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Ex-CO Planes Still Only Using B Gates At ORD

Sun May 13, 2012 3:46 pm

Just noticed while looking through the departure schedules for ORD that all the ex-CO planes are still only being serviced at gates B-1 through B-8 in Terminal 1. Also no pre-merger United planes use these gates. Does anyone know why this is and when and if United is truly one airline all the different planes will be able to use all the gates at ORD ?

[Edited 2012-05-13 09:09:52]
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 3:55 pm

I noticed the same thing in SEA the other day. PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B. Must be taking awhile to integrate in specific cities.

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Sun May 13, 2012 3:56 pm

 

I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 4:00 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.

Did you check their tail numbers ? pre-merge UA 757s have been slowly getting retro-fitted with blended winglets.

These pre-merge UA planes now have winglets ....
N502UA N544UA
N505UA N546UA
N510UA N549UA
N512UA N554UA
N517UA N555UA
N518UA
N525UA
N532UA

[Edited 2012-05-13 09:04:22]
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 4:06 pm

Just speculating to answer my own question ...

But maybe since the work forces are not integrated yet with single contracts, ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.

Does anyone know for sure ?
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 4:28 pm

I hate when this happens but I just found my point isn't really valid.

It looks like an ex-CO 757-300 flies out of gate C-11 today for LAS.

OOPS

Well anyways, still the fact remains that no 737s fly out of any gates other than gates B-1 through B-8 at ORD . WHY ? lol
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 4:38 pm

In any case. it's great to see the amount of cross fleeting happening at ORD. Looks like pre-merge CO metal is now flying to
CMH, PHX, SMF, DCA, LAS, PHL, DTW, MCO, PIT, SEA, BOS, YVR, LAX, FLL, DEN, SFO,

as well as the old CO hubs of CLE, IAH, and EWR.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:01 pm

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):
But maybe since the work forces are not integrated yet with single contracts, ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.




I know that in SJC the workforce is integrated and working both.
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
I've seen (pmCO ?) 757s-with-winglets in C Concourse.
Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 3):
Did you check their tail numbers ? pre-merge UA 757s have been slowly getting retro-fitted with blended winglets.

Plenty of PMUA 757s had winglets already.

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Sun May 13, 2012 5:43 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 8):
Plenty of PMUA 757s had winglets already.

Only 13 so far
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 5:50 pm

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):
ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.

CO wouldn't have had the staff in Chicago to work 8 gates.
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Sun May 13, 2012 6:29 pm

I've noticed the same thing at DCA, last time I was there PMUA still departs out of the C terminal, while PMCO departs out of terminal B.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 6:41 pm

The DCA thing is structurally a little different.... but is next on the list to resolve according to the list of things to resolve.

I am still upset that they're planning to smash everyone into that little side area at DCA which is awful, but I hear the Club is nice.

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Sun May 13, 2012 8:27 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 1):

I noticed the same thing in SEA the other day. PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B. Must be taking awhile to integrate in specific cities.

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ExCO planes use N quite a bit in SEA. Trust me.
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Sun May 13, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting SWALUV (Reply 11):
I've noticed the same thing at DCA, last time I was there PMUA still departs out of the C terminal, while PMCO departs out of terminal B.

Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29. At the same time, the old President's Club near the CO gates 10, 11, and 12 in the B Concourse extension has just been remodeled as a United Club. But the old CO gate 14 is still divided between AS and DL.

If UA could possibly take back gate 14, then that area would make a quite usable little pocket for UA flights.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 9:03 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):

Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29. At the same time, the old President's Club near the CO gates 10, 11, and 12 in the B Concourse extension has just been remodeled as a United Club. But the old CO gate 14 is still divided between AS and DL.

If UA could possibly take back gate 14, then that area would make a quite usable little pocket for UA flights.

It'll help once the DL-US slot swap is done. Delta is still at 65 flights a day out of DCA but will drop to 53 come July. Not sure what the exact plan is, but Delta/Alaska can likely get by with 7 gates for around 57 daily flights; UA would have 5 gates for 38 daily flights. Add in that 13 of those 38 are on RJs which can park at a hardstand at peak times and it should be enough to get both Delta and United in there just fine.

