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AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 5:46 pm

American Airlines has submitted an application with DOT to increase Brazil flying as follows:

*Increase New York-Sao Paulo from 7w to 14w effective 01 October 2012. This new flight will be a daylight service and operate with a 777-200ER. American will transfer GRU-eligible frequencies currently used on MIAGIG to JFKGRU; it is therefore technically applying for 7w MIAGIG frequencies.


*Increase Miami-Rio de Janeiro from 7w to 14w effective 15 December 2012. This new flight will operate with a 767-300ER. This is in addition to the 7w frequencies it is applying for to use current MIAGIG slots on JFKGRU.

*Split Miami-Salvador-Recife-Miami operation from a daily round-robin to five weekly non-stops each effective 15 November 2012, operating with a 757-200. AA is applying for a total of three frequencies to makes this change.

With this application, though, we can likely say that plans to service Porto Alegre and Curitiba, which AA's Brazilian head of sales confirmed are planned recently, are probably not going to to happen in 2012.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ame...onal-brazil-frequencies-2012-05-16



[Edited 2012-05-16 10:50:47]
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 5:55 pm

I think they are focusing on adjusting current services to South America then ramping up new services once things are more clear on the bankruptcy front as well as taking new a/c which will improve their overall fleet plan.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:34 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Split Miami-Salvador-Recife-Miami operation from a daily round-robin to five weekly non-stops each effective 15 November 2012, operating with a 757-200. AA is applying for a total of three frequencies to makes this change.

So is this an indication that the route is doing well and needs split or is this an indication that the route is struggling and needs a split to work better.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:35 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):

So is this an indication that the route is doing well and needs split or is this an indication that the route is struggling and needs a split to work better.

AA does not tolerate weak performing long-haul stations. If SSA/REC were not doing well, AA would have discontinued service.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:35 pm

Is not AA incresing frequencies to BSB this summer?
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:42 pm

Expected that AA would concentrate on increasing Brazil....that is about the best place to put aircraft. However...this is pretty much running the hell over TAM.....AA has been consistent on out flying their oneworld partners into their home stations lately...quite surprised the hometown oneworld carriers put up with it.....especially the LanTam group.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:42 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
AA does not tolerate weak performing long-haul stations.

*cough* DEL *cough*
 
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Wed May 16, 2012 6:49 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 6):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
AA does not tolerate weak performing long-haul stations.

*cough* DEL *cough*

Route did just fine until Air India and Ethiad started fare wars, and it became extremely difficult to compete. ORDDEL even survived the 2008 fuel crisis - for a reason.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 6:58 pm

Interesting that DFWGIG stays at 3/week.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 7:02 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Interesting that DFWGIG stays at 3/week.

Tragic is a better word I'd use to describe this, over interesting.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 9):

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Interesting that DFWGIG stays at 3/week.

Tragic is a better word I'd use to describe this, over interesting.

It was a winter-only seasonal service when it was launched 18 months ago. It's now year-round. Do you have any evidence of it's "tragic" performance?

DFWGIG isn't a route I'd expect to be very strong by any means, but there is nothing to show it's been "tragic."
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Wed May 16, 2012 7:54 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Interesting that DFWGIG stays at 3/week.
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
Tragic is a better word I'd use to describe this, over interesting.

Well, a tragic performance that makes AA boot a whole DFW-SCL flight in favour of DFW-GIG:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/ameri...d-then-unloaded-what-happened.html
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 8:08 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
ORDDEL even survived the 2008 fuel crisis - for a reason.

The $120+ oil was rather short lived. Not cancelling the route during 08-09 recession does not equate performing well.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Route did just fine until Air India and Ethiad started fare wars

Is EY a friend or an enemy now ? Does OZ and NH hold a grudge at SQ for walking all over them ?

And if AA were truly as "premium" of a brand as some allege, AirIndia (Ryanair, long haul edition) should not be a concern.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 8:50 pm

The DOT application is in.

AA seeks 17 new weekly frequencies for service changes starting October 1.

