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How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 12:02 am

Looking the photographer comments to this photo:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=a382d493cd98936dfdb27732b730fd07

and looking the livery and the location, it is clear that this aircraft will carry the Olympic flame from Greece to London, UK.
Now... is this a "symbolic" flight, with the torch off and no flame of any kind, or they conduct a special flight with the cabin empty ( with only a few persons for control and safety ) but with the torch on in some sort of special compartment ??
Sorry if this is a moronic question, but I 'm intrigued, on one hand, I "know" that the flame shouldn't be turned off, and OTOH, I know that a flame inside an aircraft is not precisely a standard practice in the industry...       ...

Can someone clarify??

Thanks in advance !!

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:07 am

IIRC, they have somesort of special compartment. It's not like this is the first time the olympic flame has flown.

Also, I think there is just a tiny flame, closer to that of a lighter during the flight. I've read an article about it, but that was a long time ago (for Beijing olympics), I'll see if I can find it, but I'm sure there are users here that can tell you precisely how BA will do it.

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:11 am

This is from Vancouver Olympics:

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/torch_12_04/t06_20913821.jpg

they even separated the flame into 6 flames, and I'm guessing this is in case something happens to one of them, they still have spares (and quite a few spares). Keeping the flame going seems to be important!

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:30 am

And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 1):
IIRC, they have somesort of special compartment. It's not like this is the first time the olympic flame has flown.
Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
This is from Vancouver Olympics:
Thanks !!! I wasn't too far from reality this time !!!  
Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.

LOL !!

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 3:08 am

BA - ''2012'' aircraft name 'Firefly' and the flame will be brought to the UK by the British delegation on Friday evening and fly into RNAS Culddrose in Cornwall where a welcoming ceremony will be held. On Saturday Morning it will begin it's 8,000 mile criss-crossing journey around the UK in a 70 Day relay ending at the Olympic Park.
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 5:07 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Now... is this a "symbolic" flight, with the torch off and no flame of any kind, or they conduct a special flight with the cabin empty ( with only a few persons for control and safety ) but with the torch on in some sort of special compartment ??

I don't think you need to take that level of precaution; as long as the flame is protected from being blown out and from lighting the surroundings on fire, it's not really a big deal. Airliner main cabins don't have smoke detection or fire suppression and the airflow rate is more than high enough to take care of the byproducts and oxygen supply.

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 6:28 am

Interesting photo from the Vancouver Olympics. I did wonder how they would transport the flame
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 8:15 am

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 5):
the flame will be brought to the UK by the British delegation on Friday evening and fly into RNAS Culddrose in Cornwall

It will be covered live from Culdroser on the BBC1 TV programme, The One Show. It will be covered betweeen 1900 and 2000 BST.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 9:37 am

This is the answer BA gave on their facebook page:

"..The flame is not extinguished during the flight, so we don't have to worry about having a sunny day when it arrives. The flame has been classified as a 'ceremonial flame' by the Civil Aviation Authority, and they have given us permission to transport it whilst still alight. The Torch will be kept in a Davy lamp in a special cradle strapped to a seat. It has got enough smoke-free fuel to keep it going during the flight. Hope this helps!"

That was a response to 'Vernon Lodge School' in the photo's comments section.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb....431612.76903425829&type=3&theater
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 9:42 am

I seem to remember that in 1996 when DL were the official carrier bringing the flame to ATL they had a bracket fixed to one of the bulkheads which allowed the torch to be carried. If memory serves me right the torch is allowed to have a supply of flammable material (be it gas or liquid I do not know) to ensure the flame stays alight.

I have been looking through the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations to see if they had anything listed for this very occassion (without any success although I am sure I saw an entry for it a few years ago).
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 9:45 am

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 3):
And since the TSA won't be involved, it's in no danger of being blown out.

