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Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 9:42 am

Hawaiian Airlines announced today it will begin service from Honolulu to Chitose, Japan on November 1, 2012 serving it's newest Japanese city 3 times per week. Chitose is the gateway to the city of Sapporo on the northern most island of Hokkaido.
The route will be flown with a Boeing 767-300 aircraft. The flight will depart CTS on Wednesday's, Friday's, and Sunday's at 9:00pm and arrive in HNL at 9:00am the same day.
This will be HA's 4th Japanese destination following service to HND, KIX, and FUK.
I cannot find a link to the announcement yet in English as this new service was just announced today in Japan.
The link from the Daily Yomiuri News in Japan (In Japanese) can be found here:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/e-japan/hokkaido/news/20120509-OYT8T00663.htm

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 10:33 am

Once again, hats off to HA, and their expansion into the Pacific rim. I am always pleased to see HA going further. I hope to see HA adding more Pacific destinations as time goes by. Very impressive expansion lately. Hope to see AKL soon.   
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 2:30 pm

Here is the US press release.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/hawaii...apporo-fourth-japan-120000782.html

Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do. Thus historically CTS-Hawaii service has been more checkered. Its good they are only launching with 3x weekly service as a result.
Hopefully HA enters the market in a partnership with local tour companies to provide a decent traffic base to work off.

Schedule is:
Tu/Th/Sa
HA441 HNL-CTS 1445-1900
We/Fr/Su
HA442 CTS-HNL 2100-0915
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 2:49 pm

How is HA doing on its Japanese flights? Is Hawaiian filling the planes and what about yield? (I don't suppose HA publishes that sort of info)
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 3):
How is HA doing on its Japanese flights? Is Hawaiian filling the planes and what about yield? (I don't suppose HA publishes that sort of info)

Considering HA didn't even serve Japan until a few years ago and with this announcement will now serve four destinations in Japan, I'd say they're doing REALLY well. Japan point of sale leisure routes don't have to be full because the yield tends to be huge, especially to the US given the current exchange rate differences.

CTS will do very well seasonally for HA since it gets so cold in Hokkaido in the winter. This is the first truly seasonal Japanese leisure route that HA is trying, so it'll be interesting to see how long it takes HA to figure this out. Would not be surprised to see NGO next.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 5:37 pm

Congratulations to Hawaiian Airlines! This will benefit tourism and economy in Hawaii!

HA is really taking it to JL and NH! JL only offers seasonal charters to CTS.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 5):
HA is really taking it to JL and NH!

I thought that HA was in a code share agreement with NH? I agree that they are really taking on JL.

Congrats to HA....and the Islands of Hawai'i with the added revenue.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 10:15 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Schedule is:
Tu/Th/Sa
HA441 HNL-CTS 1445-1900
We/Fr/Su
HA442 CTS-HNL 2100-0915

So the eqp spends 26 hours on the ground?
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 10:27 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):

Time advances to next day due to International Date Line. A/C on the ground 2 hours.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Sapporo is a bold move. CTS is a smaller market (Sapporo population mere 1.9 million) but due to it being on its own island of Hokkaido cannot generate connection (via rail for instance) demand from broader Japanese mainland cities that the other gateways do.

HND-CTS has long been the world's busiest air route in number of passengers.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Wed May 09, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
HND-CTS has long been the world's busiest air route in number of passengers.

Yes because its an island and people need to get back to the capital Tokyo.

However it produced rather meager market for international demand. As mentioned above even JAL has not consistently been able to link Sapporo with Hawaii over the years.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 2:23 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Hopefully HA enters the market in a partnership with local tour companies to provide a decent traffic base to work off.

I'd imagine HA works pretty closely with JTB already, shouldn't be hard to bring CTS into the fold.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 3:16 am

I think can probably pull this off, the Yen is crazy expensive compared to the dollar, so HA can probably charge the right amount to get pax yet still make money from the favorable conversion. Suprising how AA, UA, PMNW and PMCO missed the chance on getting into this market, I suppose DL is the only legacy that is trying HA to Japan.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 3:21 am

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
Once again, hats off to HA, and their expansion into the Pacific rim.

