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N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 5:19 pm

Delta's ship #6314 (N674US) was removed from storage yesterday (05/19) after spending over 50 weeks in the desert. I assume it takes many hours of work to bring it back to operational service. What exactly would be undertaken to accomplish this?
Also is this the next aircraft to go to Singapore for interior mods?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 5:41 pm

catching up on all the service checks and open inspections due, any Airworthiness inspections , the airplane has probably been "pickled" (preserved with covers and plugs) so the aircraft should be in decent shape as the Storage proceedures are going to arrest deterioration.. The engines will require high power runs and ground checks with all the systems exercised for leaks and operation. More than likely for a Ferry flight to where the pre-service work wil be accomplished..The work would not be a major deal unles the airplane had sustained damage.as even corrosion is slowed out in the desert where it's hot and Dry
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting strfyr51 (Reply 1):
The engines will require high power runs

After they put them back on, of course.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 5:57 pm

So is this beautiful beast to add more capacity or swapping out for another aircraft to head to the desert?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 7:02 pm

Is this what I just saw on the way to PHX a few hours ago when I was out running?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...0/history/20120520/1400Z/KMZJ/KPHX
If so, it's on its way to Anchorage now!
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 7:06 pm

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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
and I missed seeing it

Well, your screenname is PHX787, not PHX747.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 7:40 pm

Why is it headed to ANC? Does Delta do a lot of their maintenance there, or is that where they usually do the procedures to put stored aircraft back into service? Or is it going somewhere else after it lands in ANC to have all of that work done?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 8:00 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 8):
Does Delta do a lot of their maintenance there, or is that where they usually do the procedures to put stored aircraft back into service?

Goodness, no.
Greetings from ANC- Delta does NOTHING here. NWCargo used to have a large MX facility here, but it was shut down post-merger.
It's on its way somewhere else.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
Also is this the next aircraft to go to Singapore for interior mods?

There are two mods due out of SIN soon. Flightaware shows N668US enrte from JFK-NRT and then to SIN today and later tonight. It's possible that 674 could go nonstop from ANC to WSAP (PayaLebar) as one of the aircraft out of mods went the reverse route awhile back. The SIN-NRT flight on the 22nd shows a modified 744.

[Edited 2012-05-20 13:53:17]
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 8:59 pm

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
It's on its way somewhere else.

It could be heading to NRT for repositioning, but I highly doubt that.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 9:05 pm

Delta's ship #6306 (N666US) has been completed, and is to be followed by #6301 (N661US) later this month.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N666US

I'm sure that #6314 is on it's way to Paya Lebar Air Base in SIN.

[Edited 2012-05-20 14:07:16]
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 9:34 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
Is this what I just saw on the way to PHX a few hours ago when I was out running?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...0/history/20120520/1400Z/KMZJ/KPHX
If so, it's on its way to Anchorage now!

Minor question: why would it stop in Phoenix on the way to Anchorage? If it's just going to be a positioning flight anyway. Would there be any paperwork or maintenance issues that could be done there but not at Marana?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 13):
Minor question: why would it stop in Phoenix on the way to Anchorage? If it's just going to be a positioning flight anyway. Would there be any paperwork or maintenance issues that could be done there but not at Marana?

Most likely businesswork that DL had to do that they could do at PHX. Also, a lot of planes stop over at PHX before going to Marana. Maybe better fuel services as well for the flight.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 10:25 pm

Quoting audidudi (Thread starter):
Delta's ship #6314 (N674US) was removed from storage yesterday (05/19) after spending over 50 weeks in the desert.

Oh Lord, how I wish somebody would send me to the desert for 50 weeks (paid leave, of course)   
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 10:33 pm

I'm curious why they would be taking this aircraft out of storage. Is there an operational need for additional 744s in service? How many more 744s does DL have in storage?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 10:42 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 4):
Is this what I just saw on the way to PHX a few hours ago when I was out running?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...0/history/20120520/1400Z/KMZJ/KPHX
If so, it's on its way to Anchorage now!

DAMN

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
She flew right over my apartment and I missed seeing it

Don't feel bad, I missed it too

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
Maybe better fuel services as well for the flight.

I would go with the fuel as Marana does not have the turnover of fuel stores like PHX
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Sun May 20, 2012 11:17 pm

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 17):
I would go with the fuel as Marana does not have the turnover of fuel stores like PHX

& probably short runway 6800' + 5~6hrs flight time + 2000' elevation.

Quoting dbo861 (Reply 16):
How many more 744s does DL have in storage?

none
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 12:32 am

With the subject aircraft needing four powerplants installed and several systems probably needing systems flushed and seals checked, I would imagine that one or more LAF(s) - local acceptance flights - need to be accomplished prior to turning the equipment loose for a third if tge way or so journey around the world.
Some of the previous comments have tried to explain that there is more than towing to the flight line, adding crew, and filing a flight plan.

