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OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 3:39 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

AA DFW-EGE DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>3
AA DFW-HDN JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1
AA LAX-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-MVD AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0

JAN 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-EGE DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.1
AA ORD-HDN JAN 0>0.7

Airport opening delay
AB JFK-BER JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.6
AB JFK-TXL JUN 0.0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.4
AB LAX-BER JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.5>0.3
AB LAX-TXL JUN 0.0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2
AB MIA-BER JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0.3
AB MIA-TXL JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.4 AUG 0>0.2

AF IAD-CDG OCT 1.6>1.5 NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0

Another day another change.
*AM FAT-GDL JUN 0.7>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.4 AUG 1.0>0.4
AM LAS-MEX SEP 1.9>3 OCT 1.8>3 NOV 1.9>3
AM LAS-MTY JUL 0.4>0.3 AUG 0.5>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.5>0.3 NOV 0.6>0.3

DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3

*AS PDX-LIH NOV 0>0.5 DEC 0>0.6 JAN 0>0.5
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
AS SEA-DEN SEP 3>4
AS SEA-HNL DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
AS SEA-HNL JAN 2>3
AS SEA-LIH NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.5
AS SEA-MSP JAN 1.1>2
*AS SEA-SNA SEP 8>7 OCT 8>7 NOV 8>7 DEC 8>7 JAN 8>7
AV MIA-BOG JUN 2>3

*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

BW JFK-KIN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
BW JFK-MBJ JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.1
BW JFK-POS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4
BW MCO-POS JUL 0.1>0.3 AUG 0.2>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3 OCT 0.1>0.3
*BW PHL-MBJ JUL 0.6>0.0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC

0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

CA LAX-PEK SEP 2>1.7 OCT 1.9>1.7

CI ROR-TPE JUL 0.5>0.8 AUG 0.6>0.8

DL ATL-AEX SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL ATL-ECP SEP 8>9 OCT 8>9 NOV 8>9
DL ATL-GPT SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7 NOV 6>7 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>6
DL ATL-GSP SEP 10>9 OCT 10>9 NOV 10>9 JAN 10>9
DL ATL-IAH SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
DL ATL-VPS OCT 10>9
DL BOI-MSP OCT 3>2 NOV 3>1.9 JAN 3>2
DL CVG-FLL SEP 1.6>1.1 OCT 1.5>1.0
DL CVG-LAS AUG 0.9>0.6
Another one bites the dust...
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0
DL DTW-AVP OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
DL DTW-ERI SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3
*DL DTW-FSD SEP 0.7>0.1 OCT 0.9>0.4 DEC 0.8>0
DL DTW-MSN SEP 7>8 OCT 7>8 NOV 7>8 DEC 7>8 JAN 7>8
DL DTW-ORF OCT 5>4 NOV 6>5 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
DL DTW-PIT SEP 7>6 OCT 7>6 NOV 7>6
DL DTW-SFO SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5 NOV 4>5 DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5
DL FCA-MSP SEP 2>1.1
DL IND-MSP SEP 6>7 OCT 6>7
DL JFK-ATL OCT 6>5 NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5
DL JFK-SXM JAN 0>0.1
DL JFK-TPA JAN 1.0>2
DL LGA-AVL NOV 1.0>0.1
*DL LGA-GRR OCT 0.9>1.6 NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 0.8>1.5 JAN 0.9>1.6
DL LGA-SRQ JAN 1.0>2
DL LGA-TPA JAN 4>5
DL LSE-MSP OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
*DL MCO-RDU SEP 2>1.1 OCT 2>1.0 NOV 1.9>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
DL MIA-LGA JAN 4>5
DL MSP-PSC SEP 1.1>2.0 OCT 1.0>2 NOV 1.0>2.0 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
DL SLC-ANC AUG 2>1.8

EI BOS-SNN NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.5>0.4
EI JFK-SNN NOV 0.4>0.6 DEC 0.4>0.5

Year over year comparison below
F9 DEN-COS JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4

Year over year comparison below
FL ATL-MDW OCT 6>7
FL ATL-SAT SEP 3>4
FL BWI-ATL OCT 5>6
FL FNT-TPA AUG 0.2>0.1
FL MCO-MSP SEP 0.3>0.0

HA HNL-LIH SEP 18>19 OCT 18>19
HA KOA-OGG SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2
HA LIH-HNL SEP 18>19 OCT 18>19
HA OGG-KOA SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2

KE SEA-SFO OCT 1.0>0.5

LA JFK-LIM NOV 1.5>1.6
LA MIA-LIM OCT 2>3

MW KOA-OGG JUN 10>11

More FLL cuts
NK FLL-GUA JUL 0.7>0.6
NK FLL-KIN JUN 0.9>0.5 JUL 1.0>0.6 AUG 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-NAS JUN 1.0>0.7 JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7
NK FLL-PAP JUL 1.0>0.8
NK FLL-SDQ JUL 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.8

OZ MSP-ORD JUN 0.4>0.1

Q4 PWM-YQI JUN 1.4>0 JUL 1.4>0 AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.3>0 OCT 1.5>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.4>0 JAN 1.5>0

