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United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 2:23 pm

Hey,

UA used to fly from CLT to DEN some years ago

Could anyone see UA star service form CLT to LAX,SFO or DEN on a A319

I understand us airways is on the route but...
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 4:03 pm

If US leaves the Star Alliance, then maybe UA will try CLT-DEN...
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 5:15 pm

Doubt it! If US leaves the Star alliance I would doubt it eve more.

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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 5:39 pm

US has these routes covered. UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 5:54 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3):
It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.
Quoting southwest737500 (Thread starter):
I understand us airways is on the route but...

I think the OP was referring to what UA may want to do if US and AA combine and go to OW. I am guessing that we would not see non-stop flying from DEN or SFO but rather a connection from IAH, ORD, IAD or EWR (I think that all of these have service to CLT currently?)

All of those Dividend Miles customers in CLT would be rolled over to OW and UA would have no customer base to work with in CLT which as noted in a previous post makes the prospect of UA serving CLT from the west very unlikely....it would be a tough market to break into.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3):
US has these routes covered. UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.

Why should UA fear for taking away US cutomers? Even though they are in Star, they both operate independently, there is no profit sharing or JV between UA and US.
Will UA start routes from CLT? Probably not and that is because US is very strong and well entrenched in CLT. It is more of UA sustaining the routes and being profitable with CLT given the US presence rather than the fear of taking away US customers.
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 3):
UA would not want to start service for fear of taking away US's customers. It makes no sense for them to compete as they are both Star Alliance carriers.

See below. US and UA actually have to compete in some form on these routes. Any sign of "cooperation" is actually an antitrust violation.

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 5):
Why should UA fear for taking away US cutomers? Even though they are in Star, they both operate independently, there is no profit sharing or JV between UA and US.
Will UA start routes from CLT? Probably not and that is because US is very strong and well entrenched in CLT. It is more of UA sustaining the routes and being profitable with CLT given the US presence rather than the fear of taking away US customers.
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 8:17 pm

True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason. I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected. Also, even if AA and US joined, they would still be very weak to Asia and UA would likely be able to capture some CLT pax through SFO to Asia...
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 8:37 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 8):
I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected.

If WN starts CLT-DEN, then it might be competition by three carriers on CLT-DEN which seems a bit much for the markets that aren't that close or that big. Maybe UA would just route it's DEN base pax via ORD or IAD

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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Sun May 27, 2012 9:24 pm

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 10):
Maybe UA would just route it's DEN base pax via ORD or IAD

That makes the most sense to me....it is less risky and if the traffic warrants, aircraft out of IAD, IAH or ORD can be upgauged. I see this as the most prudent step before a new non-stop is added.

Quoting United787 (Reply 8):
True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason. I think UA would eventually start DEN and maybe even SFO because they have a customer base in those cities that may benefit from being directly connected. Also, even if AA and US joined, they would still be very weak to Asia and UA would likely be able to capture some CLT pax through SFO to Asia...

I see where you are coming from....its a trade-off but all can be resolved with a single connection in the interim.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Mon May 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
True, UA would have no customer base at CLT if US left Star but US would also have no customer base at DEN and SFO for the same reason.

If US left STAR, UA would more than likely have SFO-CLT service due to Wells Fargo & Bank of America traffic between the two Cities. It's too big of a banking market to be left to US/AA. It may be only one or two flights, but I doubt if UA would give all of the traffic to US.
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Mon May 28, 2012 6:37 pm

I've noticed, if anything UA cutting back on mainline out of CLT since the merger and leaving US to do a lot of the backfill to UA's hub cities. For instance CLT-EWR gets some UAEX but a ton of US mainline including several daily 321s. Look at the seasonal daily 320 from PHL to LAX on UA metal. They are clearly trying to maximize their relationship with US.

IIRC, ORD still gets 320s. If US leaves star then I'm sure we'll see CLT-DEN/SFO as CLT is still a UA mainline station.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Mon May 28, 2012 8:48 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 11):
They are clearly trying to maximize their relationship with US

What relationship does UA have with US other than the Star connection?
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 12:00 am

Quoting CV880 (Reply 10):
UA would more than likely have SFO-CLT service due to Wells Fargo & Bank of America traffic between the two Cities

That was my first thought.

Although I'm guessing that BoA have corporate contracts with US due to presence in CLT, surely Wells Fargo would default to UA?

I imagine that CLT-SFO could be quick a profitable route for US with all that banking traffic.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 1:05 am

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
imagine that CLT-SFO could be quick a profitable route for US with all that banking traffic.

It must be considering US is going to fly 5x A321 CLT-SFO this summer.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 1:27 pm

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 12):

Extensive codeshare agreements. When you go on United.com you can book most USAir flights as well.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 14):

I think if anything CLT-SFO on UA metal will be soon enough. That's a pretty big hole in the network from SFO, and they just got RDU.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 1:37 pm

I know this may be a tad off topic, but at LAX UA avoids flying to Delta's strongest hubs of DTW,MSP and ATL. I am guessing that since DL at LAX has a strong enough frequent flyer base that they are hard to compete with the hub to hub markets.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 3:01 pm

Quoting Coairman (Reply 16):

True. It's been over 10 years since UA has flown LAX-ATL. Wish they'd bring this one back.
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 3:11 pm

Quoting tommy767 (Reply 17):
True. It's been over 10 years since UA has flown LAX-ATL. Wish they'd bring this one back.

But then again, UA's hub at LAX is only a half-hearted effort. Another downside of everyone hubbing at LAX - rock bottom fares on popular routes, but no one reaching critical mass to offer services to secondary cities.
 
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RE: United CLT Possible Routes To The West

Tue May 29, 2012 3:56 pm

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 18):

UA at LAX is definitely not half-assed. They have a pretty robust feeder network provided by Skywest and have mainline to quite a few cities.

I take my comment back actually. I think UA needs to start flying SFO-ATL before LAX-ATL.
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