I have no knowledge of how Delta does this return to service of stored equipment, but I have participated in gathering powerplants to enable several DC10s to be flown from the storage facility to a vendor modification facility.

anyway, my 2 cents. So starting the ferry to the vendor facility from PHX makes sense.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 1:14 am

I would be curious to know if the engines were removed prior to long-term storage on this aircraft. I know that when BA returns their B744s from MZJ to CWL, they take several weeks of maintenance work before returning to service; perhaps they are doing either a C or D Check after their long-term storage. I know that they get repainted after all that time in the sun as the paint definitely fades.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 1:35 am

Quoting N14AZ (Reply 15):

It'll be 110°F tomorrow...I will gladly trade with you.


I'm happy to see airplanes flying out of Pinal to go back into service. MZJ was not a happy place for a few years.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 1:47 am

Looks like the aircraft parked at gate 23 (right corner gate) in Terminal 3 in PHX for 1 1/2 hours before continuing on to ANC.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 3:23 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 20):

Well I'm not sure about the engines but I can tell you that the paint doesn't look too bad.
It's not brand-new, but it's not terribly sunbaked either!
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 22):
Looks like the aircraft parked at gate 23 (right corner gate) in Terminal 3 in PHX for 1 1/2 hours before continuing on to ANC.
Quoting aztrainer (Reply 17):
Don't feel bad, I missed it too

Damn, I hope someone at PHX today got a shot of it.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 1:57 pm

Does Delta use its own pilots to fly the plane out of Marana? If so, how do they get their pilots to Marana? It's a bit of a drive from either TUS or PHX.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 2:09 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
Does Delta use its own pilots to fly the plane out of Marana? If so, how do they get their pilots to Marana? It's a bit of a drive from either TUS or PHX.

I would think DL uses their own pilots - they probably have a mechanic or two out there as well to make sure everything is a go before taking to the skies. Considering how many aircraft are at MBJ, I'm sure the base makes arrangements to pick-up (or drop-off) pilots and crew at PHX. It's only about an hour away by car.

Quoting unattendedbag (Reply 2):
After they put them back on, of course.

Were they removed? Usually when aircraft are likely to return to service, the engines would not be removed (unless there was a problem or as part of a check...) Then again, returning to service after a year in storage is quite a long time!
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 3:00 pm

This aircraft was parked in June 2011 when it was coming due for a D-check. N674US will be heading to Asia first for heavy maintenance and then for the interior mods.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):

On a DC-9   
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 3:16 pm

From airline planning and finance points of view, a parked B747 equals four spare powerplants.

An airline/cargo carrier may choose to use the removed powerplants as spares in order to burn off the expensive remaining hours/cycles of the LLP - life limited parts - while not imputing a powerplant removed from a fleet aircraft in order to delay cost of a powerplant (restoration, overhaul, ..) shop visit or to cover for a time when the planned removal rate is higher than the existing number of spares can support. I would imagine (from my experience) that the airline planners would feel more assured with a potential powerplant under their control (i.e., on their ramp) than having to put together a expedition to the desert to gather up said potential powerplant.

Please note that recent photos of FedEx MD10-10 and A310-200 frames parked in the desert in most instances don't have their powerplants installed. Those missing powerplants are stored for future use as other powerplants in those still active fleets are removed for scheduled and/or unscheduled reasons.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
Does Delta use its own pilots to fly the plane out of Marana? If so, how do they get their pilots to Marana? It's a bit of a drive from either TUS or PHX.

It's not that far by car, TUS-MZJ is +/- 45 minutes.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Mon May 21, 2012 7:49 pm

Saw it yesterday at gate 23 when I was going into work...It caught me off guard... I was going to go up and see it but it already left...According to some coworkers they went up said there were no seats.... Seeing that was a great start to the day indeed
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 4:18 am

Few questions: That flight number still hasn't left ANC. Is it still there or did it get a new flight number?
Also: If it was empty, and I mean stripped of seats as the above says, why would it need a stop in Anchorage?
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting 4holer (Reply 32):

I couldn't find the ANC-SIN sector on FlightAware but here is the SIN-QPG flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL9951
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 5:10 am

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 25):
If so, how do they get their pilots to Marana? It's a bit of a drive from either TUS or PHX.

It's a 45 minute drive from TUS or a 1:15 drive down from PHX (maybe more if they stopped at In n Out).
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 5:12 am

Quoting chrisair (Reply 34):
It's a 45 minute drive from TUS or a 1:15 drive down from PHX (maybe more if they stopped at In n Out).

