair.com is an excellent place to start.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 10:05 am

Here are the current Alaska flights from each airport in Hawaii from which AS operates.

HNL-ANC 1x 738
HNL-BLI 1x 738
HNL-OAK 1x 738
HNL-PDX 1x 738
HNL-SAN 1x 738
HNL-SJC 1x 738
HNL-SEA 2x 738

OGG-OAK 1x 738
OGG-PDX 1x (Mo,We,Th), 2x ( Su,Tu,Fr,Sa) 738
OGG-SMF 1x 738
OGG-SAN 1x 738
OGG-SJC 1x 738
OGG-SEA 2x + 1 one-way (Sa, Su) 738
SEA-OGG above capacity + 1 one-way (Su, Tu, Th, Fr, Sa)

LIH-OAK 1x 738
LIH-SJC 1x 738
LIH-SEA 1x 738

KOA-OAK 1x 738
KOA-SJC 1x 738
KOA-SEA 1x 738
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 11:09 am

Why no KOA or LIH PDX flights? Especially since AS conciders PDX as a hub!
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 2:15 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 2):

Thank you for taking the time to do that
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 2:35 pm

There is KOA-PDX service. I don't think it's weekly. Rumours of LIH-PDX, but not a route yet.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 3:26 pm

New frequencies coming in June:

SAN-OGG 1x daily (2x Su, M, W, F)
SMF-OGG 1x daily (2x Tu, Th, Sa)

I think you'll see PDX-LIH later this year.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 6:34 pm

This is an oft discussed topic given AS's recent successful Hawaii expansion.

The obvious questions are, what's next?

PDX-LIH (probably a given)
SAN-KOA
SMF-KOA
BLI-OGG

Any other guesses? We know that AS probably won't start SNA-HNL with the SNA slot they are giving up, due to weight restrictions that the 738 would take out of SNA.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 6:40 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
Any other guesses?

SAN-LIH
PDX-KOA goes year-round.

Maybe additional frequencies will be added to the more popular segments.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 4):
Thank you for taking the time to do that

No problem. It gave me some good insight into the service that AS operated to Hawaii: I had no idea they had so many flights and destinations!

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 5):
There is KOA-PDX service.

It wasn't listed in the AS timetable that I used. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but that's why I didn't notice it. My apologies for not checking another source (that was really the only source I knew to check).
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 8:40 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 9):
No problem. It gave me some good insight into the service that AS operated to Hawaii: I had no idea they had so many flights and destinations!

20% of AS's total capacity is now in Hawaii.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 8:45 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):

That's amazing, 20%. Good for them
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Sun May 06, 2012 11:14 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 7):
with the SNA slot they are giving up

As far as I know, SNA isn't slot controlled.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 1:02 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 12):
As far as I know, SNA isn't slot controlled.

Yes it is. WN has something like 60% of them, if memory serves me correctly...
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 1:50 am

My guess (since last year) has been SAN-LIH/KOA with a split flight -- maybe 4x wkly to KOA and the other 3 days to Kauai. I wouldn't be surprised to see the routes start late this year.

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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting sflaflight (Reply 3):
Why no KOA or LIH PDX flights? Especially since AS conciders PDX as a hub!

it all comes down to available aircraft

anyone know if Alaska is going to ETOPS certify their 737-990ER fleet?
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 3:13 am

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 15):

anyone know if Alaska is going to ETOPS certify their 737-990ER fleet?

Yes I believe they will come certified already for ETOPS.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 4:25 am

Quoting flyPBA (Reply 15):
anyone know if Alaska is going to ETOPS certify their 737-990ER fleet?

I don't think AS has any plans to use the 737-990ERs on the Mainland Hawaii flights...but I wouldn't throw out that possibility.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 5:06 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
I don't think AS has any plans to use the 737-990ERs on the Mainland Hawaii flights

Not in the immediate future, no - however they'll be ETOPS certified for the added flexibility in the event demand or market conditions dictate.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 6:35 am

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):
20% of AS's total capacity is now in Hawaii.

  

To think there are still a few city pairs that could justify service. Well done and quite a market changer.

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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 17):
I don't think AS has any plans to use the 737-990ERs on the Mainland Hawaii flights...but I wouldn't throw out that possibility.