1) MIA-GIG transfer to fund 2nd JFK-GRU
Current 7 weekly frequencies assigned to MIA-GIG which are usable to serve any point in Brazil will be transferred to begin second daily JFK-GRU flight effective Oct 1st.
AA accordingly request 7 new frequencies to "backfill" in order to maintain current MIA-GIG flight.

2) MIA-REC & MIA-SSA
Request 3 additional frequencies to add to the current 7 weekly used to operate round-robin service.
AA proposes to separate Recife and San Salvador flights, with 5 weekly nonstops in each market utilizing B757 equipment effective November 15th.

3) MIA-GIG Part 2
Request 7 additional frequencies, to allow AA to launch a 2nd daily MIA-GIG service using B767-300 equipment effective December 15th.

Proposed schedules are:

2nd JFK-GRU
AA987 JFK-GRU 1000-2045 77W
AA958 GRU-JFK 0740-1635 77W

New stand alone MIA-REC
AA292 MIA-REC 2320-0820 757
AA293 REC-MIA 1035-1705 757

New stand alone MIA-SSA
AA977 MIA-SSA 2325-1025 757
AA968 SSA-MIA 1145-1645 757

2nd MIA-GIG
AA901 MIA-GIG 2025-0800 763
AA990 GIG-MIA 2315-0515 763


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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
The $120+ oil was rather short lived. Not cancelling the route during 08-09 recession does not equate performing well.

A route lasting seven years does. You think its a coincidence that what AA ran out of the market just as low-cost structure competition arrived? Nope.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
Is EY a friend or an enemy now ?

EY and AA have no anti-trust, so I'm not sure what you are trying to imply. Are you saying EY and AA should break the law and cooperate on Chicago-India?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
And if AA were truly as "premium" of a brand as some allege, AirIndia (Ryanair, long haul edition) should not be a concern.

That logic applies to premium markets. There is nothing premium about Chicago-India. When a state-ran airline is dumping fares like Air India does, it becomes difficult to make a profit. But Air India has the government backing it up.
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Wed May 16, 2012 9:20 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
It was a winter-only seasonal service when it was launched 18 months ago. It's now year-round. Do you have any evidence of it's "tragic" performance?

DFWGIG isn't a route I'd expect to be very strong by any means, but there is nothing to show it's been "tragic."

I don't believe it was winter-only service at the time of the announcement.

And by tragic, I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't alleging that it was a poor performer, but I was hopeful that it would eventually increase in frequency by this time, considering that this is GIG we're talking about here.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 12):
And if AA were truly as "premium" of a brand as some allege, AirIndia (Ryanair, long haul edition) should not be a concern.

Have you even flown AI before??? Their long-haul product, even in Y, is far superior to every single US carrier long-haul, and most European carriers.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Route did just fine until Air India and Ethiad started fare wars, and it became extremely difficult to compete. ORDDEL even survived the 2008 fuel crisis - for a reason.

It still perplexes me why everybody on a.net is so obsessed with the AA ORDDEL cancellation. The nonstop US-India environment, plain and simple, is simply too low-yielding and price conscious to remain viable. AA could not sustain the premium demand on the flight but then again, neither could DL nor AC, for the exact same reasons.

I am flying EWRDEL in August and noticed how UA has kept this route in a 2-class config (and sadly, without Y+) and I wonder if most likely it is because Delhi and Mumbai do not warrant an aircraft with an F cabin.

Regardless, AI should not be credited with driving AA out, given that they themselves are bleeding money on the same route. Rather, the fact that AI is GOVERNMENT PROPPED ought to be attributed for their sole survival on all of their US-India routes.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/blo...ending-chicago-delhi-service-65956
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 10:21 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 15):

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
It was a winter-only seasonal service when it was launched 18 months ago. It's now year-round. Do you have any evidence of it's "tragic" performance?

DFWGIG isn't a route I'd expect to be very strong by any means, but there is nothing to show it's been "tragic."

