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QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 8:04 am

http://www.news.com.au/business/comp...-jobs/story-fnda1bsz-1226362229977

Living in Queensland this is good for out local economy, but not so for Victoria. AJ claims it could have been easy to offshore, but thinks BNE can be competitive.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 8:36 am

If it lets them retain some of their operations in Australia then I'm all for it. If the government was serious about stopping jobs like these being cut then they'd propose something similar to what they've done in the car industry...
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 8:43 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
If it lets them retain some of their operations in Australia then I'm all for it.

with such a union heavy workforce it is good they have at least kept some jobs in Australia then I am all for it. But as a Victorian yes it is sad for those workers, some I know.

In saying that though the flyers want price, but to get to price they need to cut costs. To cut costs they need to consolidate, to consolidate they need to close bases.

I am still amazed that with the amazing amount of traffic that is Sydney that they have a maint' base there.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 8:54 am

they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

the other thing to take from this - AVV will no doubt close when the last 747 departs the fleet (if not sooner).
 
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Mon May 21, 2012 9:17 am

given that Tullamarine was only supposed to exist for a few years it's remarkable that it lasted 14 years. Most have known for a long time that this day might come, much longer than a few months too.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 9:30 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

At this rate, thats the only way they will actually hit their cost reduction target to remain competitive.

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):
the other thing to take from this - AVV will no doubt close when the last 747 departs the fleet (if not sooner).

I think AVV may well be around for quite a while yet, looking after the 767 fleet until they go may well be on the radar. Time will tell. Its workforce is contracted which gives it some flexibility afterall.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Thread starter):
Living in Queensland this is good for out local economy

For the time being. Whens that contract with the Qld govt end? It was a very key reason Qld kept its role in the mx ops, along with it being a newer facility.

Quoting qantas077 (Reply 4):
given that Tullamarine was only supposed to exist for a few years it's remarkable that it lasted 14 years. Most have known for a long time that this day might come, much longer than a few months too.

Very true. Its been on the chopping block for a long time. Its hardly a shock.
 
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Mon May 21, 2012 9:51 am

As already mentioned, hardly a shock that QF have made this decision. The usual melodramatic statements from the unions are to be expected, but it is obviously still a blow to the industry in this state.

On a more personal note, I was sad to hear this news because the MEL maintenance base was my first real-world exposure to the inner workings of the aviation industry. I completed my year 10 work experience course here (many moons ago) - I didn't realise it at the time, but it ended up being two of the most formative weeks of my life thus far!
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 3):

they moved heavy maintenance from SYD to MEL/AVV, now moving it to BNE.... next step will be NZ or S.E. Asia.

Thats a big leap you have taken there. BNE provides a perfect place for maintenance as the base is relatively new and has a lot of room to expand. Time will tell, but for now I am just glad the jobs are remaining in Australia
 
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Mon May 21, 2012 12:18 pm

i want to know why people either forget or choose to forget that DJ do alot of their maint. in New Zealand, but when QF decide to maintain a certain fleet off-shore its so criminal?
Im all for jobs on-shore to, but also, i need to remain in a job, so getting rid of maint. bases that are not needed anymore, is a good thing for the overall airline.
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Mon May 21, 2012 1:54 pm

Truemanqld, it comes down to wages mainly and the cost of delivering the service.

Also keep in mind the key reason that QF chose BNE was because it was the only option, given the contract with the Qld govt. Who knows what will come next in their planning when that expires.

In the next decade, unfortunately I can see line maintenance as the only mx undertaken in Australia. This is step one in a move to make them competitive, but it's fairly clear that the cost of completing this work in this country is not going to be a positive aspect of that goal.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 2:19 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
If the government was serious about stopping jobs like these being cut then they'd propose something similar to what they've done in the car industry...

You've got to be kidding. Why should Aussie taxpayers subsidise private enterprise jobs if there is no longer a business case to support them. The auto industry has been propped up for years with no benefit whatsoever to taxpayers. No one has ever subsidised my job so I dont see why my taxes should subsidise someone else. It is nothing more than industrial nostalgia - yearning for bygone years and the way we were.
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):

I absolutely 100% agree!! I am simply jumping in before the inevitable government response, which will be to yack on about how disappointing it is to see iconic Australian companies trying to deliberately destroy the Australian economy... Either do something about it, or shut up!!
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 2:39 pm

Goodbye Qantas maintenance Melbourne.......