You'll be seeing the -900ER's in Hawaii sooner than you think. Some will be ETOPS equiped out of the factory and I hear that all future orders are being coverted from -800's to the 900's. It will be the perfect plane for Hawaii service...same range as the -800 but higher RASM due to two extra rows in Y. Perfect to compete with WN due to lower CASM than the -800.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 3:59 pm

Does Delta still do their ground handeling? Any plans to hire some of their own staff?
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Mon May 07, 2012 7:58 pm

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 21):
Does Delta still do their ground handeling

Yes

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 21):
Any plans to hire some of their own staff?

We have a Customer Service Manager who oversees all HI stations, plus Supervisors or "Contract Service Leads" in each location. There is the potential for AS to hire their own CSAs at some point, but not just yet.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 3:09 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 20):
It will be the perfect plane for Hawaii service...same range as the -800 but higher RASM due to two extra rows in Y. Perfect to compete with WN due to lower CASM than the -800.

Their 738 is configured with 16/141 and the -900ER will be 20/164 - four extra in F, and 23 more in Y. Quite a bit of opportunity for AS in Hawaii with the new birds.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:01 am

Here's an honest question, a bit OT but still relevant - Why does AS operate so many flights to Hawaii? Especially when there's so many better options. At my home airport, PDX, AS handles lots of Hawaii routes, such as HNL, OGG, and seasonal KOA (I think.) Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this is good for Portland's economy, but I wonder...

But there are better options. HA flies a 763 here for HNL service. (Unfortunately HA's OGG flight was recently cut, likely thanks to AS.) Honestly, I for one would much, much rather fly down to SFO or LAX to catch a 772 to the islands than take one of AS's 738s there, with the lower leis painted on the tails...   

I am not trying to sound rude or condescending here... But this is a question I've pondered for some time now. What do you guys think?
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:10 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 24):
I for one would much, much rather fly down to SFO or LAX to catch a 772 to the islands than take one of AS's 738s there, with the lower leis painted on the tails...

Seriously? You'd add 3-4 hours to your travel time, take the chance of a misconnect due to mechanical or weather (OMG there's a cloud over SFO!!) rather than take a non-stop just because it's a narrow-body? AS's load factors of 90%+ to Hawaii show you are are in the minority. I've taken plenty of 757's to Europe and Hawaii...a 737-800 or -900 is not much different.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:17 am

A lot of us are very loyal to AS too.

Got the credit card, got the status.... not going to connect through somewhere else for a bigger plane.
The Alaska staff and planes are just fine for Hawaii. No complaints here and it's quick and painless.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:23 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 24):
Here's an honest question, a bit OT but still relevant - Why does AS operate so many flights to Hawaii? Especially when there's so many better options. At my home airport, PDX, AS handles lots of Hawaii routes, such as HNL, OGG, and seasonal KOA (I think.) Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this is good for Portland's economy, but I wonder... But there are better options. HA flies a 763 here for HNL service. (Unfortunately HA's OGG flight was recently cut, likely thanks to AS.) Honestly, I for one would much, much rather fly down to SFO or LAX to catch a 772 to the islands than take one of AS's 738s there, with the lower leis painted on the tails... I am not trying to sound rude or condescending here... But this is a question I've pondered for some time now. What do you guys think?

This clearly falls under the heading "To each their own".

My in-laws are heading to Hawaii again soon, and once again will be on Alaska.

Our friends we had over for dinner on Saturday are heading to Hawaii again soon, and would not consider Alaska over Hawaiian. They like the bigger cabin with the ability to get up and walk around without being trapped by a drink cart.

To each their own.  

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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:32 am

Not sure if the 739's have the legs for Hawaii from the mainland, at least not reliably.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:42 am

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 25):
Seriously? You'd add 3-4 hours to your travel time, take the chance of a misconnect due to mechanical or weather (OMG there's a cloud over SFO!!) rather than take a non-stop just because it's a narrow-body?

To be painfully honest, yes. I like widebodies, and if I can plan longer layovers as well as try to avoid delay-prone airports (like SFO) then I can feel pretty certain about not misconnecting.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 25):
AS's load factors of 90%+ to Hawaii show you are are in the minority.

That doesn't surprise me and yes I do consider myself to be in the minority. Do you have any info on load factors of other airlines?

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 25):
I've taken plenty of 757's to Europe and Hawaii...a 737-800 or -900 is not much different.