I don't believe it was winter-only service at the time of the announcement.

It was, although I believe the confusion comes that it was "double" seasonal, as in it did not operate in the shoulder seasons around April/May/early June and September/October/early November.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 10:24 pm

Can someone clarify to me if CNF and BSB flights to MIA will become daily after peak season? Or it is jus a seasonal increase?

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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 10:48 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Proposed schedules are:

2nd JFK-GRU
AA987 JFK-GRU 1000-2045 77W
AA958 GRU-JFK 0740-1635 77W

Interesting that this flight will be a 777W. Will it overnight at JFK, or is there another city that will get a 777W service?
This also connects nicely, to HND.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 11:01 pm

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 20):
Interesting that this flight will be a 777W. Will it overnight at JFK, or is there another city that will get a 777W service?

The plane operating this route would otherwise be sitting on the ground all day at GRU. So it could be the 77W from DFWGRU redeye, for example.

However, the application states 772 in one place and 77W in the other, so too early to tell.

Quoting CNForever (Reply 19):
Can someone clarify to me if CNF and BSB flights to MIA will become daily after peak season? Or it is jus a seasonal increase?

Reduced again in the fall to 3w CNF/5w BSB; back to daily for the winter.

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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Wed May 16, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting flyguy1 (Reply 20):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Proposed schedules are:

2nd JFK-GRU
AA987 JFK-GRU 1000-2045 77W
AA958 GRU-JFK 0740-1635 77W

Interesting that this flight will be a 777W. Will it overnight at JFK, or is there another city that will get a 777W service?
This also connects nicely, to HND

A bit strange putting the 77W on the daylight flight... specially with such an early depart on the GRU-JFK leg. I would assume that AA would use the 77W on the redeye.

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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Thu May 17, 2012 2:04 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Reduced again in the fall to 3w CNF/5w BSB; back to daily for the winter.

Interesting to see that CNF is far more seasonal than BSB. How long does the reduction last in the fall months?
 
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Thu May 17, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
2nd JFK-GRU
AA987 JFK-GRU 1000-2045 77W
AA958 GRU-JFK 0740-1635 77W

Are all JFK to GRU now 77W ?
 
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Thu May 17, 2012 2:06 pm

So how many 77W will AA have by october?
 
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Thu May 17, 2012 4:44 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 15):
Have you even flown AI before??? Their long-haul product, even in Y, is far superior to every single US carrier long-haul, and most European carriers.

That's the best laugh I've had in a while. Long-haul Y hard product is rated only 2 or 3 star at Skytrax, depending on category (and ranks very poorly on "Washroom Cleanliness" across F/J/Y) :

http://www.airlinequality.com/Airlines/AI.htm

There's a reason StarAlliance wants to throw them under the bus, and EK is eating their lunch not because of fare wars.

The only Indian-based airline with an acceptable on-board product (that's still flying) is 9W. But if you wanna choose AI over COdbaUA, BA, LX, then be my guest.
 
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Thu May 17, 2012 5:52 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 24):
That's the best laugh I've had in a while. Long-haul Y hard product is rated only 2 or 3 star at Skytrax, depending on category (and ranks very poorly on "Washroom Cleanliness" across F/J/Y) :

I got an even bigger laugh when you used SkyTrax to support your position. If you had any clue what you're talking about, or have even bothered to keep up with the times, you'd know by now most people generally regard SkyTrax rankings as an absolute joke.

Air China as a 4-star airline? Get real.

And Garuda? While they've made a noticeable turnaround in recent years, they were also blacklisted by the EU for the better part of a decade. Also a "Four Star Airline" according to SkyTrax.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 24):
There's a reason StarAlliance wants to throw them under the bus, and EK is eating their lunch not because of fare wars.

Yes, I am sure that Star has only sinister intentions when it comes to doing business in India. AI may not have its sh*t together, but Star knows that when dealing with the GoI, it's either Air India or bust. If they want to allow LH to bring their shiny A380s into India, then they cannot afford to burn any bridges.