S3 MIA-CCS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4 SEP 3>4

SY DCA-LAN JAN 0.2>0.9
SY LAN-CUN DEC 0>0.2 JAN 0>0.4
SY LAN-MSP JAN 0.2>0.9
SY LAN-PUJ JAN 0>0.1

TA DFW-SAL JUL 0.6>1.0 AUG 0.5>1.0 SEP 0.5>1.0 OCT 0.4>1.0 NOV 0.4>1.0

DEC 0.6>1.0 JAN 0.5>1.0

*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0
UA CLE-LAS OCT 3>4
UA CLE-PHX NOV 2.0>1.2
*UA CLE-SBN AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.4>0.3 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN

1.5>0
UA DEN-ASE DEC 6>8 JAN 7>9
UA DEN-HDN JAN 3>4
UA EWR-BER JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0.7
*UA EWR-CPH AUG 1.0>0.9 SEP 0.6>0
UA EWR-TXL JUN 0.0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.3
*UA EYW-RSW JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0 OCT 0>1.0 NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0

JAN 0>1.0
UA EYW-TPA JUL 7>6
UA FLL-ELH JUL 3>2 AUG 3>2 SEP 3>2 OCT 3>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
UA FLL-FPO JUL 5>4 AUG 5>4 SEP 5>4 OCT 5>4 NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>4
UA FLL-GGT JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3

DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3
UA FLL-TCB JUN 3>2 JUL 3>1.2 AUG 3>1.1 SEP 3>1.2 OCT 3>1.1 NOV 3>1.2

DEC 3>1.3 JAN 3>1.3
UA GUM-OKA JUN 0.6>0.3 JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.6>0.3 SEP 0.6>0.3 OCT 0.6>0.3

NOV 0.6>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.3
UA IAH-MTJ JAN 0>0.9
UA IAH-YEG JAN 1.9>2
*UA JAX-TPA AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
UA LAX-ELP AUG 0>0.9
UA OGG-KOA JUN 0.2>0 JUL 0.1>0 DEC 0.2>0
UA ORD-IAD OCT 8>7
UA ORD-MTJ JAN 0>1.0
UA ORD-YYC SEP 4>5 OCT 4>5
*UA PBI-FPO JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0 OCT 1.0>0 NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0

JAN 1.0>0
UA PBI-MHH JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.3 OCT 1.0>1.3 NOV 1.0>1.3

DEC 1.0>1.3 JAN 1.0>1.3
UA SEA-ANC JAN 1.5>1.1

US CLT-CDG OCT 0.8>0.6
US PHL-SMF SEP 1.0>0.1

VS JFK-LHR NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

VW SAT-SLW JUN 0.4>0

XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1

YV HNL-OGG JUN 8>7
YV OGG-HNL JUN 8>7

B6 loaded their schedule out to January. Following is a *year over year* comparison for B6 for Nov-Jan.
B6 BDL-PBI NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
B6 BDL-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.9>1.0
B6 BOS-AUA JAN 1.1>1.3
B6 BOS-CUN DEC 1.0>1.1 JAN 0.6>0.8
B6 BOS-DCA NOV 7>10 DEC 7>10 JAN 7>10
B6 BOS-DFW NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3
B6 BOS-IAD NOV 4>3 JAN 4>3
B6 BOS-JAX DEC 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-LAX NOV 1.8>3 DEC 1.8>3 JAN 1.9>3
B6 BOS-MBJ DEC 0.3>0.2 JAN 0.4>0.2
B6 BOS-ORD NOV 4>3
B6 BOS-PBI JAN 4>5
B6 BOS-PLS JAN 0.4>0.1
B6 BOS-RDU DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 BOS-RSW DEC 5>4
B6 BOS-SDQ NOV 0.5>0.9 JAN 0.9>1.0
B6 BOS-SJU JAN 3>4
B6 BOS-STI DEC 0.4>0.9 JAN 0.3>0.6
B6 DCA-TPA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 EWR-PBI JAN 2>1.2
B6 EWR-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-BOG NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 FLL-CUN DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 FLL-DCA NOV 1.0>3 DEC 1.0>3 JAN 1.0>3
B6 FLL-IAD NOV 2>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.8>0
B6 FLL-KIN NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
B6 FLL-NAS NOV 3>4 DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
B6 FLL-RDU JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 FLL-SDQ DEC 1.0>0.8
B6 FLL-SJU NOV 4>5 DEC 4>6 JAN 4>6
B6 HPN-NAS NOV 0.5>0.8 DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-AUA DEC 2>3 JAN 2.0>3
B6 JFK-BGI JAN 1.0>0.9
B6 JFK-BOS DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7
B6 JFK-BQN NOV 1.5>2 DEC 1.7>2 JAN 1.8>2
B6 JFK-CUN DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>3
B6 JFK-FLL NOV 10>9 DEC 11>10
B6 JFK-KIN JAN 1.1>1.4
B6 JFK-LAS NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3
B6 JFK-LAX JAN 4>5
B6 JFK-LIR NOV 0.3>0.6 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>1.0
B6 JFK-MBJ NOV 1.4>2 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.1>1.9
B6 JFK-NAS NOV 3>1.9 JAN 1.4>1.3
B6 JFK-OAK JAN 0.9>0.6
B6 JFK-PUJ NOV 1.2>2 DEC 1.5>2 JAN 1.1>1.9
B6 JFK-SDQ NOV 4>5 DEC 6>5
B6 JFK-SFO NOV 1.9>3 DEC 2>3 JAN 2>3
B6 JFK-SJU NOV 6>7 JAN 6>7
B6 JFK-SXM JAN 1.2>1.0
B6 JFK-UVF JAN 0.5>0.7
B6 LGA-RSW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 LGA-SRQ NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 LGA-TPA NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
B6 LGB-IAD NOV 1.4>1.0 DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 LGB-LAS NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4
B6 LGB-OAK JAN 3>4
B6 LGB-ORD NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
B6 LGB-SEA JAN 3>2
B6 LGB-SLC NOV 4>2 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2
B6 MCO-BQN DEC 2>1.6 JAN 1.5>1.2
B6 MCO-BUF DEC 1.2>2
B6 MCO-CUN NOV 1.0>1.4
B6 MCO-DCA NOV 1.4>3 DEC 1.5>3 JAN 1.1>3
B6 MCO-IAD NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0
B6 MCO-JFK JAN 8>9
B6 MCO-LGA NOV 2>4 DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4
B6 MCO-NAS DEC 1.0>1.4 JAN 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-PSE DEC 1.5>1.4 JAN 1.2>1.4
B6 MCO-SDQ DEC 1.5>1.0
B6 MCO-SJU NOV 5>6 DEC 7>6
B6 PBI-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SDQ NOV 4>5
B6 SJU-STT NOV 0>2 DEC 1.3>2
B6 SJU-STX NOV 0>1.0
B6 SJU-SXM NOV 0.5>1.0
B6 STT-SJU NOV 0>2 DEC 1.3>2
B6 STX-SJU NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0
B6 TPA-SJU DEC 2>1.8