The plan for the old Red Carpet Club in the center concourse and for US to take over the sUA gates has been in the plans for quite some time.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 10:54 pm

Last I checked, the same thing was happening at ATL: PMCO departs out of Concourse D whereas PMUA departs out of Concourse T. I think they might be better off moving all operations to D rather than T because T has half as many gates and is probably in higher demand. I would imagine that DL would be happy to swap some gates with them, assuming the many D gates that are configured for RJs don't mess things up.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 10:58 pm

T is so much more convenient. When AA goes under, UA can have those gates AND their own bag claim, as befits the world's largest airline.

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Sun May 13, 2012 11:00 pm

Well Doesnt post merger United have alot of issues like this?

-DCA
-KBOS (CO flights are still at terminal A)
-London Heathrow - Still old co at terminal 4 and PMUA at terminal 2
-KLAX - Continental flights still use the old continental gates,
KSEA- Still using two different terminals.
KIAH- Anybody knows if United flights are still arriving / departing out of terminal C only, except for the Lima 767 arrival?


Why hasnt the new United integrated the gates, in many mayor airports they are still divided as separate airlines, NWA was integrated with Delta before the merger and they where operating in the same gates even before the merger.
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Sun May 13, 2012 11:06 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 1):
PMUA aircraft still at the UA gates on N concourse. PMCO planes parked at the former CO gates on B.

In my new job, I'm working with United on a project, but they refer to the two as sCO and sUA (s = subsidiary). What is the nomenclature actually in use? Is PMCO/PMUA just a carryover from Delta/Northwest?
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting totesen (Reply 18):
Why hasnt the new United integrated the gates, in many mayor airports they are still divided as separate airlines, NWA was integrated with Delta before the merger and they where operating in the same gates even before the merger.

NWA was not integrated with Delta pre-merger.

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Sun May 13, 2012 11:19 pm

with more and more 737's being deployed at ORD, hopefully we start realigning the rest of terminal B so that I dotn have to sit out in a holding zone waiting for B1-8 available.
 
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Sun May 13, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 19):
they refer to the two as sCO and sUA

After the March SOC date.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 19):
PMCO/PMUA just a carryover

Before the 2010 merger.

In the middle, I guess it's simply CO/UA.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Rumor has it that the United Club overlooking the C Concourse was just quietly sold to USAirways along with the usage rights to UA gates 27, 28, and 29.

This is true:
US will pick up three gates (27, 29 and 31) on the center pier from United Airlines starting July 11. United also has a club in that area that we will rebrand as a US Airways Club and have open for business on July 11 or shortly thereafter.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 12:33 am

Quoting totesen (Reply 18):
KIAH- Anybody knows if United flights are still arriving / departing out of terminal C only, except for the Lima 767 arrival?

The LIM 767 has been arriving at E and departing for SFO from E. Arrival from SFO and departure to LIM has been out of C16. At IAH the PMUA flights use all of the North finger of the North Concourse of C vs. 3 gates. I believe that will change come next month though.
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Mon May 14, 2012 3:18 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 16):
I would imagine that DL would be happy to swap some gates with them, assuming the many D gates that are configured for RJs don't mess things up.

Any gates on D that new UA would be interested in are not held by DL - that side of the spine (south I believe) has US, F9, FL, NK, and probably a few that I'm forgetting.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 17):
T is so much more convenient. When AA goes under, UA can have those gates AND their own bag claim, as befits the world's largest airline.

I think for everyone's sake it'd just be easier to boot AA out to the D gates currently held by sCO and let UA have the entire north half of T (and the bag claim as gigneil mentioned). I doubt this will happen though, AA uses their gates pretty heavily and from what I see sUA hardly uses their 3 except for RONs. While it'd be simpler, I don't think it'd make much sense from a resource utilization standpoint.
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Mon May 14, 2012 4:24 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 20):
NWA was not integrated with Delta pre-merger.

