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Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:09 pm

Service to begin in October 3 times weekly. Reported on Bloomberg.
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:14 pm

Seems a bit strange given that they operate this route from Heathrow as well. Are there any other long-haul routes operated from both?

Mind you the LHR flight seems to be completely full every time i've looked at it, so i'm not surprised to see additional frequencies, but the LGW flight is a little strange....
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:19 pm

From Webwire -

British Airways is launching another new high rolling route from Gatwick with the start of flights to Las Vegas from October 29 2012.

The three-times-a-week service will be operated by a three-class Boeing 777 offering a premium Club World cabin with fully flat beds.

The new Gatwick route offers more choice and frequency from London airports. Together with the Heathrow service British Airways will operate 10 flights a week to Las Vegas.

Colm Lacy, British Airways’ head of commercial Gatwick, said: "Las Vegas has proved to be an incredibly popular year-round destination from Heathrow so we are delighted to now be able to offer the route from Gatwick as well.

"This is the kind of destination our leisure customers at Gatwick are looking for and it will complement our existing USA and longhaul leisure network"
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 1):
Are there any other long-haul routes operated from both?

No, I do not think so.

Of course there are quite a few short haul destinations served from both. These include AMS, BLQ, FCO, GLA, MAN and VCE.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:38 pm

This is more like the need the capacity to serve their tour operator contracts but those contracts are now eating into the growing LAS yields out of LHR....so lets move the BAHolidays etc traffic to LGW and leave LHR to make more money.

No point in adding a flight from LHR that eats up a valuable slot for holiday traffic.
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 1:53 pm

Actually it's a good fit for LGW, indeed I was a little surprised it wasn't launched from there in the first place. All good for Gatwick!
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 2:05 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 1):
Are there any other long-haul routes operated from both?

not anymore long haul.. but used to be Miami, plus the occasional Barbados.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting scrappy27 (Reply 6):
not anymore long haul.. but used to be Miami, plus the occasional Barbados.

Along with JFK, LAX, DXB, & AUH.

Edited to add TLV.

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 2:51 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
This is more like the need the capacity to serve their tour operator contracts

Then why the 3-class aircraft? Doesn't seem like a good fit for a mostly holiday crowd.

Maybe they just didn't have the slots at LHR to increase existing capacity and could onyl expand service by adding LGW?
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 8):
Maybe they just didn't have the slots at LHR to increase existing capacity and could onyl expand service by adding LGW?

They just obtained ~44 odd slots from the BD purchase, so there would be no problems adding frequency from LHR if needed. It's a yield related issue for sure like yellowtail said

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 3:38 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 8):
Then why the 3-class aircraft? Doesn't seem like a good fit for a mostly holiday crowd.

BA only have long haul aircraft configured with four (F/J/W/Y) or three classes. Even their three purely-holiday-destination 772s that are dedicated to Carribean and Florida routes from LGW are configured J40 / W24 / Y219. Their more conventioinal three-class 772s based at both LGW and LHR are configured J48 / W24 / Y203. The 744s operating the LHR-LAS route are 'Mid J' configured - that is F14 / J52 / W36 / Y235.

There are several different configurations for four-class 772s. But the most common is F14 / J48 / W40 / Y122.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 4:12 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 8):
Quoting yellowtail (Reply 4):This is more like the need the capacity to serve their tour operator contracts
Then why the 3-class aircraft? Doesn't seem like a good fit for a mostly holiday crowd.

Maybe they just didn't have the slots at LHR to increase existing capacity and could onyl expand service by adding LGW?

3 class is as low as it gets on BA !

I recall that the aircraft rrquirements for long haul at LGW didn't used to be particularly well balanced, some days 7 aircraft required, sometimes 8, infrequently 9. These 4 flights may well be using up spare capacity.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 5:08 pm

I too think it a little odd to start this service but agree with skipness that it probably should have been launched from LGW in the first place. I guess this proves they are committing to LGW.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 7:14 pm

If it is using up spare capacity for the sake of expanding the holiday package business, great! If it is a way to use a plane to route people from secondary European markets to LAS without taking up valuable seats at Heathrow, great. But, and I really hope it's not this, if it's "VS has had great success with it's LGW-LAS flight, let's go rain on it's parade"... then I worry about what that will do to both BA and VS. As someone who works in the Vegas tourism industry I want anything that will bring more tourists here...and put more money in my pocket... but I worry if this won't harm both flights in the long run.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 8:10 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
Y122.

nit picking sorry... it's 124  
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 13):
If it is a way to use a plane to route people from secondary European markets to LAS without taking up valuable seats at Heathrow, great. But, and I really hope it's not this, if it's "VS has had great success with it's LGW-LAS flight, let's go rain on it's parade"... then I worry about what that will do to both BA and VS. As someone who works in the Vegas tourism industry I want anything that will bring more tourists here...and put more money in my pocket... but I worry if this won't harm both flights in the long run.

