shilenb
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BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 11:13 am

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/0...uk-iag-japan-idUKBRE84O0DZ20120525

Excellent news for JL who have emerged from bankrupcy and good news for BA who are struggling with their fuel costs.

As this joint venture is going to start March 2013 could we see route such as LHR-KIX being operated within this venture using the slots from BD? I guess we have to wait until BD has been fully integrated into BA.
 
Talaier
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 11:41 am

Its actually a JV between IAG and BA. Remember BA as a company doesn´t exist anymore. With this agreement I see a lot of potential for Spain-Japan direct flights operated with the 787.

In terms of flights to London, my bet is on JL flying its own metal rather than the other way around.
 
jfk777
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 11:57 am

Will JAL be moving from terminal 3 to BA's new Terminal 5 ? It should be, one JAL 777-300ER a day will not take up much space.
 
vv701
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting Talaier (Reply 1):
Remember BA as a company doesn´t exist anymore.

BA is a subsidiary company of International Consolidated Airlines Group.

And this new ATI agreement does not cover all of IAG but is just covers BA and JL operations. Here is what the report actually says:

"IAG, formed by the merger of BA and Iberia, on Friday said the Japanese Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism (MLIT) had formally approved Japan Airlines' application seeking anti-trust immunity to co-operate on flights with British Airways (BA)."

If you are interested in the corporate structure of IAG look at Chart 63 here:

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_.../01_ID_2010_Full_presentations.pdf

Note that in this chart IAG has 100 per cent economic control of both BA and IB. However what is described in the chart as the "UK NCC" and the "Spanish NCC", both of which are local companies not owned by IAG, have 50.1 per cent operational control of BA and IB respectively.

IAG corporate structure is necessarily as complex as this as BA has to be in some way British owned and IB Spanish owned for both of them to continue to operate flights authorised by bilateral air service agreements signed respectively by the British and Spanish governments.

Existing bilateral agreements nearly always specify that the routes covered by the agreement can only be operated by airlines from the two countries whose governments are signatories to that agreement. An individual agreement may also limit both the number of airlines and the number of flights that they can operate.

For example there is no Air Service Agreement between the EU and the Singapore Government or with the government of the Russian Federation. So BA would not be allowed to operate to Singapore and neither BA or IB could operate to Moscow if they were not operationally separate, locally owned subsidiary companies of IAG. Similarly the 1995 Joint Services Agreement between BA and QF on the Kangaroo route between Europe and Australia would no longer be valid.
 
shilenb
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 2:38 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will JAL be moving from terminal 3 to BA's new Terminal 5 ? It should be, one JAL 777-300ER a day will not take up much space.

I cant see JAL moving from T3 to T5. BA has joint services agreement with QF and they only have 2 aircraft a day at LHR now and still operate from T3. T3 will remain for Oneworld members
 
brilondon
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 2):
Will JAL be moving from terminal 3 to BA's new Terminal 5 ? It should be, one JAL 777-300ER a day will not take up much space.

That is why JAL will be staying at T3. BA is the only airline at T5 and it is going to be for the foreseeable future.
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mutu
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 7:10 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 5):
That is why JAL will be staying at T3. BA is the only airline at T5 and it is going to be for the foreseeable future.

with the exception of IB of course.......
 
LHRFlyer
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 7:35 pm

JAL moving into T5 is a possibility. An offer was made by BA to allow JAL into T5 when Oneworld offered JAL a package of measures when it was considering leaving Oneworld for SkyTeam.
 
smoot4208
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Fri May 25, 2012 7:59 pm

Quoting shilenb (Thread starter):
As this joint venture is going to start March 2013 could we see route such as LHR-KIX being operated within this venture using the slots from BD?

I could see both LHR-NGO and LHR-KIX coming back
 
tonystan
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RE: BA-Japan Airlines Joint Business Cleared

Sat May 26, 2012 8:14 am

There was talk with in BA less then a year ago that JAL would indeed move to T5!
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