Following is the same year over year comparison for F9.
F9 BWI-PUJ NOV 0>0.3
F9 COS-LAX NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8
F9 COS-PHX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0
F9 CVG-CUN NOV 0>0.1
F9 DCA-MSN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0.4>0.2
F9 DCA-OMA JAN 1.7>0.4
F9 DEN-ABQ NOV 3>2 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 4>0.4
F9 DEN-ATL JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-AUS JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-BIL JAN 1.5>0.3
F9 DEN-BIS NOV 0>0.7 DEC 0>0.7
F9 DEN-BKG NOV 1.1>0.7 JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-BNA NOV 3>1.9 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-BZN JAN 1.4>0.3
F9 DEN-CAK JAN 1.9>0.4
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 3:41 pm

F9 DEN-COS NOV 6>4 DEC 6>4 JAN 6>0.7
F9 DEN-CUN JAN 1.3>0.3
F9 DEN-CZM NOV 0.2>0.1 DEC 0.5>0.2 JAN 0.2>0.0
F9 DEN-DAY JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-DCA JAN 3>0.6
F9 DEN-DFW JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-DRO DEC 3>1.8 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-DSM JAN 1.8>0.4
F9 DEN-DTW NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>0.4
F9 DEN-FLL JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-FSD JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-GEG JAN 1.7>0.4
F9 DEN-GRR JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-HOU NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0
F9 DEN-IAH NOV 0>1.8 DEC 0>1.6
F9 DEN-ICT JAN 2>0.4
F9 DEN-IND JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-LAS JAN 6>1.1
F9 DEN-LAX JAN 6>0.9
F9 DEN-LGA NOV 1.9>3 JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-LIT JAN 0.9>0.2
F9 DEN-MCO JAN 1.5>0.4
F9 DEN-MDW JAN 4>0.6
F9 DEN-MSN NOV 1.2>0.9 JAN 0.9>0.2
F9 DEN-MSP JAN 4>0.7
F9 DEN-MSY JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-OKC NOV 3>1.9 JAN 1.9>0.4
F9 DEN-OMA JAN 4>0.6
F9 DEN-PDX NOV 5>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 5>0.7
F9 DEN-PHF NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8
F9 DEN-PHL JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-PHX DEC 6>5 JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-PSP JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-PVR NOV 1.0>0.8 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-PVU JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-RFD JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-RSW DEC 0.8>0.5 JAN 0.6>0.1
F9 DEN-SAN JAN 4>0.8
F9 DEN-SAT NOV 2>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 DEN-SBA JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-SDF JAN 1.0>0.2
F9 DEN-SEA DEC 5>4 JAN 5>0.7
F9 DEN-SFO JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-SJD NOV 1.0>0.9 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-SJO JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 DEN-SLC JAN 5>0.9
F9 DEN-SMF NOV 3>2 JAN 1.8>0.4
F9 DEN-SNA JAN 4>0.8
F9 DEN-STL JAN 3>0.5
F9 DEN-TPA DEC 1.4>0.9 JAN 1.1>0.2
F9 DEN-TUS NOV 1.4>0.5 DEC 1.5>1.0 JAN 2>0.2
F9 DEN-TYS JAN 0.6>0.1
F9 MCI-AUS DEC 0.7>0 JAN 0.7>0
F9 MCI-BOS NOV 0.9>0 DEC 0.9>0 JAN 0.8>0
F9 MCI-CUN JAN 0.4>0.1
F9 MCI-DCA NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>0.4
F9 MCI-DEN JAN 5>0.8
F9 MCI-LAS NOV 0.9>0.6 DEC 0.8>0.6 JAN 0.9>0.1
F9 MCI-LGA NOV 1.9>0 DEC 1.8>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 MCI-MSY JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 MCO-MSN JAN 0.2>0.1
F9 MCO-OMA DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.5>0.1
F9 MKE-BNA NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-CMH NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-DCA NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 1.9>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN NOV 6>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 4>0.7
F9 MKE-IND NOV 1.6>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.6>0
F9 MKE-LGA NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0
F9 MKE-MCO NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.9>0.5 JAN 1.1>0.1
F9 MKE-OMA NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0
F9 MKE-PIT NOV 1.7>0 DEC 1.7>0
F9 MKE-RHI JAN 1.9>0.3
F9 ORD-MBJ NOV 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PUJ NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.1
F9 ORD-PVR NOV 0>0.1
F9 PHL-CUN NOV 0>0.1
F9 PIT-CUN NOV 0>0.3
F9 PIT-PUJ NOV 0>0.3
F9 STL-CUN NOV 0>0.6 DEC 0>0.2
F9 STL-PUJ NOV 0>0.1

