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UA JFK Operations, 1980's

Fri Oct 13, 2000 12:41 am

United used to operate from Terminal 9, which was then "fused" with Terminal 8 to accomodate AA's expansion at JFK. Does anyone know any traffic figures, destinations served, etc...for United from JFK back in the 1980's?

 
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RE: UA JFK Operations, 1980's

Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:20 am

United at JFK in the 1980's:
They used to fly to Tokyo with the 747-200, that I remember. I beleive that they flew to San Francisco with the DC-10 and the 767-200 which was brand new at that time. Denver and Washington Dulles weren't hubs at that time so I don't think they flew to those points. I'm not sure about Chicago because they already had many flights out of LaGuardia and Newark, at that time the majority of the flights to Chicago from the New York area were 727's. I remember seeing back in 1985 a United DC-8 leaving out of Kennedy, it was probably going to San Francisco. So to make it clear, they probably flew to San Francisco and Tokyo. United had no flight to Europe at that time, Pan Am and TWA were the two dominant airlines at JFK.

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RE: UA JFK Operations, 1980's

Fri Oct 13, 2000 2:28 am

Actually, UA started operating JFK-NRT in 1986 after it acquired the Pacific routes of Pan Am. San Francisco and Los Angeles, as well as Seattle/Tacoma were all served on a nonstop basis from JFK. Other than that, United had a huge terminal and very few flights. DC10-10's, B767-200's, and the 747-200 were the UA aircraft seen there, from what I remember.

United started flying to Europe in 1990 with flights from ORD and IAD to Paris and Frankfurt. In 1991, UA acquired Pan Am's Heathrow routes.

In 1997, United switched from a 747-200 to a 747-400 to operate the JFK to NRT flight. The 747-200 had trouble making the route nonstop on a regular basis because of head winds. I flew the 747-200 to NRT in November 1996 and we had to make a refueling stop in Sapporo. Two weeks later, the same thing happened to a colleague.

United has since bifurcated its ops at JFK, with LAX and SFO operating from T6,
the old and decrepit TWA domestic terminal. LHR, EZE, GRU, SEA, SJU, BOS, IAD, NRT, and soon, HKG (CLK) are served from the BA terminal, #7, which is also being remodeled.

United has never been a major operator at JFK. However, it does succeed with its O&D strategy to the cities it serves.
 
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RE: UA JFK Operations, 1980's

Fri Oct 13, 2000 4:56 am

In the new T5/T6 merged linear terminal, United will have 18 gates!! Jetblythe (just kidding, I love Jetblue) will have 14 gates, while TWA will have 11.

What will United do with all these gates? It is almost a doubling of their current gate occupation...

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