And frankly, EK is not eating anyone's lunch. Their lunch is actually being eaten by fuel prices and rising unit costs as they continue to expand. If Air India does manage to get its act together and eventually become part of Star, that could actually present a gigantic nightmare for Emirates. Asian carriers are reinvesting in their product offerings and as global alliance memberships provide increasing value for consumers, EK will soon discover it is at a competitive disadvantage. Especially as aircraft age continues to mature and costs will increase as it has to upgrade its product to keep abreast with the competition.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Thu May 17, 2012 6:03 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Reply 23):
So how many 77W will AA have by october?

None. First one will be in November 2012. So, all this talk of any of these flights in October being a 77W are wrong.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 2:18 am

I just think AA took too long to make some of the additions.

And now, JJ is able to react even more:

4 77W to replace 4 A332 on GRU-JFK/MIA
GIG-JFK to become daily (or more)
GIG-MIA to become A332 with First Class
CNF-MIA and BSB-MIA to become Daily B763

A new route to MIA, MCO or a daylight GIG-JFK to be announced.

In the end, JJ will add more seats than AA, from more gateways, and can even challenge AA in the Northeast if they decide to run GIG-SSA/REC/FOR-MIA daylight.
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Fri May 18, 2012 3:03 am

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
In the end, JJ will add more seats than AA, from more gateways, and can even challenge AA in the Northeast if they decide to run GIG-SSA/REC/FOR-MIA daylight.

On pretty much every measure AA is ahead of JJ, not to mention the pseudo-business-class cabin of JJ's 767s.

The best read from AA's and JJ's changes is that even with addition of service from multiple secondary cities in Brazil, GRU and to some extent GIG still drive long-haul travel in Brazil.
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 3:49 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Split Miami-Salvador-Recife-Miami operation from a daily round-robin to five weekly non-stops each effective 15 November 2012, operating with a 757-200

It's interesting how the MIA-REC market has worked totally different as compared with ATL-REC, based on the sustainability of the routes.
The northeast expansion in Brazil assumed by Delta Air Lines flying to Recife, Fortaleza and Manaus some years ago failed catastrophically. On the other hand, AA is applying to split the MIA-SSA-REC-MIA service which is a sign of progress.




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Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 27):
And now, JJ is able to react even more:

4 77W to replace 4 A332 on GRU-JFK/MIA
GIG-JFK to become daily (or more)
GIG-MIA to become A332 with First Class
CNF-MIA and BSB-MIA to become Daily B763

Is this an official announcement?



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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 6:20 am

With all these frequencies between AA and JJ, will it make ATI impossible given the lack of US flight competition from other Brazilian carriers?
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 12:21 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 31):
With all these frequencies between AA and JJ, will it make ATI impossible given the lack of US flight competition from other Brazilian carriers?

In order for American carriers to apply for anti-trust immunity, their partner must be based in a country with which the United States maintains an open skies policy, or at least in the process of moving towards open skies. So long as the US-Brazil bilateral remains restrictive, American and TAM will be limited in their cooperation.

IIRC, the bilateral is set to go to near open skies in 2015, in which case they'll be able to apply.

Back to your point, a potential immunized alliance between American and TAM would make them by far the most dominant carrier in the US-Brazil market, but a few years down the line, Delta & Gol and United & Avianca will make substantial inroads into the market.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 12:31 pm

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 32):
Back to your point, a potential immunized alliance between American and TAM would make them by far the most dominant carrier in the US-Brazil market, but a few years down the line, Delta & Gol and United & Avianca will make substantial inroads into the market.

The dominance between AA and TAM will virtually guarantee that they are going to be required to make at least some concessions if they want to get an ATI and/or JV approved a few years down the line. U.S.-Brazil will be Open Skies within a few years, but like with the U.K., it will ultimately all come down to slots at GRU and how airport capacity there grows in coming years. I could definitely see AA/TAM being forced to give up peak GRU slots sufficient to operate at least 1 MIA-GRU flight (which so many have suggested Delta wants to seve), plus also possibly another pair of peak GRU slots to be made available for something else.