Following is the same year over year comparison for NK.
NK ATL-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK AZA-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK AZA-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK BOS-DFW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK BOS-ORD NOV 1.3>0.2 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0
NK CRW-MYR NOV 0.1>0.0
NK DEN-DFW NOV 0>2 DEC 0>1.8 JAN 0>2
NK DEN-FLL NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0
NK DEN-LAS NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
NK DEN-ORD NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-DTW NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-LGA NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-MCO NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-PDX NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-SAN NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-TLC NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK DFW-TPA NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>1.0
NK DTW-CUN NOV 0.5>0.8
NK DTW-LGA NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK DTW-MCO NOV 1.0>2 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
NK DTW-ORD NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>1.0 JAN 2>1.0
NK DTW-TPA NOV 0.8>1.6 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2
NK FLL-LAS NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK FLL-MDE NOV 0.8>0.7 DEC 0.8>0.7 JAN 0.9>0.7
NK FLL-SJU NOV 2>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 3>1.0
NK FLL-ZSA JAN 0.1>0
NK LAS-LAX NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3
NK LAS-MSP NOV 0>1.0 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK LAS-OAK NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK LAS-ORD NOV 5>3 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2
NK LAS-SAN NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
NK LBE-MCO NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0
NK MCO-ORD NOV 0.7>1.8 DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>2
NK MCO-SJU NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.3>0.6 JAN 1.2>1.0
NK MSP-ORD NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 3:43 pm

Just as a note, on the year over yer comparison for F9, they have not fully loaded their JAN schedule for 2013, so the JAN comparison is not relevant.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 4:19 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.1 AUG 1.0>1.1

XL JFK-GYE JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3. LAN Ecuador will operate the GYE-JFK route 9x weekly during this period.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 4:27 pm

Wow. Just look at how NK is expanding while F9 continues to shrink into oblivion.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 4:28 pm

Quoting azstar (Reply 5):
Wow. Just look at how NK is expanding while F9 continues to shrink into oblivion.

True, quite a different direction...
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 4:56 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1

Wow, Alitalia practically has a monopoly on NYC-Rome in the Winter

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW PHL-MBJ

Not too surprised here


The airlines really seem to be forecasting pretty significant cuts to International capacity during the winter.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 5:30 pm

I noticed F9 is flying a 319 on the LIT-DEN route, that seems like a lot of plane for that flight
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Tue May 22, 2012 5:35 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
BW JFK-KIN JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
BW JFK-MBJ JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3 SEP 1.0>1.1
BW JFK-POS JUL 3>4 AUG 3>4

That is a very impressive schedule to JFK for the tiny airline from Trinidad. They also run a weekly TAB-JFK and twice or three times weekly GND-JFK, making about 9 daily departures from JFK!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BW PHL-MBJ JUL 0.6>0.0 AUG 0.5>0 SEP 0.6>0 OCT 0.5>0 NOV 0.6>0 DEC 0.6>0 JAN 0.5>0

I guess they just couldn't compete against US out of PHL. BW does not command the loyalty of the travelling Jamaican public that JM managed to hold onto for so many years.