Wow, so most likely am going to fly this route next year for the snow festival! Thank you HA 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 3:30 am

HA is really filling the void left when JAL (Jalways) axed all these non-Tokyo, Osaka, & Nagoya flights. Even the existing flights were seriously downgauged from 747s to 763s.
The only other major city left is Sendai which was served daily, at its peak, with JL DC-10s. Not to mention Nagoya too.
The Sapporo route was run daily with DC-10s at its peak.

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 5):
HA is really taking it to JL and NH! JL only offers seasonal charters to CTS.

NH wouldn't even dare to start a heavy leisure route outside of Tokyo, so its not as if HA is taking traffic away from NH.
As I have mentioned, JL has dramatically downsized its Hawaiian operations, so HA is really competing for traffic that would otherwise go to an Asian beach resort destination like Bali.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 4:31 am

I really thought that HNL-NGO would have been the next city served in Japan
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 5:12 am

The HA flight would eliminate people in Hokkaido having to fly down to NRT or HND to get to HNL.

NGO may be the next Japanese destination for HA, but UA and JL are there ...

The only other destination I could think of would be HIJ, which JL serves HNL on seasonal charters.

Many pax from the 1st HA FUK flight were JTB customers ...
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 5:19 am

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 16):
NGO may be the next Japanese destination for HA, but UA and JL are there ...

It's DL, not UA.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 5:49 am

WOW! I don't think many of us saw this coming. Here is an airline I flew about 10 years ago that merely offered interisland, service to a handful of West Coast gateways, and a pair of niche South Pacific routes. Now they are constantly pushing into new realms like the East Coast, Australia, Southeast Asia, and secondary Japanese markets! I can't wait to see what could be next!

I'm surprised to see them adding another Japanese market. I might have expected BNE/MEL, filling the void left by Air Australia, or stuff like SIN, HKG, AKL, GUM, NGO, TPE, PVG, or PEK. For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese! Moreover, even though the yen is very strong right now, the Japanese economy still isn't doing all that well.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 6:26 am

I'm very impressed and pleased to see HA is expanding its Pacific network to its 4th destination in Japan.

What other destinations in Asia Pacific could possibly follow next? I'd be thinking of AKL and TPE.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting carpethead (Reply 14):
JL has dramatically downsized its Hawaiian operations

I can remember in the early to mid 90's, seeing JL aircraft (mostly 742's) wrapped around the Ewa concourse arriving one after another early to mid morning, quite a sight to see and an impressive operation.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 7:00 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese!

The same goes for UA and DL for their flights between Japan and Hawaii. That is just the nature of the market.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 7:00 am

Good on HA I say!

AKL has been mooted i've heard, no idea where they are at with it. NZ are increasing HNL.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 7:16 am

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 22):

I believe with PER going B772 that means HNL remains B763 as the B772 was originally planned, but is the spare B763 going HNL?
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 23):
I believe with PER going B772 that means HNL remains B763 as the B772 was originally planned, but is the spare B763 going HNL?

HNL is a 772 June through August that was what was announced. PER changes in SEP but HNL is sposed to go 4 weekly 763s over next summer though it may only be 3 which is up from 2 last summer.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 8:14 am

My bet is Nagoya next too- or they'll bite the bullet and do Narita if they can't get the more coveted Haneda slots.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 12:17 pm

I don't think HA will fly to NGO because besides the direct competition from other airlines, the city of Nagoya--being a mandatory stop for all Shinkansen high-speed trains (including the fastest Nozomi service)--means the people of Nagoya could take the Shinkansen to Kyoto or Shin-Osaka stations and then transfer to the Haruka limited express train to KIX airport.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 12:41 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 7):
So the eqp spends 26 hours on the ground?