Its none of that, its just good business sense. The route is one of BA's best performing currently and its simply a method of expanding capacity using the trend data they have no doubt accumulated.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting by738 (Reply 15):
The route is one of BA's best performing currently

Blimey - how do you know this?
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 12):
it probably should have been launched from LGW in the first place.

Then you wouldnt have the feed that the LHR flight has. Are there a lot of PAX connecting onto the LAS flight?
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 9:47 pm

Yes, there are. Many Scandinavian, German and French customers connect onto our LAS. BA was indeed correct in launching from LHR. The yield is spectacular and the route is constantly rammed. Why does anyone assume LHR-LAS would be a mediocre performer?

It is BA's most successful long haul route launch of the last twenty years!

Expect it to go A380 early on.

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 10:00 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 18):
It is BA's most successful long haul route launch of the last twenty years!

The reason I thought it would be a good LGW bet was that it seemd to me to be a leisure route, indeed Virgin were the first onto London-Vegas and LGW it was and remains. Not complaining....
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 10:50 pm

It was an inevitability in my opinion, we're one of the only countries in Europe that flies to LAS directly, let LHR take the Euroland transit traffic, and LGW the UK O&D. Quite a nifty operation.

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 11:07 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 18):
Expect it to go A380 early on.

I remember asking around if the new T3, which will take all of the international flights at LAS, is being built to handle A380's and was told no.

That being said, there is an open house for T3 on June 9th so maybe I can ask the staff at the airport directly when I go to that.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Thu May 17, 2012 11:35 pm

Flight numbers and days of operation announced yet?
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 12:00 am

BA2277 LGW1130 - LAS1505 77Y 136 29Oct-03Nov
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BA2276 LAS1655 - LGW0945+ 77Y 136 29Oct-03Nov
BA2276 LAS1555 - LGW0945+ 77Y 136 03Nov-

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 12:16 am

I wonder if geography is a factor here as well. Maybe they have seen alot of the customers are closer to gtw. They have all the people's addresses so with some quick gis work they might see lgw for this destination as better for a decent amount of people? Just a though but with gis software and people's addresses its easy to see if alot or enough are coming from the south or burbs anyway. I'm thinking there is a reason to do the unusual split especially for just three more flights. Every time I'm at las near this flights check in it looks packed to the gills and a total hit! Congrats to ba las seems to be a big hit
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 1:59 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 18):
Yes, there are. Many Scandinavian, German and French customers connect onto our LAS. BA was indeed correct in launching from LHR. The yield is spectacular and the route is constantly rammed. Why does anyone assume LHR-LAS would be a mediocre performer?

Which means other carriers are taking notice. I would bet we will see LH or AF at LAS soon.
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 2:14 am

Good to see BA adding service from LGW to the city I call home.

I took the BA 744 from LAS to LHR in mid-July last summer; that plane was, if I may use the cliche, packed to the gills. As I recall, the flight attendants requested that we keep the window shades pulled down for the bulk of the journey to LHR given the departure time (8:00pm-ish) and season (high summer in the Northern Hemisphere). But I was seated in a middle seat in the World Traveller Cabin with a colleague in the aisle seat next to me, and I slept most of the way across the US and the pond, so I didn't mind not being able to see outside. Besides, when we were landing in LHR at around 2:00pm-ish, and the window shades were open, the wings on the 744 were so big you couldn't see much out the window anyway!

I know the LAS service started with a 777, but it will be nice to see both a BA 744 and 777 at McCarran several days a week come this fall.

So, this means that (several days a week, at least) there will be three flights between LAS and London? The BAs to Heathrow and Gatwick, and the Virgin Atlantic to Gatwick? I'm not overlooking a flight to London, am I?

Since I work at the UNLV campus, I often see the Virgin Atlantic 744 departing to Gatwick around 5:30pm-ish, especially if takeoffs are to the northeast. I always feel a little sad that I'm not on it jetting my way to one of my favorite cities in the world!