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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 6:25 pm

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 8):
I noticed F9 is flying a 319 on the LIT-DEN route, that seems like a lot of plane for that flight

Well, there is an interesting thing going on at F9. They have split the financials of the RJs and the Airbus. Only the Airbus now report as Frontier in their earnings. Before it was anything with the Frontier brand. My guess is that Republic will swap around to only keep things that make money on the E190s. That may seem obvious, but it isn't so obvious. Typically, RJs lose money but provide feed revenue to the mainline. That's why CPAs came into existence. If Republic only flies profitable flights it may mean that the E190s go onto routes that would be better flown with the Airbus because when you squeeze capacity in a high demand route the fare goes up...plus it is virtually impossible to make a profit carrying mostly connecting traffic. That might move E190s to routes like SLC and OMA. I haven't looked to see if that has happened. So, it is possible that F9 got stuck with LIT when RJET passed on it for E190s. It is also possible it just works with an Airbus.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 7:08 pm

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*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0

wow--does this mean there will be no non-stop service anymore? DL dropped this route a while ago as well. I guess CVG doesn't feed the CLE hub at all (probably exclusively to DTW/ATL) and there's not enough O&D on it.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 7:12 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
My guess is that Republic will swap around to only keep things that make money on the E190s.

I'm fairly certain that the idea is to make F9's financials look better for the potential sale. If the E90s aren't making money on a particular route they'll more than likely park them instead of upgauging.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 7:22 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

There was a local newspaper article in Orange County stating this. AS is discontinuing the morning 6:45am SNA-PDX departure. That was often the first flight to push back and wait for the clock to strike 7am so they could take off. AS stated they would give up the slot. That's unfortunate. I was hoping for maybe a SNA-SJC flight, or two with their extra slots.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 7:37 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.
*AS PDX-SNA SEP 4>3 OCT 4>3 NOV 4>3 DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3

My dad said flying into Burbank was easier than flying into SNA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

What equipment is this one flying on?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Another one bites the dust...
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0

You can just imagine how pissed off I am!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0

I'm surprised that this flight existed.
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Tue May 22, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN NOV 6>4 DEC 5>4 JAN 4>0.7
F9 MKE-DCA NOV 3>1.0 DEC 3>1.0 JAN 1.9>0.2
F9 MKE-LGA NOV 3>0 DEC 3>0 JAN 1.9>0

Well there go another 5 more flights from MKE by F9.

Based on the Nov. schedules they'll be down to 4x DEN and 1x DCA but somehow I don't see DCA sticking around at all.
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 8:01 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-EGE DEC 0>1.5 JAN 0>3
AA DFW-HDN JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1
AA LAX-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-EGE JAN 0>1.0
AA MIA-MVD AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.6>1.0 OCT 0.6>1.0 NOV 0.6>1.0 DEC 0.6>1.0

JAN 0.5>1.0
AA ORD-EGE DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.1
AA ORD-HDN JAN 0>0.7

WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!
 
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Tue May 22, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
NK LBE-MCO NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0

The Pittsburgh newspapers are saying that LBE's annual traffic could surpass 200k with NK serving FLL, MYR, and now daily service to MCO. There's talk of expanding the terminal space a little because of NK's expansion. They're running out of room.

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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 8:36 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 16):
WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!

They've been doing this for years in the Winter with 757s. This is nothing new. I vaguely recall that AA once did SFO, LAX and either EWR or JFK from EGE in the winter also.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 14):
My dad said flying into Burbank was easier than flying into SNA.

In what context? If he lives in Glendale then BUR is probably easier than SNA. If he lives in Costa Mesa than SNA is easier. What is it about BUR that he found easier?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Tue May 22, 2012 8:41 pm

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 16):
WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!

That's the seasonal ski market service AA does every year to several points in the Rockies. DEC-APR. It always does well, as long as it snows!
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Tue May 22, 2012 8:53 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.

And every slot vacated seems to be happily picked up by Southwest  
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Wed May 23, 2012 12:13 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1

Seriously, is a once a week service even worth it?m Why not suspend for the winter instead?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL CVG-PHX SEP 0.8>0.1 OCT 0.9>0 NOV 0.8>0 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0

Another major city spoke lost from CVG   Flew PHX-CVG-AMS on several occassions in years past. CVG is a great point of entry into the US with minimal lines...at least that was my experience.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGB-SLC NOV 4>2 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2

Hope that's temporary. I've used that flight a few times, a B6 Airbus with TV versus a DL CR700....no brainer on that one. I just hope B6 can keep the flight going as I can only see one direction for fares if DL get a monopoly
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 12:42 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 20):
Another major city spoke lost from CVG Flew PHX-CVG-AMS on several occassions in years past. CVG is a great point of entry into the US with minimal lines...at least that was my experience.

You're telling me. They cut the AMS flight a long time ago   I've contacted my dad who flies this route for business every month (also to see me) and he always says it's overbooked. I bet any amount of money US will pick this route up. Cincinnatians love this route.
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Wed May 23, 2012 2:43 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
You're telling me. They cut the AMS flight a long time ago I've contacted my dad who flies this route for business every month (also to see me) and he always says it's overbooked. I bet any amount of money US will pick this route up. Cincinnatians love this route.