I'm comparing 737s to widebodies, not 757s. I agree though, a 752 and a 738 do not feel that much different.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 26):
A lot of us are very loyal to AS too.

Yep. I have some in my family. I just try to differentiate myself from them.

Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 26):
not going to connect through somewhere else for a bigger plane.

That's where we differ.  
Quoting BlatantEcho (Reply 26):
The Alaska staff and planes are just fine for Hawaii. No complaints here and it's quick and painless.

Interesting to know. I personally don't care for the AS product, but that's just me.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 27):
This clearly falls under the heading "To each their own".

   Oh yes.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 27):
My in-laws are heading to Hawaii again soon, and once again will be on Alaska.

Our friends we had over for dinner on Saturday are heading to Hawaii again soon, and would not consider Alaska over Hawaiian. They like the bigger cabin with the ability to get up and walk around without being trapped by a drink cart.

To each their own.

Exactly. Thanks for sharing! I like the bigger cabin, too.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
I personally don't care for the AS product, but that's just me.

Thanks for the explanation...you sound like a reasonable chap.    I have to ask though...what is it about their 'product' that you don't care for? Is this anything to do with the former 'prayer card' by any chance? They were discontinued last February.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 5:51 am

I shared the same sentiments with AlnessW when it came to flying widebodies vs. narrowbodies. But I took a chance of flying a 738 to Hawaii on AS. I found it more comfortable than I expected. And who can turn down free Mai Tai's??? We've been consistently flying AS to Hawaii...because, yes, I'm one of the loyal ones with MVP Gold and the credit card. I'm proud to be supporting our hometown airline!
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 24):
Honestly, I for one would much, much rather fly down to SFO or LAX to catch a 772 to the islands than take one of AS's 738s there,

"I...for ONE..." being the key words, here.

Most people don't share your values; they're interested in saving time and money, and that's why AS succeeds, even with the 738s you abhor.
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 6:45 am

Every time this discussion comes up (737s to the Islands) there are a few who insist they will NOT fly a narrow body there. And that's fine; no prob. For every person with that viewpoint, there are obviously hundreds who are very happy to fly any jet with fares, schedules, and service that are acceptable to them.

The problem remains, however, that there are fewer and fewer widebodies flying between California and the Islands.

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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 2:45 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 24):
But there are better options. HA flies a 763 here for HNL service. (Unfortunately HA's OGG flight was recently cut, likely thanks to AS.) Honestly, I for one would much, much rather fly down to SFO or LAX to catch a 772 to the islands than take one of AS's 738s there, with the lower leis painted on the tails...

You do not have kids do you? Or you have quite a bit more vacation time than I do. Adding 3 to 4 hours as a connection would make the Hawaii trip a 'no go' for my family. The kids would melt down (and we have exceptionally well behaved children).

I ask you, what should AS do? They fly zero widebodies. Are you suggesting they abandon the market? Since AS is profitable and look at how much they've thrown to Hawaii:

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):
20% of AS's total capacity is now in Hawaii.

I'm still floored by that stat.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
and if I can plan longer layovers as well as try to avoid delay-prone airports (like SFO) then I can feel pretty certain about not misconnecting.

Most of those I know who fly out of PDX try to avoid any crowded hub. In other words, they'll hub in SEA and DEN, but everything else they try to avoid. You must love widebodies to an unusual degree to do that.

Now, I know individuals who flew out of their way to fly the A380... so to each there own.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
Every time this discussion comes up (737s to the Islands) there are a few who insist they will NOT fly a narrow body there.

And yet the market says otherwise. The same is true for TATL narrowbodies... Yet TATL narrowbodies seem to be holding (if not growing) market share.

If the CS100 proves it can do Hawaii to the mainland, I suspect HA will have to change their strategy to the US west coast too. The fraction of narrowbodies to Hawaii will only grow with Southwest, Allergiant, and everyone with the MAX and NEO.

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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 2:53 pm

I remember our first trip to Hawaii on a 737....AQ was having a killer sale out of SNA so we took the bait. I thought it was going to be strange flying a -37 all that way but it turned out to be no different than a trans-con. Only difference was there was not much to look at out the window besides clouds!

AS is filling those -37's on every route they fly to Hawaii...they won't be making a change to appease the few that won't fly them because of the a/c type. Leaves people to fly HA and I think that's just fine as they're a great airline as well.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 3:58 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 30):
Thanks for the explanation...you sound like a reasonable chap.