Hehe.......although by the time it gets through UK customs and immigration, it may well have blown itself out!
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 10:33 am

The flame can stay alight for upto 30 hrs
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 11:59 am

Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 6):
I don't think you need to take that level of precaution; as long as the flame is protected from being blown out and from lighting the surroundings on fire, it's not really a big deal. Airliner main cabins don't have smoke detection or fire suppression and the airflow rate is more than high enough to take care of the byproducts and oxygen supply.

Tom.

Thanks Tom. Your logic is right ( as usual ). But I'm one of those who "hope for the best but make plans for the worst"... so I imagine a scenario with a flame, a flammable gas or liquid feeding it... it only needs a big shake from a clear air turbulence ( assuming they will choose a "good day" for flying ) and you can get into trouble if you are not well prepared, with the container secured and some surveillance from trained people.

One final doubt remains.... is this flight only available for the Olympic delegation or they had some seats available for Joe Public too ?

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 12:45 pm

We used to smoke on airliners, and more often than not they did not catch fire!   

I would guess this flame will be in a much more controlled environment than Joe Public was with his clipper lighter or a book of safety matches
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:04 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 13):
is this flight only available for the Olympic delegation or they had some seats available for Joe Public too ?

Old Uncle Tom Cobly and All are in Greece for the handover ceremony.

UK personnel returning on BA2012 range from Seb Coe, Chairman of the London Organising Committee for the Olympic Games, through Boris Johnson, Mayor of London and footballer David Beckham to the main British player in Athens, Pricess Anne, the Princess Royal. She will accept the flame as it is handed over from Greece to the UK in the Athens Olympic Stadium.

So the question is will a 319 be big enough to bring the flame, its technical support team and the whole of the British Olympic party back to the UK or will some need to travel by a scheduled flight.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 1:19 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 15):
So the question is will a 319 be big enough to bring the flame, its technical support team and the whole of the British Olympic party back to the UK or will some need to travel by a scheduled flight.

After reading the names you listed, I think they have their OWN planes if the A319 fills up  

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 2:44 pm

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 11):
Hehe.......although by the time it gets through UK customs and immigration, it may well have blown itself out!

The next Olympics will have started by then.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 5:31 pm

Well the British brought the weather with them today  http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/lond...rom-greece-to-london-live-coverage

Lucky the weather was better during the main events :

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/ap_greece_olympics_london_flame_16May12-878x592.jpg

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/_60231094_greekturk_140512.jpg

Link to BA special livery arriving into ATH yesterday :

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Briti...d=e8b08f8e9ee94d3be3d8db0ccd5f568d

Hoping to see some photos of the BA 2012 departing ATH .
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 6:42 pm

TV news showed the Olympic Flame after its presentation to Princess Anne in a full sized torch being carried to the British Embassy in Athens in a Davey Lamp that looked exactly like those pictured for the Vancouver Winter Games by CXfirst in Reply 2.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 9:50 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):
This is from Vancouver Olympics:
Quoting booforty (Reply 7):
Interesting photo from the Vancouver Olympics. I did wonder how they would transport the flame

The flame for the Vancouver Winter Olympics was carried on a Canadian Air Force A310 from ATH to YYJ (Victoria, B.C.) on October 30, 2010, where it became its long trip (28,000 miles) through all parts of Canada before arriving in YVR for the official opening of the games.

 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Thu May 17, 2012 10:47 pm

I was at CYYJ the morning it arrived, unfortunately the wind changed for the arrival and i didn't get a great shot, but here is the picture on my flickr account of the airplane landing.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbvp...tography/4059564812/in/photostream
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 1:14 am

I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 3:03 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 22):
I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)

That reminds me of the time during the 1976 Montreal Olympics when the wind blew out the cauldron. A groundskeeper lit a newspaper on fire and threw it into the cauldron to relight it. The IOC was not impressed.  
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 11:35 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 22):
I am sure at least one crew member carries a match or a lighter, just in case... (who would know anyways...)

I think they address the issue of the flame being extinguished by always having a back-up. For example the phooto in Reply 2 shows four sets of two - ie eight - Davey lamps. So eight flames.