It is kind of surprising to see CVG-PHX gone. This is probably one of the most significant markets for DL to cut in awhile. That being said, its a longer route that can't be flown with anything less than an A319/A320/738 sized aircraft. There is heavy WN competition in the market from the surrounding airports. Any connecting traffic on DL can easily flow over DTW and ATL (plus even MSP and SLC).
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 3:08 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGB-ORD NOV 1.0>0 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0

Ah man... that sucks.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:00 am

Aa has a revenue guarantee with AA for its ege flights from Vail resorts. They want good access from their important markets. In the 2011-2012 season I don't think delta nor united got anything Vail resorts seems very happy with AA. Delta and UA probably don't need it anyway ege has very high fares and the hub flights to ATL and den fill.

AA was getting a revenue Gurantee last winter also for ase eagle service but I can't remember who was paying it may have been the airport or city. They were afraid united would be the only carrier.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:02 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA JAX-TPA AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3

Is UA trying to take over the route that SW dumped? they used to fly this route for a while, then got dropped then SW dropped it now looks like there going to be the only player in the market this time....It'll definetly work
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:51 am

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
It is kind of surprising to see CVG-PHX gone. This is probably one of the most significant markets for DL to cut in awhile. That being said, its a longer route that can't be flown with anything less than an A319/A320/738 sized aircraft. There is heavy WN competition in the market from the surrounding airports. Any connecting traffic on DL can easily flow over DTW and ATL (plus even MSP and SLC).

As of now, it is back in the schedules starting 14Feb, so it's possible that it may return for the peak spring break/summer seasons or it could be gone permanently and they just didn't remove it from far-off dates.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:56 am

Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
It is also possible it just works with an Airbus.

Perish the thought.  

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Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
It is kind of surprising to see CVG-PHX gone. This is probably one of the most significant markets for DL to cut in awhile. That being said, its a longer route that can't be flown with anything less than an A319/A320/738 sized aircraft. There is heavy WN competition in the market from the surrounding airports. Any connecting traffic on DL can easily flow over DTW and ATL (plus even MSP and SLC).

Here's the problem. I'm tired of driving to IND or SDF. Same with the business travelers I'm familiar with in Cincy. A lot of us don't have the time to travel to different cities to fly, especially with high gas prices.
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Wed May 23, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 17):
In what context? If he lives in Glendale then BUR is probably easier than SNA. If he lives in Costa Mesa than SNA is easier. What is it about BUR that he found easier?

Sorry I didn't see your reply earlier: as a business traveler. First of all when he goes from CVG it's easier to get to BUR for business in Los Angeles. And also when he flies via PHX to visit me in Tempe he flies to BUR from PHX. (IIRC I don't think PHX has many flight selections to SNA anyway)
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Wed May 23, 2012 8:04 am

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 29):

Around 15 nonstops PHX-SNA daily, during the summer, Around 12 daily nonstops PHX-BUR during the summer weekdays.
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Wed May 23, 2012 8:24 am

Quoting BD338 (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA JFK-FCO NOV 0.4>0.1

Seriously, is a once a week service even worth it?m Why not suspend for the winter instead?

It is suspended for the winter. The service ends November 2 (eastbound; Nov 3 westbound). Since it will only operate two days in November, that's how you get the 0.1 frequency for the month of November.

UA's last EWR-FCO for this year will be on November 10, while DL's last JFK-FCO (on DL metal) for this year will be on November 13.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 8:31 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 24):
Aa has a revenue guarantee with AA for its ege flights from Vail resorts. They want good access from their important markets. In the 2011-2012 season I don't think delta nor united got anything Vail resorts seems very happy with AA. Delta and UA probably don't need it anyway ege has very high fares and the hub flights to ATL and den fill.

Vail Resorts does revenue guarantee AA, but the flights self sustain. AA hasn't receieved a dime in ages.

Vail Resorts will revenue guarantee any new route, not just what AA flies, but others haven't been interested. US tried a few years ago and those flights didn't work.
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Wed May 23, 2012 1:32 pm

Quoting mikefrommke (Reply 11):
Quoting enilria (Reply 10):
My guess is that Republic will swap around to only keep things that make money on the E190s.

I'm fairly certain that the idea is to make F9's financials look better for the potential sale. If the E90s aren't making money on a particular route they'll more than likely park them instead of upgauging.

Well, again...I'd say there is a fundamental conflict in this situation. RJ feed is typically not profitable using standard proration. That was true even when fuel prices were more nominal than recently. The solutions are: a) change the proration to give the RJs a disproportionate share but RJET said in their call that they will use industry standard proration (assuming they didn't bend the truth which wouldn't surprise me) and b) give the E190s markets that are "too good" for the plane and really belong on an Airbus. If you look at most of the RJ prorate flying in the USA, most of it is EAS with the exception of the OO/UA deal in ORD which appears to have a non-standard prorate.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

What equipment is this one flying on?

777

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA CLE-CVG AUG 1.5>0 SEP 1.4>0 OCT 1.4>0 NOV 1.5>0 DEC 1.5>0 JAN 1.5>0

I'm surprised that this flight existed.

This was being flown on a DH2 equipment, although it may be related to the PNCL Q400 shift. If these flights are not backfilled (CVG+SBN), they will abrogate the CLE service level agreement because they were already at the bare minimum. OTOH, the agreement was up in October anyway and I'm sure UA qualifies for the service reduction under the published terms.