Hello Jestar maintenance Melbourne............


As if QF as an organisation give up the hangers and space on their lease..... ha!
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 pm

Jetstars mx is carried out next door at MEL with JH. It's definitely not out of the question that JH may take over more space in the future to meet the needs of TT, JQ and it's many other customers.

Not saying any time soon, as someone has failed to read in some of my posts in another forum, but it's an option that may come into play in future.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 2:52 pm

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):
The auto industry has been propped up for years with no benefit whatsoever to taxpayers.


Yes there is some benefit whatsoever to taxpayers, because the auto workers themselves are taxpayers.

The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?

I imagine it can be a net positive in dollars and cents terms if you add up the cost of the auto workers being on the dole and chewing up other public services, and not paying taxes, and not using the services of others, and then the effect on the tax base of the enterprise itself being closed or greatly reduced.

Then you get the other costs that aren't measured in dollars and cents that frequently come with unemployment.

I guess it depends on the amount of "propping", which I do not know. Clearly in some cases such propping can be out of hand, such as Alitalia, where pilots had chauffeured rides from home to the airport being subsidized by the taxpayer.

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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 6:56 pm

JHAS cant maintain what they have contract wise. They dont have the man power to expand let alone increase the workload.

JQ will most probably build their own maintenance and provide QF support as well.

Before long you will see a more 'cost effective' QF company owned service provider under the JQ branding.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 11):

You got me.  
Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?


In the case of the Australian auto industry it does but I wouldn't try to comment on the US auto industry. The Australian auto industry has been building products no-one wants for years and has grown complacent in the knowledge that government support will always be there. If it was a transient thing then there would be some justification for that support.


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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Mon May 21, 2012 11:47 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):

Yes there is some benefit whatsoever to taxpayers, because the auto workers themselves are taxpayers.

The real question is does this benefit cost more than it's worth?

I did an economics assignment on this, and while I'm sure someone a lot smarter and with a lot more data in Treasurey and Finance has also crunched the numbers, going of the information freely available in the public domain we shouldn't be giving a cent to the auto industry (in Australia, can't speak for North America).

The amount pumped in to the industry equates to significantly more per employee than paying each one unemployment. And of course even that is an artificial analogy, since most won't be unemployed since the majority would be able to find other employment even if it's in the Pilbarra.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 16):
The Australian auto industry has been building products no-one wants for years and has grown complacent in the knowledge that government support will always be there

  
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Tue May 22, 2012 7:59 am

Are there many airlines that do their own heavy maintenance these days? Or is it mostly outsourced?
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Tue May 22, 2012 8:03 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):

Truemanqld, it comes down to wages mainly and the cost of delivering the service.

Also keep in mind the key reason that QF chose BNE was because it was the only option, given the contract with the Qld govt. Who knows what will come next in their planning when that expires.

I realise that, and should have made it clearer in my response, I was more pointing to the fact that just because QF is consolidating MX bases, doesn't directly lead to it is next going to go off shore.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 10):
Aviation is one of the most volatile in the world - you either adapt or you disappear. Look what happened to Ansett.

Yes, but to adapt, QF needs a fair playing field. Domestically, it does not have that while it is restrained by the QF Sales Act AND when media is so focused on QF, and would let DJ get away with whatever they wanted. Internationally... well lets not go there again.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Tue May 22, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 19):
D when media is so focused on QF, and would let DJ get away with whatever they wanted. Internationally..

And this is the annoying thing that gets me, the public that dont know the full ins and outs of aviation, yet form a lynch mob when QF does something to improve the company. They are chastised by the unions and media and the public follows.
 
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RE: QF Maintaince Cut From MEL, Moved To BNE

Tue May 22, 2012 9:45 am

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 19):
I realise that, and should have made it clearer in my response, I was more pointing to the fact that just because QF is consolidating MX bases, doesn't directly lead to it is next going to go off shore.

Its not evidence in itself you are right, but its definately something that I am sure they will look towards.

If they can not achieve their value goals from this transformation it will be even ore compelling. The Qld govt deal was a big incentive to stay this time, but once that is up, it will likely be another drama like this one played out.