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 3:08 am

Anyone have a link they could share on this subject? I looked on Bloomberg and couldn't find anything. Plus, I work at LAS and haven't heard this news. Any info would be appreciated.

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 3:17 am

Disregard. I found a link on British Airways' website...

http://press.ba.com/?p=2298

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 7:34 am

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 16):

you havent been keeping up with news direct from
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 8:55 am

Where is this aircraft coming from to cover this route, are they dropping a Gatwick destination in October?
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 9:39 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 30):
Where is this aircraft coming from to cover this route, are they dropping a Gatwick destination in October?

Its mentioned further up that there is currently some slack in BA's LGW B777 flying programme, which , if correct, means that this flight is a "freebie"

This is probably a good bet for BA. I understand the LHR flight is full of connections from Europe and the middle East (hence the relatively late departure time) and they may well have found that BA holidays traffic was eating into that.

I'm somewhat surprised VS hasn't added capacity to LAS (except MAN which will almost certainly see additional frequencies soon) as it was well known that the yields beat all the other U.S. routes. BA's LHR flight was a different market so didn't really impact VS.

Back when VS started flying to LAS it was much more of a "gamble" (sorry) as there weren't really any other European flights, and there was a concern that it would rob traffic from LAX, and to a lessor degree, SFO. In fact, it has very much created its own market.

VS are fiercly protective of MCO and LAS, I wonder if they will respond in any way........

With the new terminal opening next month I would expect LAS to be courting most of the big European carriers for service, I'm sure they will be at least partially successful
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 10:24 am

A very sensible and quite common sense move.

LHR-LAS is massively successful, rare to find many empty seats on the aircraft and the F/J/W loads are consistently excellent.

The flight typically sees half the flight being made up of connections from BA's short haul network.

The 3x weekly LGW service will I believe be successful in targeting O & D demand, tapping into BA Holidays (which I still believe BA could and should make better use of) LGW has an affluent and populated catchment area, and, amazingly to some but many people don't want to fly from LHR and so this flight can operate in tandem with the LHR service and not harm it's loads and more importantly it's yield.

I am sure the service will see some feed from BA's LGW short haul 'network' but it will typically be a very small percentage of the flight, this is not the main focus of the route.

What are people's thoughts more generally on LGW? Do people think BA could sustain and not harm LHR's yields with say an LGW-MIA? an LGW-DXB? SEZ would fit into the Indian ocean portfolio ex-LGW.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 10:49 am

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 32):
What are people's thoughts more generally on LGW? Do people think BA could sustain and not harm LHR's yields with say an LGW-MIA? an LGW-DXB? SEZ would fit into the Indian ocean portfolio ex-LGW.

I love using LGW over LHR (primarily because I can now connect from NQY without travelling up the road). GIP have done a pretty incredible job there so far with the investment programme as well and it would be great to see a few more long hauls operate from there, if it is economically viable to do so. I'm holding out on the dream of flights to the far east and connections to Australia (maybe a 777 with SQ?)

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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 11:52 am

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 31):
VS are fiercly protective of MCO and LAS, I wonder if they will respond in any way........

I would suspect they may increase frequency on both LGW-LAS and MAN-LAS. Would GLA-LAS also work?
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Fri May 18, 2012 4:29 pm

As much as I enjoy reading about new INTL service to LAS I just wonder where these flights will park since there are only so many international gates available. Right now there are only 4 gates capable of servicing aircraft with pax that have to clear customs and that will only increase to 7 once T3 opens in June. Should be interesting to see what happens in the coming months.
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Sat May 19, 2012 9:01 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 30):

The only proposed route to be axed from LGW is MRS - which is moving to LHR.
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Sat May 19, 2012 10:54 am

Quoting readytotaxi (Reply 30):

The BA2039 ends in October, which is where the aircraft will be released from
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Sat May 19, 2012 1:43 pm

Quoting planefixer (Reply 37):

But remember when the 2039 is dropped for the winer the 2153 3xweekly begins for the winter
 
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Sat May 19, 2012 2:07 pm

Quoting heebeegb (Reply 38):

Good point, looking at the LGW-BGI flights for the winter, they are mixing GE / RR powered 777's, curious to know what they are going to move about schedule wise.
 
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RE: Report: BA LGW To LAS X3 Weekly 777

Sat May 19, 2012 11:00 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 36):
The only proposed route to be axed from LGW is MRS - which is moving to LHR.

BA is moving Marseille to LHR? When was that one announced?
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