Quoting crAAzy (Reply 14):
Based on the Nov. schedules they'll be down to 4x DEN and 1x DCA but somehow I don't see DCA sticking around at all.

I actually thought the DCA was already going. MCI-DCA seems kind of out of place now too since MCI has been decimated.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 16):
Exciting times for Arnold Palmer Regional Airport...

I wonder if they celebrated by mixing Lemonade and Iced Tea?

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SNA has been losing a lot of flights lately.

And every slot vacated seems to be happily picked up by Southwest

Have they officially picked up the DL slots dropped last week?

Quoting BD338 (Reply 20):
Another major city spoke lost from CVG   Flew PHX-CVG-AMS on several occassions in years past. CVG is a great point of entry into the US with minimal lines...at least that was my experience.

I presume US is not flying the route? They could and probably should pick it up since there is no WN service.

Quoting BD338 (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 LGB-SLC NOV 4>2 DEC 4>2 JAN 4>2

Hope that's temporary. I've used that flight a few times, a B6 Airbus with TV versus a DL CR700....no brainer on that one. I just hope B6 can keep the flight going as I can only see one direction for fares if DL get a monopoly

I'm sorry, but I have to doubt that was a good route. It was originally there as an employee shuttle of sorts since B6 has had a declining amount of admin employees in SLC since the birth of the company.

Quoting JaxMan19 (Reply 25):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA JAX-TPA AUG 0>1.7 SEP 0>3 OCT 0>3 NOV 0>3 DEC 0>3 JAN 0>3

Is UA trying to take over the route that SW dumped?

It's Gulfstream/Silver Airways, of course.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 27):
Quoting enilria (Reply 9):
It is also possible it just works with an Airbus.

Perish the thought.  

Well, keep in mind that F9 closed LIT when the E170s went away in 2008 saying explicitly that the route could not support mainline. UA had just been flying for a few months in the market when they announced that and now UA is up to 3 RTs on the route. It's hard to imagine it is better now than it was then given that collection of info. So, the two decisions are conflicting.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 5/25/2012: AA/B6/DL/FL/UA

Wed May 23, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 21):
You're telling me. They cut the AMS flight a long time ago I've contacted my dad who flies this route for business every month (also to see me) and he always says it's overbooked. I bet any amount of money US will pick this route up. Cincinnatians love this route.
Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 22):
It is kind of surprising to see CVG-PHX gone. This is probably one of the most significant markets for DL to cut in awhile. That being said, its a longer route that can't be flown with anything less than an A319/A320/738 sized aircraft. There is heavy WN competition in the market from the surrounding airports. Any connecting traffic on DL can easily flow over DTW and ATL (plus even MSP and SLC).

I agree in the logic of US running CVG-PHX, but OTOH, UA only seems able to run 1x daily on RJs (CR7 o/b, and ERJ inbound) to DEN, and surely they must capture a decent amount of what US would to PHX? Granted, those are two different markets with different O&D to CVG, but I'm using DEN as a proxy for CVG-Western US onward connections where those would be the options for travelers not using DL.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 2:59 pm

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WOW! MIA-EGE on a 757? ORD-EGE? DFW-EGE 3x!? AA must have found a Colorado goldmine!

Also, between performance requirements and the amount of baggage (i.e., ski equipment), the 757 is the perfect airplane. The 738 would be hard pressed to take off and get over the mountains as well as the 757.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 3:07 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*BA LAS-LGW NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>0.4

What equipment is this one flying on?

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Wed May 23, 2012 3:24 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 34):
I agree in the logic of US running CVG-PHX, but OTOH, UA only seems able to run 1x daily on RJs (CR7 o/b, and ERJ inbound) to DEN, and surely they must capture a decent amount of what US would to PHX? Granted, those are two different markets with different O&D to CVG, but I'm using DEN as a proxy for CVG-Western US onward connections where those would be the options for travelers not using DL.

Well, as DL cuts routes it opens up more traffic for other carriers and part of the reason not many passengers would fly on UA was because DL "owned" the corporate business with the best schedule. As that declines, so does their hold on the corporate community.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 37):
Well, as DL cuts routes it opens up more traffic for other carriers and part of the reason not many passengers would fly on UA was because DL "owned" the corporate business with the best schedule. As that declines, so does their hold on the corporate community.

Absolutely! I'm just working from the premise that there isn't massive excess demand for those routes - they are probably viable, but I wouldn't expect miracles.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 4:51 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Well, keep in mind that F9 closed LIT when the E170s went away in 2008 saying explicitly that the route could not support mainline. UA had just been flying for a few months in the market when they announced that and now UA is up to 3 RTs on the route. It's hard to imagine it is better now than it was then given that collection of info. So, the two decisions are conflicting.

Well then I'd expect them to drop it in due course.

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Wed May 23, 2012 5:05 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 38):
Absolutely! I'm just working from the premise that there isn't massive excess demand for those routes - they are probably viable, but I wouldn't expect miracles.

The other thing that happened is that as DL gained market share in CVG, they jacked up the fares and people starting escaping to DAY/SDF/CMH in search of low fares. That traffic could return with more reasonable prices.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 39):
Well then I'd expect them to drop it in due course.

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Possibly. It is also possible that the 2008 decision was the wrong one and it was a knee-jerk reaction without giving mainline there a chance. You may be right, however.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 5:21 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-IAD OCT 8>7

Even factoring in the lower desirability of IAD vs. DCA, I'm still a bit surprised this hub-to-hub only has 7-8x daily (esp considering most UA hub-to-hubs are double digits daily).
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 7:21 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 39):
Well then I'd expect them to drop it in due course.

Oh. Well, mayhap.

I'm rather hoping for LIT-MCO, though.  

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Wed May 23, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
I'm rather hoping for LIT-MCO, though.

Well, I don't see WN on it, and with deferral of 73G's and the departure of the 717's, I doubt they'll be adding it anytime soon. That would seem like a great opportunity to jump on, if even less-than-daily. It might also explain keeping mainline in the market versus dropping it entirely.

Faremeasure shows 88 PDEW (I believe that is their measure), distance of 776 miles, and an average fare of $486. To perhaps put to rest the low yield vs high yield nature of some of these routes, it also shows LIT-LGA at 90 PDEW (almost identical), a distance of 1085 miles (300 miles further), and an average fare of $483. So similar fare, similar demand (averaged out anyhow), but 1/3 less distance.

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Wed May 23, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 42):
I'm rather hoping for LIT-MCO, though.

Well, I don't see WN on it, and with deferral of 73G's and the departure of the 717's, I doubt they'll be adding it anytime soon. That would seem like a great opportunity to jump on, if even less-than-daily. It might also explain keeping mainline in the market versus dropping it entirely.

Faremeasure shows 88 PDEW (I believe that is their measure), distance of 776 miles, and an average fare of $486. To perhaps put to rest the low yield vs high yield nature of some of these routes, it also shows LIT-LGA at 90 PDEW (almost identical), a distance of 1085 miles (300 miles further), and an average fare of $483. So similar fare, similar demand (averaged out anyhow), but 1/3 less distance.

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Wed May 23, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
Have they officially picked up the DL slots dropped last week?

Next formal reassignment is not till September/October'ish to be effective Jan 1, 2013.

In the interim unused slots revert to the County which either sit on them, or temporarily allow someone to use them. SWA does gain 2 slots next month, but I'm not certain about their pedigree.
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Wed May 23, 2012 9:26 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 43):
Well, I don't see WN on it, and with deferral of 73G's and the departure of the 717's, I doubt they'll be adding it anytime soon. That would seem like a great opportunity to jump on, if even less-than-daily. It might also explain keeping mainline in the market versus dropping it entirely.

Well, again - mayhap.

I wasn't being entirely serious - not a lot of point here - I was just playing armchair route planner.

There are several Frontier routes to MCO I'd like to see but they're starting the one I like most, so everything else is just the icing.

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Wed May 23, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 34):

I agree in the logic of US running CVG-PHX, but OTOH, UA only seems able to run 1x daily on RJs (CR7 o/b, and ERJ inbound) to DEN, and surely they must capture a decent amount of what US would to PHX?

It's a CRJ. If US can offer a better product other than a regional jet, then I'm almost certain Cincy fliers would want that.
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:28 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 47):
It's a CRJ. If US can offer a better product other than a regional jet, then I'm almost certain Cincy fliers would want that.

I stand corrected - so now it's a CR7 eastbound too. Last time I had looked it was CR7s out and a 145 on the return. I don't remember the 2x daily either but that's a nice touch.

One thing I will be interested to see broadly at CVG is what happens with PHX, DEN, LAX, and SFO as DL continues the drawdown--will the other carriers step in? I'd bet LAX is pretty safe at some level on DL, so I don't see AA contesting that for now, but I could see either DEN or SFO dropping eventually, and that would be an obvious opening for UA to increase (DEN) or begin a new route (SFO). I intentionally left the LCC's out for now, but that would obviously be a wild card here.
 
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Wed May 23, 2012 11:46 pm

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):

Let me put in my 2 cents here based on the airports you posted:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):
PHX

I can see in the long-run US Airways coming to CVG from here, however, it would take a huge amount of prodding from the business community both here and in Phoenix. I don't think people in Phoenix want to go to Cincinnati (except for me, when I'm flying back to visit family.)

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):
DEN

I don't know how this route can operate chiefly on an RJ. I didn't think an RJ could make it that far to Denver. I see it being upgraded in the future to some sort of mainliner, but that's in the far future.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):
LAX

DL would probably never get rid of this route, IMO.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):
SFO

DL may shed this route but if they do, UA would step in and replace it. It's always overbooked and full, according to my dad, who flies this one about 3 times a month.

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 48):
I intentionally left the LCC's out for now, but that would obviously be a wild card here.

F9 is operating Apple Vacation's route to Cancun these days since USA3000 fell away. I think that F9 could add a flight from CVG to DEN if DL drops out of that route.
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