Not a problem, thanks. I could say the same about you!
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 30):
I have to ask though...what is it about their 'product' that you don't care for?

Valid question indeed. For an airline that operates only one type of aircraft, it gets pretty dull for a person that is fussy about aircraft types, with 738 after 738 after 73G after 734 after 738... But that's just me being nitpicky.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 30):
Is this anything to do with the former 'prayer card' by any chance? They were discontinued last February.

I don't think I am familiar with this...

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 31):
I shared the same sentiments with AlnessW when it came to flying widebodies vs. narrowbodies.
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 31):
But I took a chance of flying a 738 to Hawaii on AS. I found it more comfortable than I expected.

Interesting to know, but long-haul flights on narrowbodies do not make sense to me. Sure, I'd love to fly a 767 from the west coast to BOS, but that is never going to happen.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 31):
I'm proud to be supporting our hometown airline!

You know, I'm thinking that if I don't feel like supporting AS... Then I should find another airport.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 32):
"I...for ONE..." being the key words, here.
Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 32):
Most people don't share your values; they're interested in saving time and money, and that's why AS succeeds, even with the 738s you abhor.

You have hit the nail on the head... Sadly that is just the case with 21st century air travel. These days it's all about time/money saving, flying LCCs, and whatnot.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
Every time this discussion comes up (737s to the Islands) there are a few who insist they will NOT fly a narrow body there. And that's fine; no prob.

Indeed, and I am proud to put myself in that category.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
For every person with that viewpoint, there are obviously hundreds who are very happy to fly any jet with fares, schedules, and service that are acceptable to them.
See my comment above. Sad, but true...

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
The problem remains, however, that there are fewer and fewer widebodies flying between California and the Islands.

Unfortunately, you are correct there as well. While I was able find a somewhat-decent number of (UA) 763s and 772s that fly there, I am seeing more and more 752s and (ex-CO) 738s...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
You do not have kids do you? Or you have quite a bit more vacation time than I do.

Nope.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
Adding 3 to 4 hours as a connection would make the Hawaii trip a 'no go' for my family. The kids would melt down (and we have exceptionally well behaved children).

To each their own...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
I ask you, what should AS do? They fly zero widebodies. Are you suggesting they abandon the market? Since AS is profitable and look at how much they've thrown to Hawaii:

Why would you assume that? I did not say that at all.
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
I'm still floored by that stat.

Me too.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
Most of those I know who fly out of PDX try to avoid any crowded hub. In other words, they'll hub in SEA and DEN, but everything else they try to avoid.

I have noticed that, too. I guess that they're all just hippies that want to fly as cheaply and easily as possible...
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
You must love widebodies to an unusual degree to do that.

OK, is it my fault that I want a bigger aircraft?

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
I remember our first trip to Hawaii on a 737....AQ was having a killer sale out of SNA so we took the bait. I thought it was going to be strange flying a -37 all that way but it turned out to be no different than a trans-con. Only difference was there was not much to look at out the window besides clouds!

Well I am glad that this works for some.

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
AS is filling those -37's on every route they fly to Hawaii...they won't be making a change to appease the few that won't fly them because of the a/c type.

You think I haven't figured that out by now...
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 35):
Leaves people to fly HA and I think that's just fine as they're a great airline as well.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:11 pm

My thought is that the majority of passengers don't know what type of aircraft they will be flying. They just look for a combination of the cheapest and most convient fare. I know members of my family wouldn't base a decision to book a flight because of the aircraft. I have had the pleasure of flying Alaska to Hawaii and had no complaints.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):
20% of AS's total capacity is now in Hawaii.

I'm still floored by that stat.

Not trying to be snarky, but is 20% true? It's seems much too high given that we are talking about 20 flight per day.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
You know, I'm thinking that if I don't feel like supporting AS... Then I should find another airport.

Nope...Sorry if I conveyed that message to you. I just like supporting AS. The HA option of connecting at HNL is always there as well...and you know that. Connections for HA at HNL really isn't that bad since they're all on the same north end of the airport.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
OK, is it my fault that I want a bigger aircraft?