No, the plane spends 2 hours on the ground.
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 1:23 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 3):
CTS will do very well seasonally for HA since it gets so cold in Hokkaido in the winter. This is the first truly seasonal Japanese leisure route that HA is trying, so it'll be interesting to see how long it takes HA to figure this out

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Thu May 10, 2012 2:54 pm

My ultimate dream would be for HA to announce PER. As far fetched as it sounds, I really think that there is a niche Perth-Hawaii and Perth-USA market that, with the right advertising, could sustain a 3 x weekly service - especially if it connects to all the major US destinations (LAX, JFK, SEA, SFO, LAS etc)
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 7:13 am

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 29):

I'm sure there are many West Australian residents who would be more then happy to fly HA direct to HNL and onto mainland USA for PER if it means avoiding a domestic - international connection in Australia. Maybe even enough passengers to sustain 4x weekly if HA could connecting DJ flights to/from PER
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Sat May 12, 2012 12:15 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 2):
Schedule is:
Tu/Th/Sa
HA441 HNL-CTS 1445-1900
We/Fr/Su
HA442 CTS-HNL 2100-0915



Nice 3 night layover for the crew that arrives CTS Sunday night! Or do you think they will reposition to another HA Japanese gateway to work back to HNL?

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Sat May 12, 2012 12:47 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 17):
It's DL, not UA.

We (UA), do fly to NGO from GUM..

UA92

Depart:

7:40 a.m.
Sat., May. 19, 2012
Guam (GUM)

Arrive:
10:30 a.m.
Sat., May. 19, 2012
Nagoya, Japan (NGO)

and

UA171

Depart:
5:00 p.m.
Sat., May. 19, 2012
Guam (GUM)

Arrive:
7:50 p.m.
Sat., May. 19, 2012
Nagoya, Japan (NGO)

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Sat May 12, 2012 4:01 am

Quoting ATTart (Reply 32):

We (UA), do fly to NGO from GUM..

But not from Hawaii, which is what is being talked about in this thread.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Sat May 12, 2012 4:59 am

Quoting ha763 (Reply 33):
But not from Hawaii, which is what is being talked about in this thread.

Yes, I know from Hawaii, and one can get to NGO from Hawaii on United. HNL-GUM-NGO         

[Edited 2012-05-11 22:40:55]

Also this thread is about HA new flight from HNL-CLS not HNL-NGO. All, I did is just pointed out that UA does fly to NGO. Go back an read your post I am responding to. You stated that UA does not fly to NGO. You said nothing about non stop from Hawaii, in your post.


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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Mon May 14, 2012 3:10 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 31):
Nice 3 night layover for the crew that arrives CTS Sunday night! Or do you think they will reposition to another HA Japanese gateway to work back to HNL?

The crews will stay in Sapporo for the layovers. It's just like we did with the SYD service, which was 3x per week for several years, with either a 48 or 72 hour layover. It would be a logistical nightmare, and a lot more expensive, to ship crews into and out of CTS to try and operate other flights. Also, since this is a 763 flight (for now), the only other connection they could make would be to FUK, since both HND and KIX are flown with the 332.

Personally, I'm hoping it shifts over to the 332 someday soon, as I'd love to spend some time there in the winter.

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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Mon May 14, 2012 3:37 am

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
I'm surprised to see them adding another Japanese market. I might have expected BNE/MEL, filling the void left by Air Australia, or stuff like SIN, HKG, AKL, GUM, NGO, TPE, PVG, or PEK. For a non-Asian airline to successfully penetrate the finicky Japanese market so quickly is remarkable, and dare I say, unprecedented? I realize you have UA and DL, but they heavily rely on North Americans and other Asian nationals. These HA flights are probably >90% Japanese! Moreover, even though the yen is very strong right now, the Japanese economy still isn't doing all that well.

There aren't many Americans of non-Japanese descent flying Delta from HNL to Japan. Trust me. The tour operators drive these markets. Both DL and HA have developed strong ties with them.
 
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RE: Hawaiian Announces New HNL-CTS Route

Tue May 15, 2012 3:03 am

I love how HA is expanding! I hope some new Mainland U.S. destinations are coming!

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