All that being said, no combination of partnerships and/or slot/route authority concessions are ever going to be enough to make Delta or United equal the combined dominance in the U.S.-Brazil market of AA and TAM. That is partly due to the fact that AA is obviously the 800 lb gorilla from the U.S. to South America, and TAM is Brazil's only real global airline. But, it is also driven largely by the fact that Delta and United simply don't have hubs as well-oriented for U.S.-South America as AA does - Miami being of course the key.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 12:58 pm

Does anyone know when we can expect an announcement from LANTAM regarding which alliance they will be choosing?
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 1:09 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 33):
The dominance between AA and TAM will virtually guarantee that they are going to be required to make at least some concessions if they want to get an ATI and/or JV approved a few years down the line. U.S.-Brazil will be Open Skies within a few years, but like with the U.K., it will ultimately all come down to slots at GRU and how airport capacity there grows in coming years. I could definitely see AA/TAM being forced to give up peak GRU slots sufficient to operate at least 1 MIA-GRU flight (which so many have suggested Delta wants to seve), plus also possibly another pair of peak GRU slots to be made available for something else.

With Delta's recent year long effort on MIA to LHR proving a dud why would it want to do Miami-GRU against a similar situation of two strong incumbents ina JV. DL should add a GRU flight from one of its hubs.
 
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RE: AA Applies To Expand MIA/JFK-Brazil Flying

Fri May 18, 2012 4:34 pm

Quoting incitatus (Reply 28):
On pretty much every measure AA is ahead of JJ, not to mention the pseudo-business-class cabin of JJ's 767s.

JJ uses now:
Almost 8 A332 3 B763 on US-Brazil routes

Will use
4 B77W, 8 A332 and 2 or 3 B763. GIG and GRU will be all A332/B77W

AA uses
6 B772, 8 B763, 2 B752

Will use
2 B77W, 4-6 B772, 10-12 B763, 2-3 B752

I have to say the quantity of 763 among total fleet deployed in TAM will be less than AA's equipment. And while AA is scheduled to update their B763, TAM will be returning theirs 3

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 29):
Is this an official announcement?

No, but the info given confirms most of it.
You can count with the 77W on JFK-GRU, you can imagine that 15 frequencies being added will be 7 7 1.
The one.... is to make JFK-GIG daily (now 6x weekly)
Seven.... to be added as MIA-GIG will become A332 (GIG is an Airbus A330 int'l crew base and it is clear they might focus to add more A330 there) and 2 B763 will be free, one will be used with 4 CNF / 3 BSB weekly
Seven... the only doubt. I was thinking about a second plane to MEX... now it is clear will become:

763 or A32A goes to MAO-MIA (exclusive). Daylight GIG-MIA non-stop or thru stops
763 goes to Northeast (Brazil)-MIA service daily (something like they did with CNF/BSB)

Quoting miaami (Reply 33):
Does anyone know when we can expect an announcement from LANTAM regarding which alliance they will be choosing?
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Fri May 18, 2012 5:13 pm

Don't forget AA MIA-MAO with 738
 
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Fri May 18, 2012 7:17 pm

Quoting miaami (Reply 33):
Does anyone know when we can expect an announcement from LANTAM regarding which alliance they will be choosing?

I'm trying to understand recent moves by JJ and AA. AA is advancing over markets consolidated by JJ while JJ is looking to grow at FRA and CDG while their GIG-LHR will continue 3x weekly only. Among the 3 routes GIG-Europe is the sole one to an OW hub....

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 34):
With Delta's recent year long effort on MIA to LHR proving a dud why would it want to do Miami-GRU against a similar situation of two strong incumbents ina JV. DL should add a GRU flight from one of its hubs.

They have ATL, JFK and DTW and the last one continues not to be such a stronger performer. MIA as you well said, it is not their powerhouse and would be hard to sustain.
New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !