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SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 7:24 pm

Hello All:

Those of you around JFK will get a rare treat, SWA
7407 should be arriving into JFK as a charter flight within the hour.
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 7:30 pm

Nasty weather in the area, maybe it'll divert to EWR, lol.   

Who they flying?
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 7:50 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWA7047

Military Charter I would assume.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 7:54 pm

Yuck!!! I like that JFK is a WN-free airport. As fxramper said, hopefully it will divert to EWR.
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 8:03 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 3):
Yuck!!! I like that JFK is a WN-free airport. As fxramper said, hopefully it will divert to EWR.

Mhmmm, sure you do.  
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 8:49 pm

Anyone get any pictures of this? I don't think a WN 737 has visited JFK since 1996..
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 9:35 pm

Wonder if its for Memorial Day and Fleet Week. Lots doing here in NYC. Of course it could just be a regular military charter but WN into JFK is odd. I mean they have personal at EWR and LGA... why fly into JFK???
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sat May 26, 2012 9:43 pm

Does the airport hold a batch of slots for one time charters and misc flights?

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 4):
Mhmmm, sure you do.

Oh trust me. I do.
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 6:07 am

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 3):




I just don't understand that comment? I will tell you, I have worked for WN as a mech. since 2000, I also worked for repair stations for the previous 10 years, and before that I spent 10 years working for the United States Marine Corps working F4's and F-18s.

Now how long have you been in the Aviation business? Is this your career (it is mine) or is it just a ways to a means. As you can see with me it is a career, I think 30 years of aviation maintenance makes it a career.

Where are you in the scheme of things?

I am not trying to be rude, just trying to put things in perspective. 30 years v ?.

I do not and never have slammed other airlines. Look back through my posts. Do I think they are all great? Absolutely not. Is this the place to say so. Not in my opinion. Tell the truth and abide by the golden rule. Later.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 8):

I sensed a bit of sarcasm in his comment, but maybe that's just me.

Either way, time spent in a career is fairly irrelevant to his opinion on your (or any) airline. You certainly have a right to defend it should you choose to do so, but in the case of a sarcastic and otherwise opinionated comment, I'm not sure what there is to defend.

I'm not trying to get in the middle of anything here, merely trying to defend humorous and/or opinionated comments in this forum, as the aviation industry is my career  


Back on topic, I'm not sure this is as surprising or noteworthy as it may have been a few years ago...as in, before WN abandoned its long-standing policy of avoiding the black hole that is NYC airspace. Still interesting, nonetheless. There will be some very confused faces at JFK.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 7:00 am

OK. well that explains the blue belly 737 that flew over my house earlier today. It looked like it was Southwest but when I noticed it was flying to JFK I thought that it was either a diversion or something else that wasn't Southwest. Any unusual visitors to JFK is always a welcomed sight. I still haven't got use to the sight of SWA flying into LGA.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 7:19 am

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 8):

There are numerous threads bashing AA, UA, etc. without care, but people get so defensive when WN gets some negativity. Not everyone is going to like your airline.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 8:33 am

Is the aircraft still at JFK, or has it been flown out of there? Because it was a military charter, did it taxi to a gate or were the passengers disembarked at a private ramp?
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 10:30 am

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 12):
Is the aircraft still at JFK, or has it been flown out of there?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...7/history/20120526/2100Z/KJFK/KDAL
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 1:34 pm

WN can look at B6 T5 and think about the biggest mistake that airline has made to date: choosing ISP over JFK. That could be all theirs right now...B6 wouldn't even exist as we know it.

That said, good to see them at JFK. It's a shame they don't start service to a few of their "hubs" from Kennedy.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
WN can look at B6 T5 and think about the biggest mistake that airline has made to date: choosing ISP over JFK. That could be all theirs right now...B6 wouldn't even exist as we know it.

That said, good to see them at JFK. It's a shame they don't start service to a few of their "hubs" from Kennedy.

As the old saying goes........"you snooze you lose." Besides, JFK is slot restricted and wouldn't accept any other carriers unless they fly off peak...... Personally speaking B6 would crush SWA if they tried to enter JFK....... B6 much better product.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 15):
Personally speaking B6 would crush SWA if they tried to enter JFK....... B6 much better product.

Unless, of course, you want to get to Spokane, Boise, Ontario, Orange County, Albuquerque, El Paso, Amarillo, Midland/Odessa, Lubbock, Harlingen, Corpus Christi, Omaha, Oklahoma CIty, Tulsa, Little Rock, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Columbus, Louisville, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Atlanta, Panama City, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleson, Norfolk...

 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 15):
Personally speaking B6 would crush SWA if they tried to enter JFK....... B6 much better product.

Not really...with JFK existing as its hub, history has seen bad weather shut down ops, thus creating a level of unreliabitiy, at best, late departures/ arrivals while on the other hand WN has NY options and contiues to grind through the bad weather...on time.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 4:00 pm

...it was a military charter? Why not fly into EWR where they have ground handling?

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 8):

Take a chill pill. Everyone can have an opinion or offer sarcasm on the site from time to time. Just cause I post on this site how inconsistent United is and how much I hate their operation at DEN is doesn't mean I won't fly the airline or defend it when necessary.  
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 4:40 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 15):

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
WN can look at B6 T5 and think about the biggest mistake that airline has made to date: choosing ISP over JFK. That could be all theirs right now...B6 wouldn't even exist as we know it.

That said, good to see them at JFK. It's a shame they don't start service to a few of their "hubs" from Kennedy.

As the old saying goes........"you snooze you lose." Besides, JFK is slot restricted and wouldn't accept any other carriers unless they fly off peak...... Personally speaking B6 would crush SWA if they tried to enter JFK....... B6 much better product.

Another saying, hindsight is always 20/20 vision. The airline environment was totally different in 1999 as it is today! Back then, you had the legacies and then SWA which was the LCC! Jetblue didn't exist and Airtran was tiny! Our philosophy was secondary airport, savings, increased traffic! Today the environment is different, thats why you see us in NYC, BOS, DCA, (soon). Based on what's happened, if SWA management had a crystal ball, yes, they would have opted for JFK. However in 40 years the company has made more hits than misses; this is one of those misses!
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 4:48 pm

Quoting skycub (Reply 16):
Unless, of course, you want to get to Spokane, Boise, Ontario, Orange County, Albuquerque, El Paso, Amarillo, Midland/Odessa, Lubbock, Harlingen, Corpus Christi, Omaha, Oklahoma CIty, Tulsa, Little Rock, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Columbus, Louisville, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Atlanta, Panama City, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleson, Norfolk...

isn't that the routing you take to get to Norfolk from Spokane?
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 6:42 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
Quoting skycub (Reply 16):
Unless, of course, you want to get to Spokane, Boise, Ontario, Orange County, Albuquerque, El Paso, Amarillo, Midland/Odessa, Lubbock, Harlingen, Corpus Christi, Omaha, Oklahoma CIty, Tulsa, Little Rock, Saint Louis, Kansas City, Minneapolis/Saint Paul, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, Cleveland, Columbus, Louisville, Nashville, Birmingham, Jackson, Atlanta, Panama City, Greenville/Spartanburg, Charleson, Norfolk...

isn't that the routing you take to get to Norfolk from Spokane?

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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 7:40 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
That said, good to see them at JFK. It's a shame they don't start service to a few of their "hubs" from Kennedy.

I think WN will start up JFK soon. Like you said, 10-15 flts to MDW, LAS, PHX, MCO, HOU, LAX, etc... I can definitely see it happening.
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Sun May 27, 2012 8:52 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 20):
isn't that the routing you take to get to Norfolk from Spokane?

  Hilarious.

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 15):
B6 much better product.

I've flown B6 before. They're a good airline. Not sure I'd say they have a better product though. It's Southwest with a TV, blue potato chips and no elite program.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 7:09 am

I don't think that you will see SWA coming to JFK. with the slots that SWA is getting from AirTran at LGA, service to EWR and ISP, they already will have what they need to serve the NY area. I don't see them leaving ISP. I recently used them between ISP and FLL round trip, and both flights were completely booked. Granted, it was a holiday weekend, but that was the most crowded I have ever seen ISP get. Many folks out on Long Island will not treck to JFK or LGA to fly. Many of them fly to Florida which is served well by SWA at ISP. It would be nice to see them at JFK someday, but it probably won't happen anytime soon.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 8:50 am

Any chance WN could enter the JFK market by trading some slots with DL as part of the 717 deal? Or is DL, because of its hub status at JFK, unlikely to give up any of its spots? I suppose an international airline wanting to expand service to EWR could trade slots with WN, though I recognize that this is unlikely.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 1:34 pm

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 14):
WN can look at B6 T5 and think about the biggest mistake that airline has made to date: choosing ISP over JFK. That could be all theirs right now...B6 wouldn't even exist as we know it.

WN probably wouldn't fly Carribean or transcons so wouldn't like B6 at JFK.

Even for Florida service, the IFE approach (such as no in flight TV, but FAs singing as entertainment) may not have appealed to NYers to get serious traction. Along with Florida, Maybe WN would have been able to pull off the domestic side that B6 handles with some short haul flights to Pittsburgh, Raleigh, upstate NY and Ohio, but it could have failed like PHL at a certain point b/c of competition from legacies. Or, WN would change approach and route through BWI, leaving a not so large JFK presence anyways.
 
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Mon May 28, 2012 4:04 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 26):
Any chance WN could enter the JFK market by trading some slots with DL as part of the 717 deal? Or is DL, because of its hub status at JFK, unlikely to give up any of its spots? I suppose an international airline wanting to expand service to EWR could trade slots with WN, though I recognize that this is unlikely.

Actually, I believe DL is expanding LGA so they will move most of their domestic flights out of JFK and concentrate soley international out of JFK...... perhaps SWA might get a shot ........ One never knows. I think competition is always good.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 5:00 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 27):
Actually, I believe DL is expanding LGA so they will move most of their domestic flights out of JFK and concentrate soley international out of JFK...... perhaps SWA might get a shot ........ One never knows. I think competition is always good.

Well, they've got to have SOME domestic feed for the international operation at JFK, don't they?  
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 8:51 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 28):
Well, they've got to have SOME domestic feed for the international operation at JFK, don't they?

I am sure they will keep some, however not as much frequency as they do now....... who knows, in this industry anything can happen.
 
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RE: SWA @ JFK

Mon May 28, 2012 9:22 pm

Quoting JBfan1 (Reply 29):
I am sure they will keep some, however not as much frequency as they do now....... who knows, in this industry anything can happen.

I don't think DL's international ops at JFK could survived on O&D alone, do you?


It would be just another PanAm operation, in that case.
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