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Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 9:36 am

Hiya,

My dad is captain on British Airways 737's and I went on a turnaround with him LGW-BRI yesterday and he told me about a BA 737-400 that may be written off at Genoa, Italy (GOA).

It was on the ramp and somebody hit it with a stairs vehicle. It ripped through the fuselage and you could see into the cabin. Apparently it went through the fuselage like a can opener!

A special team from Boeing was sent out to assess it and to repair the 737, they would have to build a special hangar around it at Genoa Airport so BA are currently deciding whether to declare it W/O given that they will be retired in 2014 anyway.

I THINK it was G-DOCU (can't be sure) but my dad said it was one of the better ones anyway.

Anyone have any more info on this?

Thanks

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Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 9:51 am

Happened on 30th April and has been at GOA since.

I believe they would need to set up a hangar around it to do the repairs - but I believe its fate is currently being decided. Ie it is not feasable to get it fixed at GOA and it can't be flown elsewhere.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:07 am

Very definitely DOCU. Wonder why it couldnt be flown even a short distance unpressurised, maybe could make damage worse I suppose. Write it off and get some funding for a new one !
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:10 am

Quoting LGW340 (Thread starter):
It was on the ramp and somebody hit it with a stairs vehicle.

I have seen the picture. The gash is at elbow height about 4 ft long in front of the fwd cargo door,
It said it was a baggage truck, but your dads a captain so he must be right.
Its below floor level, so not much gabin to see.

Didn't know a Boeing team was there! BA usually does this themselves.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:29 am

from BA source

Quote:

30th April 2012 - G-DOCU Genoa Technical Issue.
Boeing 737-476 G-DOCU operated BA2688 London Gatwick - Genoa this morning however the return BA2689 was cancelled due to the aircraft being damaged by a ground vehicle.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:41 am

Its good news however for Titan Airways, who have despatched a 757 to LGW on hire to BA.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:46 am

...paid for by the ground companies insurance no doubt !
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 11:02 am

Can't it be taken to the Piaggio facilities that are right at the airport?
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 12:39 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 4):
from BA source

Quote:

30th April 2012 - G-DOCU Genoa Technical Issue.
Boeing 737-476 G-DOCU operated BA2688 London Gatwick - Genoa this morning however the return BA2689 was cancelled due to the aircraft being damaged by a ground vehicle.

Too bad the "BA Source" got the aircraft technically wrong - it's a 737-436.
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 12:47 pm

Probably an innocent mistake as they also write the Qantas Source. QF = 737-476
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 3):
I have seen the picture.

any chance you can post it or a link to it?

Quoting LGW340 (Thread starter):
but my dad said it was one of the better ones anyway.

which are the better Gatwick 734's? DOCM-DOCZ? ie. the newer ones or is there another pattern?
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 1:43 pm

Sad to hear; have flown on this aircraft very often, mostly on JER-LGW/vv; it's a twenty year old aircraft, so if the damage is too costly, they have take the decision to write it off.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 1:45 pm

Quoting Tristarsteve (Reply 3):
It said it was a baggage truck, but your dads a captain so he must be right.

It may very well have been a baggage truck, this is just what he has heard from other pilots

Quoting Rafabozzolla (Reply 7):
Can't it be taken to the Piaggio facilities that are right at the airport?

Would have thought it would be too small for a 737-400?

Quoting irregking (Reply 10):
which are the better Gatwick 734's? DOCM-DOCZ? ie. the newer ones or is there another pattern?

Don't think there is any pattern to 'the better ones', just which ones are less worn. I've flown on nearly all of them and some of them really do feel like they are falling apart while others aren't as bad
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 3:33 pm

Quoting LGW340 (Reply 12):
It may very well have been a baggage truck

It was. The skin is punctured. The gash is 7 feet long.
A team of BA Engineers from LGW are there. Some temporary repair plates are being manufactured at LGW and the aircraft will be ferried to LHR for assessment/permanent repair.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 4:07 pm

Anybody have any pictures of this?

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 4:36 pm

Quoting LGW340 (Thread starter):
BA are currently deciding whether to declare it W/O

In all probability, BA probably won't have a say in this, it'll most likely be down to the insurers ....
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 4:42 pm

At this point the repair would have to be pretty cheap.