  

Perhaps the poster is thinking of NW and CO, who were integrated in many airports before the DL/NW merger owing to their intimate relationship that dates from the 1990s (think ORD - with the combined President's Club and World Club - or DTW).

With regard to the DL merger versus the UA merger, I think they are in similar places. The places where the integration is easy have integrated pre-SOC. The places where the integration is harder (e.g. BOS and LAX for DL, DCA and BOS for UA) have not.
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Mon May 14, 2012 5:00 am

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 25):
AA uses their gates pretty heavily and from what I see sUA hardly uses their 3 except for RONs. While it'd be simpler, I don't think it'd make much sense from a resource utilization standpoint.

Wellll yessir. But I think the NEW UA could get it back together at ATL. They used to fly to all hubs from ATL, and even had a club right there.

The new UA can compete if they do try now that there are narrowbodies to fly.

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Mon May 14, 2012 5:24 am

Quoting Chicagoflight (Thread starter):

It is because only those gates and ramps are configured for the 737s and 753s yet.
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Mon May 14, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):
But maybe since the work forces are not integrated yet with single contracts, ex-CONs are only able to work those gates and vice-verse for pre-merge UA folks.

I was wondering that...In PHX UA only works on UA metal and DGS works on CO metal....I am aware UA will be absorbing all ground handling functions but when will DGS stop handing the premerger CO planes since CO and UA are one now....
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 am

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 15):
It'll help once the DL-US slot swap is done. Delta is still at 65 flights a day out of DCA but will drop to 53 come July.

What was DL's flight count before the swap with US? I can't imagine that they only swapped 12 flights out?! It's a shame that UA can't be accommodated all on C so as to make it easier to connect to the US ops like it is now. Can't tell you how many times I've been offered a DEN-DCA connecting to US with less-than-60 minute connections; once they're in B that could become a major pain.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:28 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 7):
I know that in SJC the workforce is integrated and working both.
Quoting totesen (Reply 18):
Why hasnt the new United integrated the gates, in many mayor airports they are still divided as separate airlines,

I

I have no idea what the situation on the ground is in SJC, but if the ramp is CO and UA there is no way they are integrated at all...Airport services which includes ramp and airfreight,is still represented by 2 separate contracts from 2 different unions, and therefore can't be integrated at all. Until the IAM and UA agree on a new CBA for the integrated workforce, all legacy UA flights will be handled by UA and all legacy CO flights will be handled by CO. That some airport managers might try to move the process along is understandable, but there is no framework in place to do so yet.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:31 am

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 4):

That's pretty much it! Even though UA/CO merged. It still doesn't mean the MX, ground and crew operations have. When we move to the SEARS tower at the end of the month, UA and CO, although working on the same floor. Will not actually be working in harmony. Once the new pilot contract is done, then we MAY shortly thereafter be able to crew UA and CO flights.

Similarly, the other operations will follow suit at their respective times.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:39 am

Quoting panam330 (Reply 30):
What was DL's flight count before the swap with US?

I believe 96 flights a day.

Quoting panam330 (Reply 30):
It's a shame that UA can't be accommodated all on C so as to make it easier to connect to the US ops like it is now

Not that many people make that type of connection and if US and AA merge, those connections will cease to exist anyway. Bottomline, US desperately needs more gates at DCA with the slot swap and it makes sense to move UA.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:14 pm

Quoting panam330 (Reply 30):
It's a shame that UA can't be accommodated all on C so as to make it easier to connect to the US ops like it is now. Can't tell you how many times I've been offered a DEN-DCA connecting to US with less-than-60 minute connections; once they're in B that could become a major pain.