Not at all. By all means fly on what you enjoy flying on. I find the 767 quite comfortable. In particular that *one* segment I had the pleasure of riding up in AA's first class (errr... everyone else calls it business). (My employer as well as myself are too cheap to pay for said privilege, but once I was required to be there and that was the only option.)

If you are willing to pay for an international J class seat to Hawaii (I assume UA flies those from SFO, but I do not know), then your decision makes far more sense to me.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
I have noticed that, too. I guess that they're all just hippies that want to fly as cheaply and easily as possible..

Probably.   Do note, I have quite a bit of family in that area, so I say it with kindness.

Quoting mcg (Reply 38):
Not trying to be snarky, but is 20% true? It's seems much too high given that we are talking about 20 flight per day.

I don't know for sure... We can do some 'back of the envelope math.' Due to the stage lengths, it would take up about 20% of AS's capacity and just under 1/3rd of their 738s!    Assuming AS also pushed up utilization with runs up and down the west coast, it actually is probably closer to 12% to 15% of their capacity from an airframe point of view. I'm not sure from a seat mile point of view due to the Combis.

Side question:
I see the 734s being retired near term will be replaced by 739ERs. Is there any rumor of the long term replacement? Those 734s must be having climbing maintenance costs by now. It is my impression that AS typically upgauges aircraft at replacement (the exception being 727s replaced with MD-83s). IMHO, the 737-9 (MAX) would be an excellent fit for AS's fleet for 734 replacement (with a few exceptions that could have 738s rotated in for field performance). Any rumors?

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BoeEngr
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 5:55 pm

I've flown both AS and HA from Seattle to Hawaii.

Granted, I do prefer the 767 heading over, but have switched over to AS for our Hawaii trips as we're loyal to AS and their mileage plan. I was a bit skeptical the first time we flew over on Alaska, but, as with others, we were pleasantly surprised. I don't know why I should be, though, as I routinely fly to the east coast on 757s and 738s, so I'm used to narrowbodies for 5-6 hours (minus the mai tais).

One thing is for sure, I love that I have the choice when we go, and can fly widebody if wanted, but usually our Alaska Mileage account wins.
 
PlanesNTrains
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 6:24 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):20% of AS's total capacity is now in Hawaii.
I'm still floored by that stat.

The glass-half-empty side of me wonders what it will be in five years as Allegiant, Southwest, and likely others (VX, B6, NK) enter with 757's, 738's, and NEO/MAX's? Alaska was operating a good amount of intra-CA at one point. Alaska was operating a good amount of Mexico at one point. I'm not saying they were run out or not successful, just that they seem to move and evolve over time in a manner that leads me to wonder if Hawaii is a long term plan or a mid-term opportunity?

Either way, as long as they are making money, it's all good.

Quoting mcg (Reply 38):
Not trying to be snarky, but is 20% true? It's seems much too high given that we are talking about 20 flight per day.

I'm assuming it's seat-miles.

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hatbutton
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 42):
Quoting mcg (Reply 38):
Not trying to be snarky, but is 20% true? It's seems much too high given that we are talking about 20 flight per day.

I'm assuming it's seat-miles.

Yes it's ASMs. Not Departures. And it's true. I'm not just making an assumption.
 
AlnessW
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 37):
My thought is that the majority of passengers don't know what type of aircraft they will be flying. They just look for a combination of the cheapest and most convient fare.

Yes, indeed. Nowadays it's ALL about low fares, really.

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 37):
I know members of my family wouldn't base a decision to book a flight because of the aircraft.

Oh yes. I am the only person in my family who is going to book with aircraft types in mind. All they care about are nonstops and low fares.

Quoting ANCsupercub (Reply 37):
I have had the pleasure of flying Alaska to Hawaii and had no complaints.

Well the fact that you said "pleasure" kind of says a lot...

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
Nope...Sorry if I conveyed that message to you.

No no, not at all. I don't mean to give you that impression. I'm just trying to be honest with myself. If I don't like flying AS (not just to Hawaii, but anywhere), then maybe I should choose a different airport that is not PDX.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
I just like supporting AS.

And I...well... Don't.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
The HA option of connecting at HNL is always there as well...and you know that.

Indeed!  
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 39):
Connections for HA at HNL really isn't that bad since they're all on the same north end of the airport.

Good to know!

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
Not at all. By all means fly on what you enjoy flying on.

Indeed, I will. Thanks. But that makes me puzzled about your previous comment:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 34):
You must love widebodies to an unusual degree to do that.