For the Athens 2004 Olympics there was a world wide relay. The flame was carried from country to country in two Air Atlanta Icelandic 744s. I do not think that how many flames each aircraft carried was revealed:


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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 12:18 pm

Here's some more info for you:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18006750
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 12:32 pm

BBC just reported live from ATH . BA 2012 is soon to depart.

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/c27dcac5.jpg

David Beckham has been visiting a Greek school in Athens and was given a great reception by pupils and teachers.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 25):
Here's some more info for you:

Many thanks !!! Very interesting reading, the captain is used to VIP flights, so that helps to keep the nerves down... and a crew of three ( 2 pilots - 1 F/O ) will also be a relief.



Quoting OA260 (Reply 26):
BBC just reported live from ATH . BA 2012 is soon to depart.

Wow, the weather is not helping too much apparently !!! Anyway, I'm sure everything will be OK.

Let's hope the media keep us informed with some sort of "live stream" regarding this flight and the arrival to the UK.

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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 27):
Let's hope the media keep us informed with some sort of "live stream" regarding this flight and the arrival to the UK.

Live on TV - BBC1 1900 to 2000 hrs.
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 3:01 pm

BBC News 24 is currently (1600 hrs Friday 18 May) showing a video of two of the lamps being fitted into their cradle in the front row of seats on The Firefly (G-EUPC).
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 4:02 pm

on flightradar24.com now
http://www.flightradar24.com/BAW2012
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:07 pm

Tracking it now, Tried on flightaware and thought i wouldn't be able to, So thank you for reminding me of flightradar24  

Looking forward to watching it land.
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:14 pm

Hmm blown out and heading back?!


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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:32 pm

Now on the ground at Culdrose. Let's go Team GB!!
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:34 pm

The stickers on the front of the plane are peeling off already...
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 6:36 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 34):

I thought the exact same thing when they zoomed in.

Poor job as money is tight?? lol
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 7:14 pm

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 34):

Noticed that too! Not good  
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 7:25 pm

Here's the BBC plane landing article.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18093410

And the video http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18121941

The paint job doesn't look amazing :/
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 9:28 pm

It's almost back at Heathrow. So the pain will fly in this livery for another 12 months?
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 10:08 pm

Lots of coverage of this in the UK on BBC1, BBC News Channel and Sky News.

Great moment for BA and Britain!
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Fri May 18, 2012 11:15 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 24):
For example the phooto in Reply 2 shows four sets of two - ie eight - Davey lamps. So eight flames.

I count six.
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Sat May 19, 2012 9:31 am

Oops, Post 38 should have said plane not pain, haha
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Sat May 19, 2012 9:48 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGlIgIcAiQg

hes a video of the highlights of the event!

Quoting threepoint (Reply 40):
Quoting VV701 (Reply 24):
For example the phooto in Reply 2 shows four sets of two - ie eight - Davey lamps. So eight flames.

I count six.

there were actually only 3 of the flames, taking up seats 1A and 1B

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/may/18/olympic-torch-flight-uk
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Sat May 19, 2012 11:37 am

Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 42):
there were actually only 3 of the flames, taking up seats 1A and 1B

4 flames actually.

Quote:
The Olympic flame and its three understudies

The Olympic flame plus 3 back ups.
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Sat May 19, 2012 12:50 pm

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 43):
Quoting speedbird9 (Reply 42):
there were actually only 3 of the flames, taking up seats 1A and 1B

4 flames actually.

Quote:
The Olympic flame and its three understudies

The Olympic flame plus 3 back ups.

my mistake!
 
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RE: How This BA A319 Will Transport The Olympic Flame?

Sat May 19, 2012 10:56 pm

I thought the plan was to use the flame to start both engines. That way the flame helps power its own way to the UK.

Using it to light both engines provides a backup in case one engine fails and illustrates the improbability of a dual engine failure, cementing the safety of ETOPS in the mind of the traveling public.

Upon landing, the torche(s) are re-Kindled (sponsored by Amazon) from one of the running engines and begin their tour of the UK.

Very simple really.  

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