The only trouble with this idea is that C Concourse has two different wings -- gates 23 to 34 -- and north of that -- gates 35 to 45 -- plus the US-Express operation. Each of the wings has its own TSA security. There is currently *no* way to walk between the wings without exiting and then re-entering security.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:15 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):
CO wouldn't have had the staff in Chicago to work 8 gates.

please remember continental staff did more then work continental at ORD, they also serviced multiple wide body international air carriers prior to the merger, I believe SK and JAL
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:18 pm

Quoting Chicagoflight (Reply 3):
These pre-merge UA planes now have winglets ....
N502UA N544UA
N505UA N546UA
N510UA N549UA
N512UA N554UA
N517UA N555UA
N518UA
N525UA
N532UA

hmmmm, they recently put winglets on the oldest 757s in the fleet yet everyone says they are going to be retired soon? Sounds kind of pointless to me.
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:22 pm

Quoting johnmke (Reply 35):
please remember continental staff did more then work continental at ORD, they also serviced multiple wide body international air carriers prior to the merger, I believe SK and JAL

I know. They also serviced various LFCs at various points (HP, B6, DH). But they did not - and do not - have the staff for a ~60 flight/day mainline narrowbody operation.
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:24 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 36):
hmmmm, they recently put winglets on the oldest 757s in the fleet yet everyone says they are going to be retired soon? Sounds kind of pointless to me.

And CO put winglets on their 735s, and some are now getting E+, which are exiting the fleet.
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:39 pm

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And CO put winglets on their 735s, and some are now getting E+, which are exiting the fleet.

. . . and it's not just CO. WN has a gazillion wingletted 733s. There's nothing to see here.
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:53 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 38):
And CO put winglets on their 735s

Done in 2008 (before the merger).
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Mon May 14, 2012 1:58 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 38):
And CO put winglets on their 735s, and some are now getting E+, which are exiting the fleet.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
. . . and it's not just CO. WN has a gazillion wingletted 733s. There's nothing to see here.

Errrr, little bit of a waste of money there?
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Mon May 14, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
WN has a gazillion wingletted 733s

Flown them many times out of ELP ( ELP- ABQ/AUS/HOU/LAS/LAX/PHX/SAN/SAT ) and unless you knew the difference, you'd *swear* they were 700s   
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 41):
Errrr, little bit of a waste of money there?

In some cases it may be the lessor, not the airlines, paying for their installation in order to increase their value.
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Mon May 14, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 43):

What lessor company is paying for the UA 757 installation?
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Mon May 14, 2012 4:09 pm

We (s-UA) haven't added winglets to a 757 in quite along time. If any were done since the merger was announced it was only 1 or 2. The poster above makes it sound like the 13 were just completed, that's not the case. I have no idea if any other PMUA 757's will get winglets. I have heard yes and no, so your guess is as good as mine.

At ORD the PMCO aircraft are also being worked by PMUA employees at certain gates. I know they have 3 757-300's on the groud during the 1800 bank. They have used gates C9, C11, C19 & B16 that I have seen, besides B2.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 4:49 pm

Quoting Chicagoflight (Thread starter):
Just noticed while looking through the departure schedules for ORD that all the ex-CO planes are still only being serviced at gates B-1 through B-8 in Terminal 1. Also no pre-merger United planes use these gates.

My guess would be that the other gates are not configured for the PMCO 737s. UA has not had any 737s for a couple of years and they last had 733s and 735s.
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 5:07 pm

The 737's will be able to go into any gate that holds a 757 or larger. You're correct though, some of the gates have not been painted to add the 737NG stop marks on the lead in line.

I believe they will need to reconfigure a lot of the gates in the future for several reasons:
737NG wingspan is too large to fit in Airbus only gates.
14 Reconfigured 767-300 with winglets will not fit in existing 767 gates
If more 757's have winglets added or if TATL 757 come to ORD,
and the wingspan on the 787

[Edited 2012-05-14 10:15:56]

Also there are more than 13 PMUA 757 with winglets. Don't have the total with me, but several are missing on that list.


[Edited 2012-05-14 10:18:40]
 
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Mon May 14, 2012 11:02 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):
The only trouble with this idea is that C Concourse has two different wings -- gates 23 to 34 -- and north of that -- gates 35 to 45 -- plus the US-Express operation

The C terminal has two concourses.  

I think that a permanent tunnel needs to be built between the two. Or an outside little walkway along the ramp that would be easy to do.

I mean the little bus is fine, but its 50 feet.

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Mon May 14, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 48):
The C terminal has two concourses

Oh!

Yes, of course.