  

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
I find the 767 quite comfortable.

Good news, thanks. I've heard good and bad things about the 767...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
If you are willing to pay for an international J class seat to Hawaii (I assume UA flies those from SFO, but I do not know), then your decision makes far more sense to me.

In my dreams.
Not sure if the UA 767s and 777s from SFO to Hawaii are domestically or internationally configured, but that wouldn't matter for me because I'd be in Economy...  
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
Probably. Do note, I have quite a bit of family in that area, so I say it with kindness.

Yes, same here. Though it's hard to deny...

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 40):
Those 734s must be having climbing maintenance costs by now.

Once upon a time, an AS 734 failed me because of a mechanical problem.

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 41):
I've flown both AS and HA from Seattle to Hawaii.

Granted, I do prefer the 767 heading over

Excellent.

Quoting BoeEngr (Reply 41):
I was a bit skeptical the first time we flew over on Alaska, but, as with others, we were pleasantly surprised. I don't know why I should be, though, as I routinely fly to the east coast on 757s and 738s, so I'm used to narrowbodies for 5-6 hours

Honestly, I see it as "if there are widebodies available then I want to take them over narrowbodies."

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 42):
Alaska was operating a good amount of intra-CA at one point. Alaska was operating a good amount of Mexico at one point.

Does AS no longer do intra-California and Mexico? I thought that former-QX as well as mainline AS did a bunch of those routes.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 42):
Either way, as long as they are making money, it's all good.

... And as they continue to expand their already-monstrous PDX operations.   
 
dlflynhayn
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 29):
Interesting to know. I personally don't care for the AS product, but that's just me.

Since Delta doesnt know what to do with there LAX-GDL flight which is not running right now,i have to fly AS and the planes they use to go down there are awful and the tamales they give out are even worse than HA free food that they give out lol....

Quoting SANFan (Reply 33):
that there are fewer and fewer wide bodies flying between California and the Islands.

Not for DL/UA if you look at them in HNL there mostly all wide bodies..Shoot even UA flies 777/767 and sometimes 747's in to KOA....IMHO i think its just the price and a bunch of loyal AS flyers.Lets just say your buddy is gonna pay for you to go to HNL and he says you wanna fly on a HA 330-200 or AS 737-800 AHHH who would be the minority then?
 
AlnessW
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Tue May 08, 2012 11:50 pm

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
Not for DL/UA if you look at them in HNL there mostly all wide bodies..

What does DL fly there?

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
Shoot even UA flies 777/767

Yep, see my earlier comment:

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 36):
somewhat-decent number of (UA) 763s and 772s

  

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
and sometimes 747's in to KOA

 Wow! Seriously?

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
IMHO i think its just the price and a bunch of loyal AS flyers.

   I'll agree with you there.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
Lets just say your buddy is gonna pay for you to go to HNL

Now, where does one find one of those "buddies?"...  
Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
and he says you wanna fly on a HA 330-200 or AS 737-800 AHHH who would be the minority then?

I'll take the A330!
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Wed May 09, 2012 1:15 am

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 45):
Since Delta doesnt know what to do with there LAX-GDL flight which is not running right now,i have to fly AS and the planes they use to go down there are awful and the tamales they give out are even worse than HA free food that they give out lol....

Are you truly restricted to flying on AS on the LAX-GDL flights??? Maybe you should try AM or Volaris.

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 46):
I'll take the A330!

You'll have to go to LAX or LAS for those for the time-being.
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Wed May 09, 2012 3:07 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 46):
I'll take the A330!

I'd rather have the A330 too. But I won't hub for it.  

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PlanesNTrains
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RE: Alaska Airlines OPS To Hawaii

Wed May 09, 2012 5:25 am

Quoting AlnessW (Reply 44):
Does AS no longer do intra-California and Mexico? I thought that former-QX as well as mainline AS did a bunch of those routes.

They do. Sorry, I'm being a little general in my statements. What I mean is that at one time AS had a more substantial (though not large) intra-California network. While they do have some intrastate service, it is mostly recent Q400 additions. Otherwise, they are rarely an option for most people compared to past years.

With Mexico, they used to have a more sizable presence but have had to pull back on capacity due to the violence down there. Again, they still fly a lot of planes there, but it's quite a bit less than past years.

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