734's hull value is getting so low that they may be a W/O if they run out of fuel on the taxiway.
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 6:00 pm

Quoting LGW340 (Reply 12):
some of them really do feel like they are falling apart while others aren't as bad

Are they as bad as a Biman F.28...?
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 6:30 pm

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 7:34 pm

It all depends on what's damaged.

If it's skin, well, airlines do skin jobs all the time.

If it's frame/electrical/other ... that's a whole different ballgame.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 9:16 pm

Hard to believe that a 7 foot gash did not hit something expensive.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:40 pm

here you go, looks pretty bad if u ask me:


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/img20120504wa0001.jpg/
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:47 pm

Something seems to be hanging out half way along.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Mon May 07, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 21):
here you go, looks pretty bad if u ask me:

Someone is looking for a new job today...
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 12:26 am

Nothing a little speed tape won't fix!
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 1:49 am

"When in doubt, duct it"
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 2):
Write it off and get some funding for a new one !

Rest assured, the insurance adjusters on behalf of the underwriters will make the call on that even if that is what BA would like to do.

I should add though that a company like BA would probably have a policy with a large deductible. If so, they may have to swallow the loss (whether or not a hull loss of a 734 would come in under the deductible amount I have no idea) but I suspect BA may not have control on the decision.

[Edited 2012-05-07 19:27:03]
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 5:22 am

Quoting by738 (Reply 2):
Wonder why it couldnt be flown even a short distance unpressurised,

That depends on the structure. The unpressurized part isn't an issue (without pax, of course).

Quoting starrion (Reply 16):
734's hull value is getting so low that they may be a W/O if they run out of fuel on the taxiway.

   I think you're referring to the 735.  
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 21):
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/img20120504wa0001.jpg/

Are those rivits pushed in? In other words, structure damaged?

Quoting clickhappy (Reply 24):
Nothing a little speed tape won't fix!

   I think a bit of glue and a staple gun might also be required.

Quoting Gulfstream650 (Reply 26):
Rest assured, the insurance adjusters on behalf of the underwriters will make the call on that even if that is what BA would like to do.

Even if the plane is returned to service in 2015 too...

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 6:10 am

Such a shame. Have such great memories of these birds, especially DOCL and DOCF back when world tails were still around....
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 9:07 am

How did the baggage truck get to that area forward of the door anyway?
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 9:12 am

Quoting BA777 (Reply 29):

Probably spinning round with some trailers in tow trying to get as close to the door as possible. That is a loooong gash as well...
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 9:13 am

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 21):

here you go, looks pretty bad if u ask me:

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/254/img20120504wa0001.jpg/

Technically a repair should be no problem. But the 734 is a type currently being retired from the fleet, and this plane is already 19 1/2 years old, so why should they repair it?
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 9:30 am

Quoting planefixer (Reply 9):
Probably an innocent mistake as they also write the Qantas Source. QF = 737-476

Also some of the ex-QF/TN 737-376s fly in BA colours in South Africa for Comair

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 08, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 21):
here you go, looks pretty bad if u ask me:


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images....jpg/

Wow thats some gash! Think someone would of have lost their job over this!! I remember flying this aircraft MAN-LGW. BA have always looked after their aircraft, can't tell this plane is approaching 20 years old.

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 15, 2012 11:50 am

Any update on GDOCU's status? Rumour has it she's been ferried to London.

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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 15, 2012 12:01 pm

The information I've read said that DOCU was ferried from Genoa to LHR in the afternoon of the 13th as BAW9279, "presumably" for repairs.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 15, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting LGW340 (Thread starter):
Apparently it went through the fuselage like a can opener!

Well the skin is very thin on airplanes. If the ribs are damaged/cut/broken, that brings up the structual integrity question. Repairing and replacing the skin is relitively easy for airlines, but repairing/splicing rib frames is a whole different subject.
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 15, 2012 2:09 pm

Yes OCU is inside the BA TBA hangar at LHR.
A Boeing repair team are making it as good a s new (well as good a sit was last month!)
 
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RE: Possible BA 734 Write Off At Genoa, Italy

Tue May 15, 2012 7:59 pm

That doesn't look that bad. Even with the frame damage, and there is. It looks like they hit it just below a previous repair. rip the old one off and make it bigger! The frame splices are pretty cut and dry stuff also. Airlines fix this kind of stuff all the time.

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