About 3 months ago I saw some UA pilots at the In-n-Out in Tempe and they were en route to MZJ.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 8:27 am

Quoting 4holer (Reply 32):
Also: If it was empty, and I mean stripped of seats as the above says, why would it need a stop in Anchorage?

I would think fuel or maybe a crew change......
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 2:54 pm

Quoting 4holer (Reply 32):
Few questions: That flight number still hasn't left ANC. Is it still there or did it get a new flight number?
Also: If it was empty, and I mean stripped of seats as the above says, why would it need a stop in Anchorage?

See DAL9971, PANC-WSAP, 22May

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...1/history/20120522/1700Z/PANC/WSAP

N661US should come out of modification as the return flight.

[Edited 2012-05-22 07:57:46]
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 2:56 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 33):

N674US is due to leave ANC this morning and fly directly to QPG.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N674US

Correction to my reply 33; there is another 744 on it's way to QPG so a total of four aircraft are having their interior mods done with N661US due to return to service by the end of May.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N668US

The aircraft in QPG right now are N661US, N665US, N668US and N674US.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 4:43 pm

Quoting audidudi (Reply 38):
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 27):

I've been slacking..how many reconfigured a/c are currently in SERVICE? Ships numbers would help too.

And as I understand it, 4 are in mods at the same time as of now.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 39):
I've been slacking..how many reconfigured a/c are currently in SERVICE? Ships numbers would help too.

Back in service: 5 Total

Ships 6302, 6303, 6304, 6306, and 6310

In mods/starting: 4 Total

Ships 6301, 6305, 6308, and 6314

Off-topic, looks like the eigth 767-300ER has been reconfigured with flat-bed seats and is back in service - ship 1601 (N169DZ). I believe this is the first one to be done that wasn't previously a 76T (i.e., no previous nose-to-tail AVOD); this one also has no lower deck pilot bunk; pilots will take a BusinessElite seat as rest seat; in its place is 3 additional Y seats (seats 16C,D,E).
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 10:05 pm

Engines usually have inhibiting oil if stored for long periods. Usually short term storage will just require a ground run. I'm talking about 2-4 weeks here. If longer than this without a ground run then the engines need to be drained of oil and inhibiting oil pumped around. To bring back to service the inhibiting oil is removed and fresh oil topped up. All should be fine for a ground run then.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 11:21 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 40):
Back in service: 5 Total

Ships 6302, 6303, 6304, 6306, and 6310

In mods/starting: 4 Total

Ships 6301, 6305, 6308, and 6314



Thanks. They seem to be churning them out rather quickly.

Quoting panamair (Reply 40):
Off-topic, looks like the eigth 767-300ER has been reconfigured with flat-bed seats and is back in service - ship 1601 (N169DZ). I believe this is the first one to be done that wasn't previously a 76T (i.e., no previous nose-to-tail AVOD); this one also has no lower deck pilot bunk; pilots will take a BusinessElite seat as rest seat; in its place is 3 additional Y seats (seats 16C,D,E).



I was a little disappointed at what seemed like a slow-down in the 763 mods. Hopefully it picks ack up again.
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Tue May 22, 2012 11:34 pm

Quoting panamair (Reply 40):

Thanks for the info. To be clear the lower F/A bunks ARE installed on these a/c.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 2:59 am

Quoting panamair (Reply 40):
In mods/starting: 4 Total

Ships 6301, 6305, 6308, and 6314

Ship 6301 OEW has been changed to the modified ship weight as of today. 6305 is due out in about another 2 weeks, if all goes according to the 6-7wk modification time. I would assume that the crew bringing in 6314 will be returning back to ANC/DTW with #6301.
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 3:10 am

Ship 6301 (N661US) is all ready to return to the US tomorrow.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N661US
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 5:14 am

Quoting audidudi (Reply 45):
Ship 6301 (N661US) is all ready to return to the US tomorrow.

What's up with that weird route plan?
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 5:26 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 46):

I agree. It almost looks like it flies right over the northern part of North Korea, which would definitely be a NO-NO! A direct route of 6,673sm and a planned route of 7,634sm is very strange indeed!

[Edited 2012-05-22 22:29:13]
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 5:52 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 44):
Ship 6301 OEW has been changed to the modified ship weight as of today.

Any idea what the new MTOW is?
 
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RE: N674US Has Left The Desert After 50 Weeks!

Wed May 23, 2012 8:06 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 44):
6305 is due out in about another 2 weeks, if all goes according to the 6-7wk modification time

It should be done before June 7 or 8 as that is when ATL-NRT is scheduled to transition from the 77L to the 74S (while LAX-NRT goes from the 74S to the 777); ATL-NRT would require three aircraft to operate on a daily basis, compared to two for the current LAX-NRT roundtrip.

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